Kamara-Plausable reason(s)

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IknoxvolsI

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Before the Hurd situation I had not seen much out of Kamara to justify hype. After, like many of you, I wondered WTH is wrong with Butch. Still though, I can't fathom any realistic plausable reason he wasn't played more. But, I have done alot of thinking!

Was Butch holding him back to keep him healthy for the NFL?

Holding him back to get an extra year out of him?

Did Kamara ask to be held back?

Did it have somthing to do with promises to Hurd?

If anyone actually knows why Butch didn't utilize him more I would like to know. Surely Butch is not that dumb and had reason(s).
 
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Possible it was because Hurd was the long term starter on his way to the all TIME UT rushing record? IMO makes a bit more sense than keeping him healthy for the NFL.
 
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I question whether Kamara is a twenty carry a game back. To me he is one of those guys you get the ball to in a variety of ways, screens, slot, PR, sweeps, reverses, wildcat, etc. and we criminally did not do that enough. Both he and Hurd needed twenty touches a game, Hurd between the tackles and Kamara in the variety of ways I mention above. They should have played a lot at the same time and did not for whatever reason.
 
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ACvol3 said:
I'd say it had to do with cry baby Hurd.
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Yea knowing the scenario more fully now I think Butch was doing everything to keep everbody happy including hurd with his "greater than all" attitude.

He and the team finally got tired of it.
 
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I believe the early thought process was Hurd would be used as your typical every down "BIG BACK" and would beat up on the opposing defense and Kamara would demoralize them with speed and slashing ability. Then Kamara turned into a better all around back and Hurd, well............
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Before the Hurd situation I had not seen much out of Kamara to justify hype. After, like many of you, I wondered WTH is wrong with Butch. Still though, I can't fathom any realistic plausable reason he wasn't played more. But, I have done alot of thinking!

Was Butch holding him back to keep him healthy for the NFL?

Holding him back to get an extra year out of him?

Did Kamara ask to be held back?

Did it have somthing to do with promises to Hurd?

If anyone actually knows why Butch didn't utilize him more I would like to know. Surely Butch is not that dumb and had reason(s).
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From what I've heard, it had much more to do with Jones' recruiting promises to Hurd, to make him the featured player in the offense, to get him his touches to keep him happy.
 
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ncvol17 said:
Possible it was because Hurd was the long term starter on his way to the all TIME UT rushing record? IMO makes a bit more sense than keeping him healthy for the NFL.
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Makes too much sense. Jumper's dad paid somebody to start Hurd.
 
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KBVol said:
From what I've heard, it had much more to do with Jones' recruiting promises to Hurd, to make him the featured player in the offense, to get him his touches to keep him happy.
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Recruiting promises? He promised a fullback and power game. Which promise did he keep?

IknoxvolsI said:
...Surely Butch is not that dumb and had reason(s).
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Surely YOU are not that dumb. Butch is!
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Before the Hurd situation I had not seen much out of Kamara to justify hype. After, like many of you, I wondered WTH is wrong with Butch. Still though, I can't fathom any realistic plausable reason he wasn't played more. But, I have done alot of thinking!

Was Butch holding him back to keep him healthy for the NFL?

Holding him back to get an extra year out of him?

Did Kamara ask to be held back?

Did it have somthing to do with promises to Hurd?

If anyone actually knows why Butch didn't utilize him more I would like to know. Surely Butch is not that dumb and had reason(s).
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It was quite obvious to me early in the season that we were starting the wrong back. Now the season before Hurd deserved to start, but for whatever reason he was slower and more sluggish this year. After the A@M game it was very clear Kamara should have had more touches, he did lay the ball down a couple times against the aggies and if he hadn't his performance would have been nationwide talk. He had more quickness and elusiveness than Hurd by far and he also isn't afraid to run between the tackles either. And the attitude Hurd has is even clearer now, when it trotted in the endzone at Georgia I was livid, that should get any player benched. I think this was Coach Jones biggest learning opportunity at this level, you cannot let the player have the upper hand and say so. Hurd manipulated Jones from pre-season workouts to being the starter. I would let all my players no if you don't run into the endzone or you drop the ball at the goal line type of stuff you will not be playing for a while. You can't afford plays like that, it isn't fair to the rest of the team. GBO!!!!
 
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No matter how you slice it, it falls on Butch.. He's paid to win games. You do that by putting your best players on the field, not by placating a single player and/or his family....
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
Before the Hurd situation I had not seen much out of Kamara to justify hype. After, like many of you, I wondered WTH is wrong with Butch. Still though, I can't fathom any realistic plausable reason he wasn't played more. But, I have done alot of thinking!

Was Butch holding him back to keep him healthy for the NFL?

Holding him back to get an extra year out of him?

Did Kamara ask to be held back?

