Josh Dobbs (merged)

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TNHopeful505 said:
The most amazing thing...is D4H is basically averaging 1 like for every post. This is not real life.
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Yes but remember for 2 straight seasons he made 100% orange colored glasses Vol predictions for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. No matter how deluded or silly those posts would be, if you post extremely pro-Vol posts in the FF, you'll get a lot of likes.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I trust my ability to evaluate talent and Josh Dobbs is the greatest QB prospect I've ever seen. So you see its IMPOSSIBLE for anything but incredible success to come Dobbs way.
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So a guy who has mid-level arm strength, who when he throws deep outs is basically serving up a pic on a turkey platter with the nice brown gravy is the greatest QB prospect you've ever seen? First class troll job man ... because no one in reality could possibly believe that.
 
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TDawg said:
So a guy who has mid-level arm strength, who when he throws deep outs is basically serving up a pic on a turkey platter with the nice brown gravy is the greatest QB prospect you've ever seen? First class troll job man ... because no one in reality could possibly believe that.
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Who is this you are talking about? Certainly not Dobbs. His arm strength is ELITE. Mike Mayock called it "whippy" during the combine and senior bowl. That's football speak for a very strong arm. As in you can hear the sound the ball makes when Josh throws it. Also during Steelers training camp this year multiple reporters have pointed out how Dobbs has a clearly stronger arm than Rudolph. I posted those tweets earlier in this thread.

No respected football observer have ever doubted Josh's arm strength. Mike Mayock, NFL Network's draft guru, has specifically gone out of his way to say Dobbs has a very strong arm over and over again. If you watched the combine or senior bowl you would have heard this multiple times. The only thing scouts have ever questioned is Dobbs accuracy and decision-making. Not his arm strength.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Who is this you are talking about? Certainly not Dobbs. His arm strength is ELITE. Mike Mayock called it "whippy" during the combine and senior bowl. That's football speak for a very strong arm. As in you can hear the sound the ball makes when Josh throws it. Also during Steelers training camp this year multiple reporters have pointed out how Dobbs has a clearly stronger arm than Rudolph. I posted those tweets earlier in this thread.

No respected football observer have ever doubted Josh's arm strength. Mike Mayock, NFL Network's draft guru, has specifically gone out of his way to say Dobbs has a very strong arm over and over again. If you watched the combine or senior bowl you would have heard this multiple times. The only thing scouts have ever questioned is Dobbs accuracy and decision-making. Not his arm strength.
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Liar. You posted tweets that didn't even come close to saying what you said they did.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Who is this you are talking about? Certainly not Dobbs. His arm strength is ELITE. Mike Mayock called it "whippy" during the combine and senior bowl. That's football speak for a very strong arm. As in you can hear the sound the ball makes when Josh throws it. Also during Steelers training camp this year multiple reporters have pointed out how Dobbs has a clearly stronger arm than Rudolph. I posted those tweets earlier in this thread.

No respected football observer have ever doubted Josh's arm strength. Mike Mayock, NFL Network's draft guru, has specifically gone out of his way to say Dobbs has a very strong arm over and over again. If you watched the combine or senior bowl you would have heard this multiple times. The only thing scouts have ever questioned is Dobbs accuracy and decision-making. Not his arm strength.
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His measured throws are far from anemic but nothing that remotely resembles elite. Of course that's a finite metric...Deshaun Watson didn't post great numbers either...so obviously arm isn't everything.

Ball Velocity: Exposing the Power QB
 
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hndog609 said:
His measured throws are far from anemic but nothing that remotely resembles elite. Of course that's a finite metric...Deshaun Watson didn't post great numbers either...so obviously arm isn't everything.

Ball Velocity: Exposing the Power QB
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Deshaun also has a very strong arm. That radar gun at the combine is useless cause guys come to the combine with different things to prove. For some guys its arm strength so they will try to rip it on every throw to show they have a strong arm (Baker Mayfield was doing that this past year).

While others go to the combine trying to prove that they are accurate passers if the major knock on them is accuracy. Josh and Deshaun clearly went to the combine looking to show accuracy rather than power. The question on both of them was accuracy not arm strength. So rather than trying to rip it on every throw, they were instead trying to show accuracy.

When Dobbs and Deshaun let loose and wanna rip it, they can rip it with the best of them. All you gotta do is watch the tape. Mike Mayock doesn't just say everyone has a "whippy" arm. He only saves that for the guys that can rip it. And he's said that about Dobbs multiple times.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Deshaun also has a very strong arm. That radar gun at the combine is useless cause guys come to the combine with different things to prove. For some guys its arm strength so they will try to rip it on every throw to show they have a strong arm (Baker Mayfield was doing that this past year).

While others go to the combine trying to prove that they are accurate passers if the major knock on them is accuracy. Josh and Deshaun clearly went to the combine looking to show accuracy rather than power. The question on both of them was accuracy not arm strength. So rather than trying to rip it on every throw, they were instead trying to show accuracy.

