Keller Chryst the favorite to win starting job, per sportsbook

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k-town_king said:
He knows Helton's offense? How? Helton has never ran an offense. JG and McBride both have more time in the offense.
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Well schools do have players study playbooks.... I'm no genius but I would assume a guy who played and attended Stanford has the mental capacity to grasp a playbook.....
 
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k-town_king said:
Helton has never ran an offense. So just because Chryst ran a ps and played against Helton's USC team, it doesn't mean he "knows his offense."

The actual, true Helton offense that we will run has been in place since the spring. JG and McBride are the only qbs to practice running the actual Helton offense. They both know it better than Chryst.

That is one major reason I think JG starts. Its hard for a qb to show up in the summer and be the starter.
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Also, again I'm no genius but I would assume in 7v7s you run some of those said plays.... So I am sure Chryst has learned those as well... But again I am not a genius.

Edit: Also I am going to take Greazys word from Brandon that Chryst already knows the plays and has been throwing extremely well.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Well schools do have players study playbooks.... I'm no genius but I would assume a guy who played and attended Stanford has the mental capacity to grasp a playbook.....
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Also, again I'm no genius but I would assume in 7v7s you run some of those said plays.... So I am sure Chryst has learned those as well... But again I am not a genius.

Edit: Also I am going to take Greazys word from Brandon that Chryst already knows the plays and has been throwing extremely well.
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:crazy: There is a difference between saying Chryst can't grasp the offense or hasn't been studying it versus stating the fact that the other qbs have studied it more and actually practiced running the offense.

The fact is McBride and JG have more experience in Helton's offense.
 
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k-town_king said:
:crazy: There is a difference between saying Chryst can't grasp the offense or hasn't been studying it versus stating the fact that the other qbs have studied it more and actually practiced running the offense.

The fact is McBride and JG have more experience in Helton's offense.
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First off you said Helton doesn't have an Offense.... So.... Second off if one grasps the playbook it usually means one knows the offense. Third off you obviously forgot Chryst came for multiple visits during the Spring. Fourth off sometimes I think you just say stuff because you don't like any other QB other than JG. Fifth off... Nay nevermind those prove my point.
 
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The more I think about it, the more I think that Chryst is an insurance policy. In case JG or one of the other kids are just horrible, Helton will have a guy that he’s familiar with on the roster as a go-to guy. Plus it will light a fire under our current QB roster to get their chit’ together and study the play book and take it seriously.

I think JG is a gritty kid. I do. That Alabama game last year, he straight squared up, looked down field and let a pass fly while about 3 Bama linebackers absolutely destroyed his soul and knocked his helmet off and his body into next week. Then got up. I respect that. But I’m middle of the road on JG. I think he’s got a lot of potential, but I think he’s a bit too arrogant at the same time. I’m not any particular QBs fan tho, I want the best dude out there slinging the pig for us. Period. I really do think Pruitt will keep this QB battle fair. He’s going to bring in everyone he can and let them go at it. Whoever is best will start. That’s the first time in 10 years I’ve felt that way too. Feels good.
 
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It’s going to be great when this thread goes to 50 pages, VN divides into Team Chryst vs Team JG, we all put our stats and opinions and expertise together to have an all-out debate, and JT Shrout ends up starting game 1.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
It’s going to be great when this thread goes to 50 pages, VN divides into Team Chryst vs Team JG, we all put our stats and opinions and expertise together to have an all-out debate, and JT Shrout ends up starting game 1.
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I for one have no preference. I just want someone to emerge as a capable sec QB.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Very few players on the team have shown themselves to be SEC anything. That's why we have a new coaching staff.
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They were all highly touted players. Butch couldn't develope players. I would say Dobbs and barnet were about the only players to show improvement in leaps and bounds over the jones years. Jg doesnt look like he has the dual threat he was touted as having. Maybe he just played scared but he really only went for dump off passes. Butch jones did not hold the ol or the dl with much priority. He had some of the worst position coaches there.
 
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Really, what does it take for some of you to realize talent? Did you watch the orange and white game? Did you not see how Helton's system fits JG much better? You want to have an agenda based off a terrible Oline last year that was riddled with injuries and give the kid grief who's doing something you could only dream of doing?

I was fortunate to have played college ball and i enjoy it tremendously but I know talent when I see it. JG grew leaps and bounds from last year with this staff and if you didn't see it in the O&W game you either have an agenda against the kid or you know nothing about football. For the most part I would question most members knowledge of football having played or played against great talent to question ability. Most of the ability to evaluate talent falls short on members here.