Did it have somthing to do with promises to Hurd?

If anyone actually knows why Butch didn't utilize him more I would like to know. Surely Butch is not that dumb and had reason(s).
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When are we going to stop trying to rationalize all the dumb decisions butch makes? It's tiresome...wether it's playing Worley ahead of Dobbs and running the read option with him (then burning Dobbs rs with 3 games remaining), or going for 1 when we needed 2 against uf, or firing our s&c coach and not replacing him, or playing Hurd ahead of Kamara...the guy isn't a very smart dude. Plain and simple. It's like everyone think to get a job as a head coach you are automatically some genius or something. Guess what, they're just like every other profession. There are some total idiots that just end up in the right place at the right time and just repeat all the coach speak and cliches they've heard their bosses say over the years.
It's just like les miles. You only needed to ever hear one interview to know he wasn't a intelligent guy. I feel the same way when I hear butch talk. He struggles to even make sense. Much less be thoughtful and creative. And the saddest part of our situation is...at least les miles had balls. And was loved by his players. Butch coaches in the most conservative/cowardly manner I've ever witnessed. And his players don't like him. We've had a ton of attrition and lost a ton of talent based on butchs arrogance.
I hope and pray our new ad has the guts to make a change after this season and gets us a real coach
 
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ncvol17 said:
Possible it was because Hurd was the long term starter on his way to the all TIME UT rushing record? IMO makes a bit more sense than keeping him healthy for the NFL.
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Funny how people forget those little facts....

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Kamara's year should have been this year, we could have relied heavily on him and Kellywhile the new QB got up to speed.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Recruiting promises? He promised a fullback and power game. Which promise did he keep?



Surely YOU are not that dumb. Butch is!
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Thought my post was clear....that Hurd, his biggest, most prominent prized in-state recruit, would be the focal point of the offense, would get his touches, pretty much no matter what. And he kept the promise.....to the detriment of Alvin and our offense flourishing moreso with the better player and better fit getting more playing time.
 
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chattavol420 said:
When are we going to stop trying to rationalize all the dumb decisions butch makes? It's tiresome...wether it's playing Worley ahead of Dobbs and running the read option with him (then burning Dobbs rs with 3 games remaining), or going for 1 when we needed 2 against uf, or firing our s&c coach and not replacing him, or playing Hurd ahead of Kamara...the guy isn't a very smart dude. Plain and simple. It's like everyone think to get a job as a head coach you are automatically some genius or something. Guess what, they're just like every other profession. There are some total idiots that just end up in the right place at the right time and just repeat all the coach speak and cliches they've heard their bosses say over the years.
It's just like les miles. You only needed to ever hear one interview to know he wasn't a intelligent guy. I feel the same way when I hear butch talk. He struggles to even make sense. Much less be thoughtful and creative. And the saddest part of our situation is...at least les miles had balls. And was loved by his players. Butch coaches in the most conservative/cowardly manner I've ever witnessed. And his players don't like him. We've had a ton of attrition and lost a ton of talent based on butchs arrogance.
I hope and pray our new ad has the guts to make a change after this season and gets us a real coach
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This won't make sense to you, but little does. I would rather have a cliche machine like Jones than a media darling like Dooley who I have heard too many of the local sports journalists recall his press conferences with so much fondness. And if you want him gone, pony up the buyout. Everybody is waiting.

No matter who replaces him, it will be the same old song and dance from you every two or three years.
 
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TNnative said:
This won't make sense to you, but little does. I would rather have a cliche machine like Jones than a media darling like Dooley who I have heard too many of the local sports journalists recall his press conferences with so much fondness. And if you want him gone, pony up the buyout. Everybody is waiting.

No matter who replaces him, it will be the same old song and dance from you every two or three years.
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Bingo
 
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This whole deal of just sitting on Kamara makes no sense at all!

Does anyone have any inside info on why he did?

We all know of the Javon Clowney's of college football so was this the same situation?
 
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I'm not sure if it was about his whole time here or last year, but I remember reading an article where Kamara talked about having to learn the blocking and blitz pick up, said that was something he was still trying to improve on
 
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chattavol420 said:
It's just like les miles. You only needed to ever hear one interview to know he wasn't a intelligent guy. I feel the same way when I hear butch talk. He struggles to even make sense. Much less be thoughtful and creative. And the saddest part of our situation is...at least les miles had balls. And was loved by his players. Butch coaches in the most conservative/cowardly manner I've ever witnessed. And his players don't like him. We've had a ton of attrition and lost a ton of talent based on butchs arrogance.
I hope and pray our new ad has the guts to make a change after this season and gets us a real coach
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We're there, or are there players that really don't like him? Besides maybe Hurd?

Lost a "ton". Because of his arrogance?

I don't remember this being a major issue.
 
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