When Dobbs and Deshaun let loose and wanna rip it, they can rip it with the best of them. All you gotta do is watch the tape. Mike Mayock doesn't just say everyone has a "whippy" arm. He only saves that for the guys that can rip it. And he's said that about Dobbs multiple times.
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I didn't claim or even allude to Dobbs having a "weak" arm but you don't get to dismiss measurements because they don't back your argument. As another example regardless of how "good" a RB is he isn't "fast" if he can't run a good time. It's a finite measurement, just like ball velocity, and it's not subjective. I don't give a damn what Mayock or anyone subjectively sees or, better still, what you subjectively (and with wild bias) infer from such comments. I think Dobbs arm is fine...it is demonstrably not elite.
 
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hndog609 said:
I didn't claim or even allude to Dobbs having a "weak" arm but you don't get to dismiss measurements because they don't back your argument. As another example regardless of how "good" a RB is he isn't "fast" if he can't run a good time. It's a finite measurement, just like ball velocity, and it's not subjective. I don't give a damn what Mayock or anyone subjectively sees or, better still, what you subjectively (and with wild bias) infer from such comments. I think Dobbs arm is fine...it is demonstrably not elite.
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The fallacy in your argument here is you are assuming what the radar gun at the combine measured is Dobbs max arm strength. Just like it would be a fallacy to think Deshaun only can max out at 49 MPH. All you had to do was watch any Texans game last year to see Deshaun throwing LASERS all over the field.

Once again, that combine radar gun is not like the 40 yard dash. Ain't no talent evaluator making decisions based on it. Nobody judges arm strength by it. Thus, guys don't go to the combine trying to throw each pass as hard as they can. For guys like Dobbs and Watson where the big question on them by scouts is ACCURACY, they go to the combine with the goal of trying to make every pass accurate.

This year, you saw the same thing with Lamar Jackson. A guy who everyone knows has a HUGE arm but then his MPH on the radar gun was lowest of all QBs. Why do you think that was? Do you seriously think Lamar Jackson has the weakest arm of all the QBs at the combine? Or was Lamar conscious of the fact people were questioning his accuracy so rather than trying to zip the passes in like he does during games, he took something off the passes so he could be more accurate. Now the bad thing for Lamar was that he's more accurate when he just zips the ball naturally rather than trying to aim it and be accurate. That is why he threw so bad at the combine IMO. I think he was trying to be accurate rather than just throwing the ball naturally.
 
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Can't read too much into one preseason game, but it's hard to think that anything happens other than Jones getting the backup nod. And if Jones gets the backup nod, Dobbs has no shot at a roster spot.
 
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bamawriter said:
Can't read too much into one preseason game, but it's hard to think that anything happens other than Jones getting the backup nod. And if Jones gets the backup nod, Dobbs has no shot at a roster spot.
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I don't see them cutting Rudolph, and Dobbs just doesn't have th consistency necessary to trust him as a backup that will probably have to start and win 1-3 games a season.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Deshaun also has a very strong arm. That radar gun at the combine is useless cause guys come to the combine with different things to prove. For some guys its arm strength so they will try to rip it on every throw to show they have a strong arm (Baker Mayfield was doing that this past year).

While others go to the combine trying to prove that they are accurate passers if the major knock on them is accuracy. Josh and Deshaun clearly went to the combine looking to show accuracy rather than power. The question on both of them was accuracy not arm strength. So rather than trying to rip it on every throw, they were instead trying to show accuracy.

When Dobbs and Deshaun let loose and wanna rip it, they can rip it with the best of them. All you gotta do is watch the tape. Mike Mayock doesn't just say everyone has a "whippy" arm. He only saves that for the guys that can rip it. And he's said that about Dobbs multiple times.
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So you made all this crap up without a clue on how the velocity test is conducted, didn't you?
 
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bamawriter said:
Can't read too much into one preseason game, but it's hard to think that anything happens other than Jones getting the backup nod. And if Jones gets the backup nod, Dobbs has no shot at a roster spot.
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You think the Steelers are stupid enough to put all their eggs in the Mason Rudolph basket?

That guy is AWFUL. And its not me saying that cause he's competing against Dobbs. I had him rated as the 10th best QB in this class before the draft. I watched him extensively in college and was never impressed. I told ya'll after he was drafted that it was a terrible mistake by the Steelers. That if they were unhappy with Dobbs, they should have drafted Lamar Jackson or even Kyle Lauletta. Those guys have starter potential. Mason Rudolph has no potential to be a starter. He's unathletic, can't escape pressure, got a weak arm, and came from a gimmick offense with no NFL concepts.

The Steelers have to be smarter than that. Its one thing to be unsure about Dobbs because of his inconsistency. Its another to hitch your wagon to a guy with far less talent and even more questions.
 
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For the stat geeks out there, cause I know if Josh's numbers were bad ya'll would post them, here are his stats thru 2 preseason games (really 3 quarters of action):

-21/31 (67.7% passing)
-283 yards
-13.5 yards per attempt
-3 TDs
-2 INTs
-101.95 passer rating

-7 rushes
-46 yards
-6.6 YPC

- Led 5 TD drives in 3 quarters of action (team high)

Not bad for a guy ya'll claim has no chance to make the team.
 
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