Josh Pate Says It (The College Sports Crisis)

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I have dozens of comments in my comment history on this subject which anyone is free to look through and I have always been consistent on this point because unlike you, I know what I am talking about.
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You have dozens of BS comments in your history. I have facts. Every one of the court cases I cited supported my position.

You have raw speculation that has not happened.

You ducked my list of court cases and why CFB sports are more successful than ever, by every objective measure that matters.

I know why you didn't respond. Either you're unaware of the court cases or your fantasies are lying and telling you they don't matter.

You absolutely don't know what you're talking about. You're just making excuses for why you can't keep up.

You are FOS. Cry harder.
 
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I'm going to wade in here and TRY and defuse the @unfrozencvmanvol vs @S.C. OrangeMan debate.

Congress (or any legislature) can absolutely require that commercial transactions be made at FMV. Look at the UCC, for example. The only element of an otherwise ambiguous deal that cannot be enforced by a court between merchants is quantity. FMV? Sure. How does that happen?

Well........

@S.C. OrangeMan is right that a legislature (like Congress) does not usually set FMV itself, rather it writes laws that require it, then relies on the parties (or ultimately a trial court) to determine FMV based on the market. @unfrozencvmanvol is therefore also correct that Congress CAN require transactions be at FMV.

That is WAAAAYY oversimplified (and I in no way want to intrude on @unfrozencvmanvol's field of practice), but essentially Congress can require that NIL deals be at FMV, but it would deduce that FMV based on behavior of the parties, or ultimately expert opinion.

I hope that helps.......
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
I take a “risk” everyday when I hop on the interstate to go to the job that provides for my family. That job also makes money off of me. Funny how work works. Shoukd they start paying me fir that dangerous ride in?
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Ask Inky Johnson if your drive in compares....I'll wait...
 
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VolInNW said:
I'm going to wade in here and TRY and defuse the @unfrozencvmanvol vs @S.C. OrangeMan debate.

Congress (or any legislature) can absolutely require that commercial transactions be made at FMV. Look at the UCC, for example. The only element of an otherwise ambiguous deal that cannot be enforced by a court between merchants is quantity. FMV? Sure. How does that happen?

Well........

@S.C. OrangeMan is right that a legislature (like Congress) does not usually set FMV itself, rather it writes laws that require it, then relies on the parties (or ultimately a trial court) to determine FMV based on the market. @unfrozencvmanvol is therefore also correct that Congress CAN require transactions be at FMV.

That is WAAAAYY oversimplified (and I in no way want to intrude on @unfrozencvmanvol's field of practice), but essentially Congress can require that NIL deals be at FMV, but it would deduce that FMV based on behavior of the parties, or ultimately expert opinion.

I hope that helps.......
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You are correct in every respect. The reg I cited contained several exceptions to Stark that required a transaction to be "fair market value" but it does not set a price. The AUSA's at Main Justice in Washington will tell you real quick though that 1. they think X transaction is not fair market value and 2. they'll tell you what they think fair market value was. But again, you are correct, they then have to prove it court. The bottom line though is that yes, the federal government can and does regulate fair market value in other sectors of the economy and they do put people in prison and do issue fines in the millions of dollars for transgression of those regulations.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
You have dozens of BS comments in your history. I have facts. Every one of the court cases I cited supported my position.

You have raw speculation that has not happened.

You ducked my list of court cases and why CFB sports are more successful than ever, by every objective measure that matters.

I know why you didn't respond. Either you're unaware of the court cases or your fantasies are lying and telling you they don't matter.

You absolutely don't know what you're talking about. You're just making excuses for why you can't keep up.

You are FOS. Cry harder.
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Your Meghan Markle word salads do not concern me.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Your Meghan Markle word salads do not concern me.yiu are did injected from reality.
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Cry harder, Skippy. Your complete lack of comprehension and facts are showing up on a regular basis.

Funny how nothing you claim is happening.
Cry even harder. I'm sure you will.

Try to learn the ability to discern.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Starting about 15:15 of this video, they get into what can actually be done (17:23 if you really want to cut to the chase).



I've been on this soapbox for awhile. While I hate it, and am generally not a fan of federal intervention, Congress is the only entity with the power to address the various legal problems which has made college sports ungovernable. If they don't, college sports as a whole are doomed. The current wild west is unsustainable and with the employment model you can kiss the non-revenue sports including all women sports goodbye (and this will not be compliant with Title IX which will further result in the revenue sports breaking away from the universities entirely and just become minor league sports teams). A conditional antitrust exemption providing for equitable revenue sharing with athletes in exchange for allowing the NCAA (or some similar replacement governing body) the ability to enforce rules concerning NIL, transfers, etc., will restore order and save the institution of college sports. And it will be legal if Congress does it, SCOTUS itself said so in the Alston case (they said "hey NCAA you are talking to the wrong people, go talk to Congress").
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Wow!!
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Starting about 15:15 of this video, they get into what can actually be done (17:23 if you really want to cut to the chase).



