JonBenet Ramsey Case

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Sandvol said:
I think the case could be prosecuted but probably never will.

Was it both parents and why?
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JonBenét's was the only murder in Boulder, Colorado, in 1996. The Boulder police had little experience in that type of investigation. Regardless, the majority of them immediately thought that the Ramseys were guilty due to the lack of evidence found indicating that an intruder had broken inside the house, and that the Ramseys had been avoiding the police since the death of their daughter.[citation needed]

Boulder police dismissed the possibility that an intruder had somehow slipped inside the house and committed the murder because they could not find any evidence of anyone breaking in. Instead, District Attorney Alex Hunter leaked information to the media.[citation needed] Meanwhile, the Ramseys had themselves retained a public relations firm and repeatedly appeared on national television to plead their case.

Statements were given to the media by John Ramsey's ex-wife, brother, and sister-in-law. They categorically deny that John Ramsey is, or has ever been, a child abuser. To further defend the claims, John Ramsey's son, John Andrew, and elder daughter, Melinda, told interviewers that their father had always been a loving and gentle person who "cherished" his children and had never abused them in any way. Both children were interviewed as possible suspects in the murder but were later cleared.

In 2004, investigators began to emphasize an intruder theory. Throughout the investigation, the Ramseys maintained their innocence.

Even after the false confession, extradition, and later release of John Mark Karr, JonBenét's murder remains unsolved. Charges have not been filed against anyone.

However, in July 2008 John Ramsey and his late wife Patsy were officially cleared of the death by the Boulder District Attorney's office, based on new DNA evidence collected from JonBenet's clothing; this particular DNA analysis did not exist at the time of the killing.[7]
I know the aforementioned article said they are cleared but the whole situation is ludicrous .
 
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MY3*VOLS said:
The blonde 20 something that never turned up after being last seen by her brother lead away in the woods
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I somewhat remember that case but never read much about it. I do remember that case being somewhat odd in that the brother saw his sister walking into the woods with another man but didn't seem inquisitive.
 
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MY3*VOLS said:
JonBenét's was the only murder in Boulder, Colorado, in 1996. The Boulder police had little experience in that type of investigation. Regardless, the majority of them immediately thought that the Ramseys were guilty due to the lack of evidence found indicating that an intruder had broken inside the house, and that the Ramseys had been avoiding the police since the death of their daughter.[citation needed]

Boulder police dismissed the possibility that an intruder had somehow slipped inside the house and committed the murder because they could not find any evidence of anyone breaking in. Instead, District Attorney Alex Hunter leaked information to the media.[citation needed] Meanwhile, the Ramseys had themselves retained a public relations firm and repeatedly appeared on national television to plead their case.

Statements were given to the media by John Ramsey's ex-wife, brother, and sister-in-law. They categorically deny that John Ramsey is, or has ever been, a child abuser. To further defend the claims, John Ramsey's son, John Andrew, and elder daughter, Melinda, told interviewers that their father had always been a loving and gentle person who "cherished" his children and had never abused them in any way. Both children were interviewed as possible suspects in the murder but were later cleared.

In 2004, investigators began to emphasize an intruder theory. Throughout the investigation, the Ramseys maintained their innocence.

Even after the false confession, extradition, and later release of John Mark Karr, JonBenét's murder remains unsolved. Charges have not been filed against anyone.

However, in July 2008 John Ramsey and his late wife Patsy were officially cleared of the death by the Boulder District Attorney's office, based on new DNA evidence collected from JonBenet's clothing; this particular DNA analysis did not exist at the time of the killing.[7]
I know the aforementioned article said they are cleared but the whole situation is ludicrous .
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I agree but what do you think happened?
 
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hog88 said:
The brother did it and the parents covered it up. The brother spent several years in and out of institutions after the murder.
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Always had suspicions about the brother and/or the father together. The ransom note itself seemed like something a middle schooler would write - just bizarro demands i.e. who asks for $118k?? The girl never seemed like a child but more like a carefully shaped plaything for the mother, and maybe the others too.

The case may never be solved officially but somebody somewhere knows something. I remember that freakazoid Karr claiming he did it.
 
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Sandvol said:
Just about this time every year I think about this case. Amazing that there was never any justice for this little girl.
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This time of year I eat gingersnaps and think about how sexy Markie Post was on Night Court. Then I go tO bed.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
This time of year I eat gingersnaps and think about how sexy Markie Post was on Night Court. Then I go tO bed.
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There's a name I haven't heard in about 25 years. I agree, she was something back in the day. Similar to the blonde chick from We've got it made. Teri Copley ?
 
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Vegas_Ferguson said:
Always had suspicions about the brother and/or the father together. The ransom note itself seemed like something a middle schooler would write - just bizarro demands i.e. who asks for $118k?? The girl never seemed like a child but more like a carefully shaped plaything for the mother, and maybe the others too.

The case may never be solved officially but somebody somewhere knows something. I remember that freakazoid Karr claiming he did it.
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Karr is #1 on the all time list of douchebags.
 
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Vegas_Ferguson said:
Always had suspicions about the brother and/or the father together. The ransom note itself seemed like something a middle schooler would write - just bizarro demands i.e. who asks for $118k?? The girl never seemed like a child but more like a carefully shaped plaything for the mother, and maybe the others too.