JG has all the tools, give this kid time in the pocket and he will eat you alive,,,,,,,eat you alive. The Kid has all the mechanics to be great at UT. He was thrown into a bad season and circumstances last year but sill showed signs he can play. Please don't go off last years performance but look at his play. This kid can play and if you can't see it then you need an 101 football for dummies course.

Come on guys, stop thinking you know better than the coaches, I could be wrong an KC could be the starting QB but the upside on JG is through the roof. I'd hate to see this kid go else where and light it up!
 
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The thing is either qb can still have playing time even if they are not the starter. If the starter does horrible starting out, they very well could switch mid game. Once the starter fir the rest of the season is decided the other could still come in against utep, etsu, charlotte, or any other team we have a lead on or in any situation where a qb is getting hit alot or is having trouble making plays. This group isnt about playing favorites, their about winning, and neither have redshirts and both are good and can play at some point.
 
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ReasonableUTfan said:
Really, what does it take for some of you to realize talent? Did you watch the orange and white game? Did you not see how Helton's system fits JG much better? You want to have an agenda based off a terrible Oline last year that was riddled with injuries and give the kid grief who's doing something you could only dream of doing?

I was fortunate to have played college ball and i enjoy it tremendously but I know talent when I see it. JG grew leaps and bounds from last year with this staff and if you didn't see it in the O&W game you either have an agenda against the kid or you know nothing about football. For the most part I would question most members knowledge of football having played or played against great talent to question ability. Most of the ability to evaluate talent falls short on members here.

JG has all the tools, give this kid time in the pocket and he will eat you alive,,,,,,,eat you alive. The Kid has all the mechanics to be great at UT. He was thrown into a bad season and circumstances last year but sill showed signs he can play. Please don't go off last years performance but look at his play. This kid can play and if you can't see it then you need an 101 football for dummies course.

Come on guys, stop thinking you know better than the coaches, I could be wrong an KC could be the starting QB but the upside on JG is through the roof. I'd hate to see this kid go else where and light it up!
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Yeah, I guess this thread is kinda pointless since you with your infinite wisdom and experience just gave us all our opinions.

Mods, I guess you can just close this book. No more discussion.
 
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If there was a VN drinking game "Trust the coaches" or "You don't know more than the coaches" would be putting people in the morgue.

So many people terrified of having an original thought or something.
 
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EweTVol said:
They were all highly touted players. Butch couldn't develope players. I would say Dobbs and barnet were about the only players to show improvement in leaps and bounds over the jones years. Jg doesnt look like he has the dual threat he was touted as having. Maybe he just played scared but he really only went for dump off passes. Butch jones did not hold the ol or the dl with much priority. He had some of the worst position coaches there.
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My point exactly. If there's one thing Butch did, he left the roster in much better shape than he found it. His problem is he doesn't know what to do with it. There's plenty of talent here to work with. I think we'll find out quickly whether CJP is the right guy or not.
 
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k-town_king said:
VS SEC teams as a freshman

65.1% 857 yds 7.86 ypa 136.6 rtg.

Yea he sure showed he has no chance to be good against SEC teams. :ermm:
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4 TDs, 2 INTs, 26 sacks, 4-8 overall and 0-8 in the SEC.

Cherry picking is cherry picking. Lobby for your guy all you want, I think any QB over there has a chance to start this year.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
4 TDs, 2 INTs, 26 sacks, 4-8 overall and 0-8 in the SEC.

Cherry picking is cherry picking. Lobby for your guy all you want, I think any QB over there has a chance to start this year.
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2/1 td int ratio as a freshman. Not bad. The team record was not in anyway JG's fault. That is not a qb stat.

26 sacks was partly his fault for not getting rid of the ball. Partly the oline and coaches fault. Once again that is not a passing stat.

So he passed the ball well. The team was bad though. They gave up before he even became the starter. You want to hold team stats against him.

He has already been successful passing the ball in SEC games. That is a fact.

Two players have a chance to start this year at qb. KC and JG.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Yeah, I guess this thread is kinda pointless since you with your infinite wisdom and experience just gave us all our opinions.

Mods, I guess you can just close this book. No more discussion.
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My infinite wisdom tells me you already have your agenda set and no amount of info will prove anything to you, and I even doubt if JG lights it up will sway your limitless opinion. Have a good day sir!
 