I've been on this soapbox for awhile. While I hate it, and am generally not a fan of federal intervention, Congress is the only entity with the power to address the various legal problems which has made college sports ungovernable. If they don't, college sports as a whole are doomed. The current wild west is unsustainable and with the employment model you can kiss the non-revenue sports including all women sports goodbye (and this will not be compliant with Title IX which will further result in the revenue sports breaking away from the universities entirely and just become minor league sports teams). A conditional antitrust exemption providing for equitable revenue sharing with athletes in exchange for allowing the NCAA (or some similar replacement governing body) the ability to enforce rules concerning NIL, transfers, etc., will restore order and save the institution of college sports. And it will be legal if Congress does it, SCOTUS itself said so in the Alston case (they said "hey NCAA you are talking to the wrong people, go talk to Congress").
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There’s a saying in Old Orme….The fox in the hen house ain’t the problem…it the weasel under the coop!
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Gee look, S.C. Orange Man said "ChatGTP, right me a retarded response" again.
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You lie. I have never used whatever that is.
Typical BS from you. It's all you've got

Meanwhile, you're still chickens** ducking my list of court cases and on is active measures that say that your claims here are bogus.

Oh, and you're the faux genius that tried to conflate voluntary association kike Kiwanis and Rotary with public universities, then cried when I mythbusted you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cry harder.
 
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tbh said:
You see what your own experience has you see. I can't help how your mind has been scarred...that's your battle to fight, but we're all cheering for ya!
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I can't help it that you are projecting.
Like the old southern saying about flatulence ""the smelller's the feller". That would be you.

Now back to the actual topic.

Pate was wrong on at least two counts.

He used as false generalization trying to claim that everyone believes as he does. Obviously, that is not accurate.

He also posed a false dilemma by claiming that there are inku 3 possible outcomes.

There are at least 2 others.

1. Do nothing, and her tgestkey find it's own level. You know, apply actual free market economics to this market?

2. Make the revenue sport athletes contractors. That would save tons of money compared to making them employees. No retirement and no paid vacay.

The doom and gloom is unwarranted. The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
You lie. I have never used whatever that is.
Typical BS from you. It's all you've got

Meanwhile, you're still chickens** ducking my list of court cases and on is active measures that say that your claims here are bogus.

Oh, and you're the faux genius that tried to conflate voluntary association kike Kiwanis and Rotary with public universities, then cried when I mythbusted you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cry harder.
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tlowe said:
Ask Inky Johnson if your drive in compares....I'll wait...
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“In the United States, motor vehicle crashes result in roughly 40,000-45,000 deaths annually. For example, in 2022, 42,514 people died in such crashes. This translates to over 120 deaths per day, according to the CDC.”

“In 2022, the United States saw an estimated 2,382,771 people injured in motor vehicle crashes. National Safety Councilestimates that 5.2 million people were Medically consulted for motor-vehicle incidents in 2022.“

It compares…
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
I can't help it that you are projecting.
Like the old southern saying about flatulence ""the smelller's the feller". That would be you.

Now back to the actual topic.

Pate was wrong on at least two counts.

He used as false generalization trying to claim that everyone believes as he does. Obviously, that is not accurate.

He also posed a false dilemma by claiming that there are inku 3 possible outcomes.

There are at least 2 others.

1. Do nothing, and her tgestkey find it's own level. You know, apply actual free market economics to this market?

2. Make the revenue sport athletes contractors. That would save tons of money compared to making them employees. No retirement and no paid vacay.

The doom and gloom is unwarranted. The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.
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Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking, 'Unc'. I don't believe I ever indicated that the sky was falling, literally or figuratively. I'm guessing the copy/pasted wharrgarrbl you inserted was meant as a response to another poster?
 
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tbh said:
Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking, 'Unc'. I don't believe I ever indicated that the sky was falling, literally or figuratively. I'm guessing the copy/pasted wharrgarrbl you inserted was meant as a response to another poster?
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Your ability to discern is what is lacking.
 
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tlowe said:
Ask Inky Johnson if your drive in compares....I'll wait...
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Tell me how many life altering sports accidents there are per year vs how many people die in car accidents per year coming to/from work. I’ll wait. You won’t like the numbers when you google that one. You really thought you did something there. People take “risks” everyday to provide for their family and over 99% of them will never have the ability to make the money these kids have the opportunity to. Miners, riggers, drivers, take risks everyday and aren’t compensated heavily for the “what ifs”.

It’s unfortunate if anyone gets hurt doing anything in life, inky included. Sorry if that doesn’t make me think they deserve millions at risk of blowing out a knee all while getting free education, housing, food, and the best resources.
 
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The Original Fade said:
You’ve had your a$$ handed to you on this thread
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Not even. B.S. doesn't do that. Neither does the self-important arrogance of those who post fantasy and claim its factual. That's text ook delusional on their part.

As for who is correct, look around college sports. The facts hear out my position and debunk the ones that attacked me.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Not even. B.S. doesn't do that. Neither does the self-important arrogance of those who post fantasy and claim its factual. That's text ook delusional on their part.

As for who is correct, look around college sports. The facts hear out my position and debunk the ones that attacked me.
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I think the only one delusional is you if you don't believe you haven't had your a$$ handed to you multiple times over in this thread.
 
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Peradox1K said:
I think the only one delusional is you if you don't believe you haven't had your a$$ handed to you multiple times over in this thread.
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That's ludicrous. I proved my point with evidence and reason. The couple of people arguing with me did do that.

Example - using a single guy's opinion as if it were fact. (Pate). It's not.

Example - pate's false claim that there are only 3 options going forward. I showed there are at least 2 others.

Example - claiming that a law that applies to voluntary associations (think Kiwanis, Rotary, FFA, etc) applies to public universities. It doesn't. Public universities clearly are not "voluntary association".

Example - the false claim that college sports are "done". They aren't. They are better than ever by any objective measure. Attended xe. Viewership. Money. Associated sales.
There's not a shred of objective that says otherwise.

Your opinion of what happened is ludicrously incongruent with the facts
 
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