Jones BOTCHED the QB decision...

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Tennessee Tyrant said:
I honestly think Butch thought that Worley could provide what little senior leadership our young team could get on offense. Poor guy just couldn't escape the massacres he's been put through like Dobbs can with his legs. On that note, thank you for being one tough ass QB, Worley.
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So senior leadership is more important than say winning games to Butch? Interesting.
 
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Dobbs is the man. No doubt in my mind who the best quarterback is. At least Dobbs can run and chew gum at the same time. Hope he starts for the remainder of the year If he starts, I firmly believe we have at least a chance to win every game remaining.
 
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From David Climer - "Despite starting four games as a true freshman last season due to a rash of injuries at quarterback, Dobbs was a fairly unknown commodity. He had failed to make headway last spring or in preseason practice, where he slipped behind fellow sophomore Nathan Peterman on the depth chart. He was targeted for a redshirt season."

Apparently Dobbs has not been good enough to establish himself during camp or practice. Even in this game, he turned the ball over twice. He is a good athlete but obviously in practice he has not taken the strides to separate himself from two mediocre quarterbacks. Apparently he has not risen to the top where he needs to. It is not good when your leading rusher is the QB either. I would not trust his throwing over the long haul. The coaching staff had decided to red shirt him for a reason. Once again circumstances have dictated that he play so at the moment he is the best we have. GO VOLS!
 
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orangegrass said:
From David Climer - "Despite starting four games as a true freshman last season due to a rash of injuries at quarterback, Dobbs was a fairly unknown commodity. He had failed to make headway last spring or in preseason practice, where he slipped behind fellow sophomore Nathan Peterman on the depth chart. He was targeted for a redshirt season."

Apparently Dobbs has not been good enough to establish himself during camp or practice. Even in this game, he turned the ball over twice. He is a good athlete but obviously in practice he has not taken the strides to separate himself from two mediocre quarterbacks. Apparently he has not risen to the top where he needs to. It is not good when your leading rusher is the QB either. I would not trust his throwing over the long haul. The coaching staff had decided to red shirt him for a reason. Once again circumstances have dictated that he play so at the moment he is the best we have. GO VOLS!
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Some people who hate are going to continue to hate. Is Dave Clime a coach on UTs staff? Nope

Good grief can you not recognize the positives of what Dobbs accomplished? Do you really think Peterman would have done better? Hell Peterman played a handful of plays and turned the ball over at UGA.

When one of our players do us proud some fans who have to justify their postition against a player can only give a back handed comment.

Coming in cold with zilch playing time, throwing well above 50%, leading sustaining drives, only getting sacked once! actually running the zone read, etc.... Yep one INT BUT he had 2 TDs. My gosh every QB throws an INT and must look at ratio of TD/INT.

As for the comment it is not good if your QB IS your leading rusher, well in this type of offense I seem to think of Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Oregon's Mariota, Prescott. Them are some pretty good rushing Qbs. Dobbs legs helped us not go 3 and out many times last night.
 
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armchair said:
A blind man can see that Dobbs is our best QB. He's not great but he can run, gives us a dimension we've not had--and this was his first action of the year! You could see he had more upside last year. Dobbs lost half a year of experience because our coaches can't see what was obvious. Nice!
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Your name says it all but one more time for those that can't read! CBJ needed a RS on him so he had 3 full years of eligibility. Like every other position on this team, QB is lacking long term depth thanks to fergy transferring out and no QB in this years signing class. Also behind this O line he would have been killed by now! Worley has played pretty well to this point in the season. We win the GA game if doesn't go out in the 3rd quarter with injury behind said o line! Dobbs gives a run threat but his accuracy is way behind that of Worley's. I'm betting you made this same post about Peterman should be the starter at the beginning of the season.

Hell Dobbs parents even wanted a RS on him. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

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Tennesseeduke
 
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I am glad non of the fans are coaches, else, we will be making knee-jerk decisions our way to play every UT student who can hold the ball.
 
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VolAllen said:
I've been wondering why Worley was named the starter ever since the Spring game. Dobbs killed it in the Spring game. I'm totally confused about this...
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A lot of other people are confused by this, also, likely because we just do not understand the "process."

But, Worley vs Dobbs debate aside, why in the world after deciding to burn Dobbs RS do you start Peterman knowing that he is going to be pulled after two series and spot Bama 13 points?
 
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#112
Many of you would not accept that CBJ was trying to RS Dobbs and that he was better than 3rd string when others had been saying it for weeks. Now that he proved it, you act like you knew it all along.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Your name says it all but one more time for those that can't read! CBJ needed a RS on him so he had 3 full years of eligibility. Like every other position on this team, QB is lacking long term depth thanks to fergy transferring out and no QB in this years signing class. Also behind this O line he would have been killed by now! Worley has played pretty well to this point in the season. We win the GA game if doesn't go out in the 3rd quarter with injury behind said o line! Dobbs gives a run threat but his accuracy is way behind that of Worley's. I'm betting you made this same post about Peterman should be the starter at the beginning of the season.