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k-town_king said:
2/1 td int ratio as a true freshman. Not bad. The team record was not in anyway JG's fault. That is not a qb stat.

26 sacks was partly his fault for not getting rid of the ball. Partly the oline and coaches fault. Once again that is not a passing stat.

So he passed the ball well. The team was bad though. They gave up before he even became the starter. You want to hold team stats against him.

He has already been successful passing the ball in SEC games. That is a fact.

Two players have a chance to start this year at qb. KC and JG.
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You know what Guarantano's stats from last year prove? That we are missing an important metric.

Because the stats look ok..... So something must be wrong...ah yeah, football stats are broken, because the poorly reflect personal efficiency....Why?

Because they don't track any metric representing "time" other than games played. It's ridiculous and makes comparitive analysis much more difficult.

I remember as a teenager when i suddenly understood the true importance of "per minute" stats in basketball...the secret to any halfass analysis, and then by studying that understanding exactly how misleading "per game" stats are. Of course "per game" stats are more established as he sexy stats, but anyone with half an analytic brain understands efficiency and rate of production numbers rely on measuring and recording time.

In football it could be minutes, or snaps. Or both. How about possessions? They play 'em, why the hell dont we count 'em???

It pisses me off that they dont keep track of any of this. Any true stab at analyzing performance absolutely must take it into consideration. Factoring in "time" and success/per is at the heart of what profootballfocus does.

Anyway k-town-king. The proof lies there....in taking the total number of opportunities guarantano had offensively compared to the pathetically few times a guarantano led offense found any success whatsoever.

He had many many opportunities and very few successes.

You have in the past compared Guarantano favorably to Tua Taigovailoa.

Tua is an excellent example at the other end of the spectrum. He had very few opportunities, and almost all successes.

By the numbers...as you have pointed out....Tua's performance last year wasnt that much better than Guarantano's

8 games played 49-77 63.6 636yds 11td 2int 175.0 qb rating
9 games played 86-139 61.9 997yds 4td 2int 128.7 qb rating.

What are we missing???? Time...the sheer number of times Guarantano trotted out there, his overwhelming number of opportunities when compared to Tua. As it stands Guarantano #'s WOULD BE GOOD if he had say, half the opportunities that he actually received. As it stands, his true numbers are woefully inadequate when this is taken account.

And Tua's numbers are AMAZING precisely because his lack of opportunities. Its why people are raving about tua, because when he played he look great, played great and made the mkst of nearly every opportunity.

Here we go.,,,(this is what a stud qb looks like)

In 8 games, he ran 36 possessions, played 207 snaps, in this limited time tua led his offense to 1,554 yds 18 tds, 5 FG.

He passed for 636 ran for 133, accounting for 769 of his teams 1554 yards. He did this in 1:36:45 of playing time. Almost 97 minutes. And the national championship game accounts for almost 20% of his playing time!!!

It gets really scary when you consider those 36 possessions include "end of game/half" possesions that were kneeling plays and at least three more were "next to last possessions, ahead big, run 3x and punt"

Really scary cuz that true garbage time accounts for about 45 hollow snaps and 30 min of gametime.

And still....36 possessions 18tds(13 of which were tuas, 11 pass, 2 rush) 5-6 FG....only 8 of his possessions ended with failure of any kind....5 punts, 2 int, 1 fumble by teammate....the rest were touchdowns(18), field goals(6), or victory formation(4).

How many more possessions/snaps/minutes did guaratano have? See the difference...

And before someone says, "anyone could do that with bama's offense"...

Well, no. Jalen Hurts couldnt. Not quite that good. Thats production and efficiency that we could only pray for.
 
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k-town_king said:
2/1 td int ratio as a true freshman. Not bad. The team record was not in anyway JG's fault. That is not a qb stat.

26 sacks was partly his fault for not getting rid of the ball. Partly the oline and coaches fault. Once again that is not a passing stat.

So he passed the ball well. The team was bad though. They gave up before he even became the starter. You want to hold team stats against him.

He has already been successful passing the ball in SEC games. That is a fact.

Two players have a chance to start this year at qb. KC and JG.
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K,

You're wasting your time on this arm chair. I doubt even with the results of JG's play this year will sway his opinion and low be unto us if KC starts and JG doesn't..... The amount of flac will be legendary from this poster. But those in the know around the program all say JG is the man.
 
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