Kicking em when they are down...

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For the second time in 2010 a major scandal involving our athletes has broken. For the second time, some posters on this site have shown their true colors by exulting in the misfortune our team, coaches and fans experienced. Some have tried to moderate their tone later, but the initial glee is plain to see. It is wrong to kick someone when they are down, whether it is a coach or a fan base.

I thought it should get its own thread, because there still seemed to be some debate in the massive thread, but does anyone want to defend kicking someone who is down?

To everyone who thinks stomping someone on the ground is okay, you are an idiot and a coward. I have only been stomped once and it sucked, but I have also been filled with rage at friends who kicked someone when they are down. It is a complete coward move. If someone just tore your shirt and punched your face, you can kick them after you knock them down but that is when your friends pull you off as you try to keep kicking and punching. When you sat and watched the fight and try to get your kicks in at the end, you are the lowest type of scum.

One other point I do not see being made clearly enough is that bouncers have their hands full with UT football players, and that makes them less excited to see them. Albert Haynesworth would be welcomed to any crappy bar on the strip with opened arms and hopes for $$$, but for kids who are still in college it is a massive headache for the bouncers with no upside.

Years ago at UT when I was there fights on the strip happened out back a good bit. They did not happen in the front generally, but many a sorority girl shed tears pleading with her drunk bed buddy to put his hackles down after words escalated to shoves but before anyone went to the hospital. When two guys who are drunk and weigh 180 go at each other with wild looping haymakers that glance off the ears, steam is let off and maybe one guy ends up with a busted lip and everyone laughs about it the next day. When someone who can literally break every bone in your face with one punch (like Turk McBride) heads over to fight someone, bouncers do try to intervene because they do not want anyone to die.

It sucks and seems unfair that a lippy loser will have some guys intervene to save him just because the guy he is mouthing off to is a giant, but it is a fact. The reaction should be proportionate to the action. If Kimbo Slice or Brock Lesnar wants to fight a UT football player, get your bar stool up and swing it with all your might. If a guy is a lot smaller than you and is drunk and thinks he is Superman and you stole Lois Lane, get him out of your face and let the bouncers take him out by his neck.

Fighting is instinct, and honestly I cannot fault the guy who was initially hit (if those reports are true) for anything he did. Every single person however who kicked people while they were down who was part of the group acted like a criminal coward and piece of human excrement.
 
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I agree that kicking someone while they are down is not good...but I am glad that DD is not going nuts and just getting rid of people on a knee jerk reaction

also, I haven't seen a ton of people on here saying that kicking someone while they are done is a good thing
 
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Mhf why? Why would you admit to being stomped when you were down? Hilarity will ensue..... (Excuse the cliche).
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I like DD's discipline but I would say knee jerk is pretty much the opposite of his approach. He is very methodical. Myles knew he was gone last night way before Dooley had his vacation interrupted.

Janzen Jackson displayed intelligence that Morley never had when he got out of there...
 
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A properly trained bouncer doesn't fight anyone. A properly trained bouncer knows how to subdue anyone of any size in under 15 seconds. A small town like Kville with low-rent establishments like BAR Knoxville only hires roid rage freaks who have no training and only add fuel to the fire.
 
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Mhf why? Why would you admit to being stomped when you were down? Hilarity will ensue..... (Excuse the cliche).
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PCB, 6 on 2. I was just trying to keep the guy I was with from getting stomped, then 4 of them turned on me. It was kind of like Karate Kid without the boombox. I probably was only down for 30 seconds trying to cover kidneys and face, but it felt like much longer. They ran when 3 of our friends got there.

I think people who kick others who are on the ground are some of the lowest around. Years later I tackled a friend and was pulled off of him after he kicked someone who was down during a softball game fight. I had a similar argument with guys I was friends with on the strip and at private parties.

They said 14 on 2 was fine because they were brothers. I said they were cowards if they fought like that. You do not gang up on someone....
 
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What? This is a dumb thread and is confusing because of the double meaning - the cop's brother even said Myles kicked him like once or twice then stopped after he realized what he was doing and that he was unconscious - it's only natural to do for a few seconds with all the adrenaline pumping during a fight. It's hilarious though they people act like we had 10 players curb stomping the man and kicking the **** out of him for like 3 minutes straight.
 
