Joey Halzle linked to Florida offensive coordinator job

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McDad said:
How do you define "elite" defense?
How do you define "succeed"?

Can the offense "succeed" but the game still be lost?
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How do you define "elite" defense?
Top 14 in scoring defense. Probably has top 20 total defense and 3rd down efficiency. So, we're talking defense in the 90th percentile of all D1 teams. We played three and lost all three though one was good offensive production (see below).

How do you define "succeed"?
Success is contingent upon winning games. Complimentary football is important. It's not all on the offense or the defense. But we have way too many three and outs or short possessions against the better teams we play, which puts our defense constantly with their backs to the wall.

Can the offense "succeed" but the game still be lost?
Yes. See UGA this year. But you know as well as I do those are rare games in the SEC.
 
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wmcovol said:
The biggest concern I have is the lack of focus on the details on offense they had at times during the season. It took a complete fiasco at Alabama to fix the penalty situations. Missed assignments still occurred too often. Huge plays were lost all thru the season cause of basic fundamental mistakes.
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And that will prevent chances of winning those big games. That's been a gripe of mine. His teams aren't as deep as those Tier 1 teams so everything must be perfect with execution and it looked worse as the season progressed. I dont expect it to change bc that's just who he is and has been as a coach. Better get an elite defense if that's the path he's going to continue on.
 
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UT97Vol said:
How do you define "elite" defense?
Top 10-12 in scoring defense. Probably has top 20 total defense and 3rd down efficiency. So, we're talking defense in the 90th percentile. We played three and lost all three though one was good offensive production (see below).

How do you define "succeed"?
Success is contingent upon winning games. Complimentary football is important. It's not all on the offense or the defense. But we have way too many three and outs or short possessions against the better teams we play, which puts our defense constantly with their backs to the wall.

Can the offense "succeed" but the game still be lost?
Yes. See UGA this year. But you know as well as I do those are rare games in the SEC.
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For us to affirm or refute the discussion points, we need to find:
- games against defenses which are top 10-12 in scoring stops, top 20 in 3rd down efficiency over the last 5 years?
Does that defensive ranking need to be at the time we played the opponent or an end of year calculation?
- games we won or at least had a good showing offensively. Can you provide the parameters of good showing (points, yards, effeciency, etc)?
 
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McDad said:
For us to affirm or refute the discussion points, we need to find:
- games against defenses which are top 10-12 in scoring stops, top 20 in 3rd down efficiency over the last 5 years?
Does that defensive ranking need to be at the time we played the opponent or an end of year calculation?
- games we won or at least had a good showing offensively. Can you provide the parameters of good showing (points, yards, effeciency, etc)?
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Edit. Top 14 in scoring as I wanted to get that representative of the entire universe of programs.

I'm indifferent on what parameters you want to use. Time of game is not a good indicator because some teams may have played 5 games where others have played 7 at a point in the season. So, end of year I guess. With the average score in college football being roughly 28 points, your offense needs to be able to score in the 30's to consistently win. I don't care about yards. At the end of the day the only metric that matters is whether you score more than the other team. So, it needs be 30+ to consider it a successful offensive day. Otherwise, it's just an average day. Only two teams won 10 games scoring less than 30 and that was Oklahoma and Tulane.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Edit. Top 14 in scoring as I wanted to get that representative of the entire universe of programs.

I'm indifferent on what parameters you want to use. Time of game is not a good indicator because some teams may have played 5 games where others have played 7 at a point in the season. So, end of year I guess. With the average score in college football being roughly 28 points, your offense needs to be able to score in the 30's to consistently win. I don't care about yards. At the end of the day the only metric that matters is whether you score more than the other team. So, it needs be 30+ to consider it a successful offensive day. Otherwise, it's just an average day. Only two teams won 10 games scoring less than 30 and that was Oklahoma and Tulane.
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...and to verify where we started, all we need to find is one instance where the offense performed 30+ against the defensive parameters to refute your first reply to me in this thread?
 
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McDad said:
...and to verify where we started, all we need to find is one instance where the offense performed 30+ against the defensive parameters to refute your first reply to me in this thread?
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No, that's ridiculous. One game does not a season make. I highlighted how this offense fails - most of the time - to even reach 27.5 average much less 30 or 40 when we play good teams/defenses. And I've already highlighted two instances where its occurred.
 
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wmcovol said:
The biggest concern I have is the lack of focus on the details on offense they had at times during the season. It took a complete fiasco at Alabama to fix the penalty situations. Missed assignments still occurred too often. Huge plays were lost all thru the season cause of basic fundamental mistakes.
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We were fundamentally bad on both sides👍
 
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UT97Vol said:
No, that's ridiculous. One game does not a season make. I highlighted how this offense fails - most of the time - to even reach 27.5 average much less 30 or 40 when we play good teams/defenses. And I've already highlighted two instances where its occurred.
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Forgive my ridiculousness. This is your first reply to me:
UT97Vol said:
Yes, as long as the talent outmatches the talent on the defense. We have yet to see this offense succeed against an elite defense. Bama '22 perhaps is the closest. Even if we count Bama 22 that's proven to be more of an anomaly. And I would count UGA this year but obviously their defense struggled all year to some degree. In the games with good defenses...

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When you say, "we have yet to see this offense succeed against an elite defense", are those not singular? I don't see the plurality in your statement. Perhaps you intended to mean it has to happen more than once and you failed to communicate it adequately.

But going by your first post, if it is found once then it would make your statement incorrect.

So, how many times does this have to happen for you to see success?
 
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Heupel would just promote Littrell or some other Oklahoma buddy. I don’t see Haizle getting that job, but would likely be good for his career to get experience under a different coach and dispel the narrative that Heupel calls plays and runs the offense(true or not).
 
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jasonvol18 said:
He left Ohio St to go to the NFL..Why would he leave there to come here? Ohio St is the much better job, he would have stayed there if he wanted to stay in college. He absolutely hates to recruit.
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He was made the highest paid coordinator in history of the NFL. He then was fired 7-8 games in.

He has no job and he recently won a natty as OC last year.
 
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