The case may never be solved officially but somebody somewhere knows something. I remember that freakazoid Karr claiming he did it.
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The ransom note was bizarre. One thing that did come out later was the $118,000 was the amount of Christmas bonus John had gotten. What was the purpose of the note and how did it fit into the case? Did you ever read the note? The brother Burke never made sense as a suspect. He was too young.
 
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Sandvol said:
The ransom note was bizarre. One thing that did come out later was the $118,000 was the amount of Christmas bonus John had gotten. What was the purpose of the note and how did it fit into the case? Did you ever read the note? The brother Burke never made sense as a suspect. He was too young.
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Did not remember the $118k was John's bonus. So long I have forgot a lot of details.

If you accept the supposition of the police investigation that there was no intruder, it cuts the suspect list to three. The mom is the least likely. A possible scenario i thought was JB was being abused, the brother either saw this accidentally or was intentionally included as a player in the abuse. He attempted to imitate what he saw, JB resisted. He had a fit of rage. Young kids even at age 9 can do a lot of damage.

But this suggests the authorities didn't bungle the whole thing to begin with. Add politics and a moneyed white enclave, who knows what went on in that house for years.
 
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Vegas_Ferguson said:
Did not remember the $118k was John's bonus. So long I have forgot a lot of details.

If you accept the supposition of the police investigation that there was no intruder, it cuts the suspect list to three. The mom is the least likely. A possible scenario i thought was JB was being abused, the brother either saw this accidentally or was intentionally included as a player in the abuse. He attempted to imitate what he saw, JB resisted. He had a fit of rage. Young kids even at age 9 can do a lot of damage.

But this suggests the authorities didn't bungle the whole thing to begin with. Add politics and a moneyed white enclave, who knows what went on in that house for years.
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That is a theory I've thought of before but the examiner stated that Jon Benet was hit with enough force to fell a full grown man. I just have a hard time believing a 9 year old did that. Yes, I agree too that Patsy is the least likely suspect. If you believe there was an intruder you have to totally discount what the police believe about an intruder but of course they bungled the case entirely. Then you have John Ramsey's children from previous marriage and his ex-wife who state he was a devoted and loving father and a gentle man. If Burke bashed her skull how does the note, the strangulation, and the 911 call play into it?
 
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Didn't the note match Patsy's handwriting? And wasn't there strong speculation that the mom killed her because the little girl wet her bed?
 
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davethevol said:
Didn't the note match Patsy's handwriting? And wasn't there strong speculation that the mom killed her because the little girl wet her bed?
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Well, handwriting analysis is not an exact science. Not even as much so as polygraph experts. There is no peer reviewed studies on hand writing analysis that I know of. But, that said, six hand writing examiners examined the note. The first two were hired by Ramsey's camp. Their conclusion was John didn't write the note and Patsy can't be excluded. After that the state's examiners examined the note and came to the exact same conclusions. One question I've had is why would Patsy kill her daughter and then write a ransom note on her own stationery with her own pen and then make the 911 call? And, then what was the purpose of the ransom note if the body was still in the house? (Also, according to police reports there was no evidence that JBR wet her bed that night. There were urine stains on her pajamas from the autopsy report but not on the sheets.)
 
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Why would law enforcement exonerate one individual and blame another based on a pseudo science that many judges won't even allow to be admitted in court?
 
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Vegas_Ferguson said:
Did not remember the $118k was John's bonus. So long I have forgot a lot of details.

If you accept the supposition of the police investigation that there was no intruder, it cuts the suspect list to three. The mom is the least likely. A possible scenario i thought was JB was being abused, the brother either saw this accidentally or was intentionally included as a player in the abuse. He attempted to imitate what he saw, JB resisted. He had a fit of rage. Young kids even at age 9 can do a lot of damage.

But this suggests the authorities didn't bungle the whole thing to begin with. Add politics and a moneyed white enclave, who knows what went on in that house for years.
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One other problem I have with your Burke theory is it is much easier for a molester to have his victim "keep a secret" if only he and the victim are involved. If there is another child player involved then it is more difficult to keep the secret.
 
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Ransom Note
Document Analysis

Such a strange note and actually it's the longest ransom note ever written in a kidnapping case. A group of FBI agents profile said that the hand writing on the note was "a well-educated female between the ages of 29 and 40 who knew the family and knew the home well; they further deduced that JonBenet was already dead when the RN was written. The caring and nurturing language in the note--"be well rested," etc. helped convince them the writer was female."
JonBenet Ramsey Case Encyclopedia / Who Wrote the Ransom Note

Also, check out this Patsy Ramsey handwriting sample from a pageant entry form..
http://blabbieville.tripod.com/entryforumsample2.gif
Notice how both the 'a' and the 's' in the name "Ramsey" from this and the ransom note match. The top of the s is missing. Not exact but there are definite similarities with the 'R' as well.

This next site contains graphic photos and the autopsy report as well.
*warning*
crimescene-thebody.htm

The 911 tape is odd..
http://www.acandyrose.com/patsy911-FFJ.mp3

Don't think about it too much and look at these facts..
- There was no evidence of a break in that anyone could find.
- Jonbenet's body was found in the basement of her own house.
- Jonbenet was killed in her own house.
- Everything involved with her murder came from that house.
- Everything involved with the ransom note came from that house.

One or more of the 3 people in that house that night killed her and one or more of the 3 helped cover it up.
 
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