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PCB, 6 on 2. I was just trying to keep the guy I was with from getting stomped, then 4 of them turned on me. It was kind of like Karate Kid without the boombox. I probably was only down for 30 seconds trying to cover kidneys and face, but it felt like much longer. They ran when 3 of our friends got there.

I think people who kick others who are on the ground are some of the lowest around. Years later I tackled a friend and was pulled off of him after he kicked someone who was down during a softball game fight. I had a similar argument with guys I was friends with on the strip and at private parties.

They said 14 on 2 was fine because they were brothers. I said they were cowards if they fought like that. You do not gang up on someone....

:clapping: lol man i have to give you props for takin kicks for ur friend. he better have thanked u big time for it tho...

i might give u a private message one day if i'm gonna throw down vs 6 guys so if they start to beat me down too bad i'll have u to do the heroic dive on me so i won't get my head kicked in hahaha :thumbsup:
 
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For the second time in 2010 a major scandal involving our athletes has broken. For the second time, some posters on this site have shown their true colors by exulting in the misfortune our team, coaches and fans experienced. Some have tried to moderate their tone later, but the initial glee is plain to see. It is wrong to kick someone when they are down, whether it is a coach or a fan base.

I thought it should get its own thread, because there still seemed to be some debate in the massive thread, but does anyone want to defend kicking someone who is down?

To everyone who thinks stomping someone on the ground is okay, you are an idiot and a coward. I have only been stomped once and it sucked, but I have also been filled with rage at friends who kicked someone when they are down. It is a complete coward move. If someone just tore your shirt and punched your face, you can kick them after you knock them down but that is when your friends pull you off as you try to keep kicking and punching. When you sat and watched the fight and try to get your kicks in at the end, you are the lowest type of scum.

One other point I do not see being made clearly enough is that bouncers have their hands full with UT football players, and that makes them less excited to see them. Albert Haynesworth would be welcomed to any crappy bar on the strip with opened arms and hopes for $$$, but for kids who are still in college it is a massive headache for the bouncers with no upside.

Years ago at UT when I was there fights on the strip happened out back a good bit. They did not happen in the front generally, but many a sorority girl shed tears pleading with her drunk bed buddy to put his hackles down after words escalated to shoves but before anyone went to the hospital. When two guys who are drunk and weigh 180 go at each other with wild looping haymakers that glance off the ears, steam is let off and maybe one guy ends up with a busted lip and everyone laughs about it the next day. When someone who can literally break every bone in your face with one punch (like Turk McBride) heads over to fight someone, bouncers do try to intervene because they do not want anyone to die.

It sucks and seems unfair that a lippy loser will have some guys intervene to save him just because the guy he is mouthing off to is a giant, but it is a fact. The reaction should be proportionate to the action. If Kimbo Slice or Brock Lesnar wants to fight a UT football player, get your bar stool up and swing it with all your might. If a guy is a lot smaller than you and is drunk and thinks he is Superman and you stole Lois Lane, get him out of your face and let the bouncers take him out by his neck.

Fighting is instinct, and honestly I cannot fault the guy who was initially hit (if those reports are true) for anything he did. Every single person however who kicked people while they were down who was part of the group acted like a criminal coward and piece of human excrement.




Don't these two paragraphs contradict each other? On one hand you say if a guy is smaller let the bouncers handle it, on the other you say fighting is instinct and that kind of reaction is expected, apparently if the aggressor is bigger or smaller.

There are no rules in fighting, from what I have read, the players didn't start it, it did go to far too far but thats part of it. Everyone involved has made their bed and now must lay in it. I mean from those dumb azz owners to the players to the others involved. The guys should have known too squash the situation and leave. What were the bouncers involvement in this?
 
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A properly trained bouncer doesn't fight anyone. A properly trained bouncer knows how to subdue anyone of any size in under 15 seconds. A small town like Kville with low-rent establishments like BAR Knoxville only hires roid rage freaks who have no training and only add fuel to the fire.

this 1000% as it is in many college towns!! They do nothing but aggitate the situation!!

As for the kicking a down person, yes it's bad, but in a fit of rage, many people cannot rationally think and their animalistic instincts take over, fight or flight. Chances are the kicking was not done intentionally, but just in a fit of rage, atleast I hope.
 
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