Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

[Burger]

Pro football focus ranked Ty Nsekhe as a top 10 OT when he played for Trent (4 game suspension) - Ty was nearly out of football before Callahan got his hands on the 6-8 monster. Just amazing what those special coaches can do.

Very true. Like GB's WR coach is similar to Callahan.

 

[butchna]

Speaking of tall OL, anybody seen Dan Skipper's career?

 

[114VOL]

I actually watched NFL Insiders on ESPN earlier today and Todd McShay said he would draft Josh Dobbs in the 2nd round straight up. There was no talk about any other QBs. They were actually discussing whether Josh could be the next Dak Prescott. Also Mark Dominik (former GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) said Dobbs would go higher in the draft than most expect and compared his release and passing to Dak Prescott coming out of college.

And if you watch ESPN right now they have a draft simulation show on and Dobbs is rated as a 2nd rounder on the Big Board and as the 5th overall QB.

Whether you like it or not, according to Todd McShay, Josh Dobbs is a second round player in terms of value.

Good for Todd Shay. Much like you, there's a reason he isn't drafting players for a living and just talking about it. Just like you, he's nowhere near qualified to be an NFL GM

 

[114VOL]

yeah, and this has devolved in to something that it shouldn't. Tee should be remembered fondly. he made plays in big moments, and is a part of that undefeated season.

but in regards to playing the position of QB, it's just not a debate.

Sure it is with people who watched both play. Some advice: stats are meaningless without detail. Plus, in critical big down situations, I would take Tee all day long and twice on Sunday. I get that measured stats are markedly in Dobbs favor. Dobbs is a spread QB. Martin ran the multiple pro-style. Two completely different schemes. More often than not, only 2-3 guys were running pass patterns. I know of several guys my age that have coached and played the game who agree with my assessment. I don't think some of you are old enough to remember Martin. You're not going to change my opinion by continuing to post the stats.

 

[114VOL]

Tee should be remembered fondly....but accurately. Both points should be acknowledged, as he was both....clutch at coming up with big plays several times on our national championship team in 1998....and still not nearly good as the top QBs in our program's history, including Josh Dobbs.

Dobbs isn't anywhere close to the top QBs in program history. Sorry. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[jakez4ut]

Sure it is with people who watched both play. Some advice: stats are meaningless without detail. Plus, in critical big down situations, I would take Tee all day long and twice on Sunday. I get that measured stats are markedly in Dobbs favor. Dobbs is a spread QB. Martin ran the multiple pro-style. Two completely different schemes. More often than not, only 2-3 guys were running pass patterns. I know of several guys my age that have coached and played the game who agree with my assessment. I don't think some of you are old enough to remember Martin. You're not going to change my opinion by continuing to post the stats.

Lol. I was in school with tee. And I don't care if you change your opinion. It'd be a lot less entertaining for me if you did.

So keep rolling with your "opinion "....please.

 

[GAVol]

Dobbs isn't anywhere close to the top QBs in program history. Sorry. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

As far as playing the position, I don't think he's near the top, but he's in the next handful.

In the last 25 years it's Manning, Clausen, Ainge, Shuler. Then it's some combination of Dobbs, Kelly, Martin.

 

[GAVol]

Sure it is with people who watched both play. Some advice: stats are meaningless without detail. Plus, in critical big down situations, I would take Tee all day long and twice on Sunday. I get that measured stats are markedly in Dobbs favor. Dobbs is a spread QB. Martin ran the multiple pro-style. Two completely different schemes. More often than not, only 2-3 guys were running pass patterns. I know of several guys my age that have coached and played the game who agree with my assessment. I don't think some of you are old enough to remember Martin. You're not going to change my opinion by continuing to post the stats.

not following the logic here. Isn't it more impressive to complete 60+% in an offense with a bunch of 2 and 3 read throws vs 50% in an offense with 1 read throws?

 

[jakez4ut]

Dobbs isn't anywhere close to the top QBs in program history. Sorry. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

Lol. It's not for you to disagree. You're just wrong.