Hell Dobbs parents even wanted a RS on him. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

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Tennesseeduke
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The redshirt so he can be around in 2017 argument is a special kind of dumb.

Do you guys have so little faith in Butch that you think he can't recruit depth in 4 full recruiting cycles?
 
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armchair said:
A blind man can see that Dobbs is our best QB. He's not great but he can run, gives us a dimension we've not had--and this was his first action of the year! You could see he had more upside last year. Dobbs lost half a year of experience because our coaches can't see what was obvious. Nice!
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what does that tell you about jones and his staff.
 
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tm3 said:
A lot of other people are confused by this, also, likely because we just do not understand the "process."

But, Worley vs Dobbs debate aside, why in the world after deciding to burn Dobbs RS do you start Peterman knowing that he is going to be pulled after two series and spot Bama 13 points?
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Because spotting those 13 points was part of the game plan? :crazy:
 
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Whats-ever. It's done now. My basic point is that we should have either played him early in the season or not at all. It doesn't help him or the team much to against start playing him late in the season. Had we brought him in against georgia, played him in the florida game, we probably would have won at least one of the those games and he'd have that much more experience.

One thing that does concern about Dobbs, as I've mentioned in a couple of other threads: Like Worley, he's got an odd, stiff-armed throwing motion that doesn't look very natural and may account for some inaccuracy. On some throws he shows a good arm; on others it looks to me like his motion is an issue. We'll have to see how that plays out. In every other way--command of unit, poise, confidence, running ability--he's a step up.
 
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butchna said:
Because spotting those 13 points was part of the game plan? :crazy:
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His redshirt wasn't burned until he actually played, fwiw. Not that that makes the decision anymore palatable. It was flat dumb. Like never giving Dobbs a chance otherwise, and bringing in AJ on 3rd and 1
 
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armchair said:
A blind man can see that Dobbs is our best QB. He's not great but he can run, gives us a dimension we've not had--and this was his first action of the year! You could see he had more upside last year. Dobbs lost half a year of experience because our coaches can't see what was obvious. Nice!
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a duel threat QB fits this system much better than a pocket passer. When Dobbs makes a good play, he makes a really good play. However, when Dobbs makes a bad one, I can see how much of a nightmare it can be.

I don't question Worley being the starter. What I do question is why they were trying to red shirt Dobbs. Like that was going to work out with an inexperienced O-Line.

You need a capable back-up, and Peterman is yet to do anything in a game that gives anyone outside perhaps his own family confidence he can put together a win at this level.
 
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tm3 said:
A lot of other people are confused by this, also, likely because we just do not understand the "process."

But, Worley vs Dobbs debate aside, why in the world after deciding to burn Dobbs RS do you start Peterman knowing that he is going to be pulled after two series and spot Bama 13 points?
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I have no clue why they keep doing this to Peterman. In my opinion, he still hasn't gotten a fair chance. A couple of series @UF as a FR, a couple against UF when Worley got banged up, a QTR of the Chatt game iirc, and 2 series against Bama. Dude could be ok with some confidence, but I think we've seen the last of Peterman.

Jones has me scratching my head on this one...
 
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armchair said:
A blind man can see that Dobbs is our best QB. He's not great but he can run, gives us a dimension we've not had--and this was his first action of the year! You could see he had more upside last year. Dobbs lost half a year of experience because our coaches can't see what was obvious. Nice!
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If Butch Jones can not evaluate quarterbacks properly, then your logic dictates that he is not fit to be the head coach of UT.

UT should immediately begin a head coach search to replace him.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
If Butch Jones can not evaluate quarterbacks properly, then your logic dictates that he is not fit to be the head coach of UT.

UT should immediately begin a head coach search to replace him.
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Who recruited Josh Dobbs again?

Can anyone blame Jones for starting the senior who had the most experience with this Oline early in the year? Dobbs looked good last night but he didn't look fantastic in the spring. He didn't look good last year in the games he started in. He is not as accurate as Worley in the passing game. And yeah maybe we win versus UF with Dobbs as QB, just as likely though the kid gets his leg broken and shoved up his anus with this Oline early in the year.

Jones has no reason to want to hold Dobbs back. Dobbs is Butch's guy; he was brought in late in the recruiting cycle when Butch got the UT job.
 
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#123
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I think Jones did know what he was doing trying to get another year with Dobbs. He still thinks Dobbs is green and wanted another year for him to fully grow and I think he knew this. I think Butch wanted to get through this season and when he noticed how bad the oline was I don't think he wanted Dobbs to get hurt. I hope that the game last night was not because Bama did not scheme against a runner at qb now other teams will but Dobbs arm is above and beyond better that either of the other 2 and you could see the receivers with a little pep and smile knowing this.
 
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armchair said:
a blind man can see that dobbs is our best qb. He's not great but he can run, gives us a dimension we've not had--and this was his first action of the year! You could see he had more upside last year. Dobbs lost half a year of experience because our coaches can't see what was obvious. Nice!
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wow!
 
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