All you got is your eye test. The disagreement is in this side of the table...

 

[jakez4ut]

not following the logic here. Isn't it more impressive to complete 60+% in an offense with a bunch of 2 and 3 read throws vs 50% in an offense with 1 read throws?

Logic? Lol. He's right cause he said so...

 

[114VOL]

As far as playing the position, I don't think he's near the top, but he's in the next handful.

In the last 25 years it's Manning, Clausen, Ainge, Shuler. Then it's some combination of Dobbs, Kelly, Martin.

He's a little bit out of the 25 year range, but Tony Robinson is right behind Manning and with all due respect, Ainge is nowhere near Shuler or Clausen. Andy Kelly was better than Ainge, too. I would actually put Dobbs ahead of Ainge.

 

[jakez4ut]

As far as playing the position, I don't think he's near the top, but he's in the next handful.

In the last 25 years it's Manning, Clausen, Ainge, Shuler. Then it's some combination of Dobbs, Kelly, Martin.

Actually I think that order is about right if you think about it

 

[114VOL]

not following the logic here. Isn't it more impressive to complete 60+% in an offense with a bunch of 2 and 3 read throws vs 50% in an offense with 1 read throws?

Very rarely, if ever, did Dobbs actually go through 2-3 reads when passing the ball. And no, it's not necessarily more impressive.

 

[114VOL]

Actually I think that order is about right if you think about it

Nope....LOL

 

[114VOL]

Lol. I was in school with tee. And I don't care if you change your opinion. It'd be a lot less entertaining for me if you did.

So keep rolling with your "opinion "....please.

Good for you. Stats are meaningless without detail.

Don't worry. I will "roll" birgits_giggle with my opinion

 

[KBVol]

Dobbs isn't anywhere close to the top QBs in program history. Sorry. We're going to have to agree to disagree.

We definitely disagree. The best QBs UT QBs I've seen the last 40-45 years are ...

Manning (#1)....and then somewhat in order, though after Shuler and Clausen there's subjectivity involved imo.

Shuler
Clausen
Dobbs
Ainge
Holloway
Kelly
Bray
Martin
Streater
Francis

 

[butchna]

Logic? Lol. He's right cause he said so...

And he's old! And we still can't vote!

 

[114VOL]

114's UT QB ranking ( modern day)
Manning
Robinson (1A)
Shuler
Holloway
Scott
Clausen
Cockrell
Kelley
Warren
Martin

 

[butchna]

We definitely disagree. The best QBs UT QBs I've seen the last 40-45 years are ...

Manning (#1)....and then somewhat in order, though after Shuler and Clausen there's subjectivity involved imo.

Shuler
Clausen
Dobbs
Ainge
Holloway
Kelly
Bray
Martin
Streater
Francis

You forgot Schaeffer! "Fulmer would still be here if he hadn't transferred." :lol:

 

[114VOL]

We definitely disagree. The best QBs UT QBs I've seen the last 40-45 years are ...

Manning (#1)....and then somewhat in order, though after Shuler and Clausen there's subjectivity involved imo.

Shuler
Clausen
Dobbs
Ainge
Holloway
Kelly
Bray
Martin
Streater
Francis

You had to forget about Tony Robinson

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm still waiting on this "detail" you seem to be keeping to yourself.

 

[butchna]

114 likes peanut butter. :yess:

 

[butchna]

You had to forget about Tony Robinson

Well KB's old...sooo? :dunno:

 

[jakez4ut]

Well on this particular subject I think I'm pretty comfortable with my assertion.

So until 114 can bring something harder than " because I said so ", I'll consider the matter closed.

 

[114VOL]

Well on this particular subject I think I'm pretty comfortable with my assertion.

So until 114 can bring something harder than " because I said so ", I'll consider the matter closed.

It's not because I say so and I am not trying to insinuate such. It's my opinion of watching both men play and how they performed under pressure