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newyorkvol said:
The main issue remains that universities are put into this situation by NFL CBA and anti-trust agreements that prohibit entering the draft for three years after high school. The NFL enjoys a free farm system without the headaches of administering it. If there was an alternate pathway to the NFL besides college ball, this wouldn’t be as big of an issue. As college baseball is showing though, introduction of NIL money has actually drawn more hs talent back from going straight to minor leagues.
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Every level is prep for the next level. It's hard to imagine Marshall Manning somehow "needed" to move thousands of miles from his home to TN to go to high school. For whatever reason, the family chose Baylor in Chattanooga but you can bet it wasn't strictly educational, nor will his college choice be strictly educational.

Many of the NFL athletes are prepped for years to level up, often changing high schools once or twice, now changing college once or twice, and finally often being traded by teams once or twice because it's largely a business decision.

If the high revenue colleges would create a pro minor league, it would fill that gap but they'd end up losing money as interest would likely wane a bit for a minor league (as it does for baseball and basketball) so you can imagine that the colleges aren't interested in creating that league.
 
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I still say it is a matter of time before big donors stop giving their money for their teams. They will give money for a contracted piece of the action.
Someone (foreign sovereign accounts, for example) will eventually buy a college football team and stack it with the best players at all positions.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Actually, UT Athletics and most of the SEC and B1G should be actively preparing and working toward separating from their schools and forming a pro league, preparing collective bargaining, choosing a commissioner, and leave REAL college athletics alone at schools which have chosen not to become multi-million dollar businesses before they ruin it for lots of non revenue sport athletes.

They won't because they don't actually give a dang about college nor athletes who would rather be just students but they do care a lot about how much money they're making from "college sports" with their highly paid "oh yeah, I graduated so classes aren't a thing now" athletes.
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They do care about students. The non athletes don't have entertainment value, tho.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I still say it is a matter of time before big donors stop giving their money for their teams. They will give money for a contracted piece of the action.
Someone (foreign sovereign accounts, for example) will eventually buy a college football team and stack it with the best players at all positions.
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No sign of that happening.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I still say it is a matter of time before big donors stop giving their money for their teams. They will give money for a contracted piece of the action.
Someone (foreign sovereign accounts, for example) will eventually buy a college football team and stack it with the best players at all positions.
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No, that's some Maddog 20/20 level hallucination. Donors always give money for tax write-offs. Teams are already accumulating talent. But no one is going to buy an entire college team. Good lordt man....
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Every level is prep for the next level. It's hard to imagine Marshall Manning somehow "needed" to move thousands of miles from his home to TN to go to high school. For whatever reason, the family chose Baylor in Chattanooga but you can bet it wasn't strictly educational, nor will his college choice be strictly educational.

Many of the NFL athletes are prepped for years to level up, often changing high schools once or twice, now changing college once or twice, and finally often being traded by teams once or twice because it's largely a business decision.

If the high revenue colleges would create a pro minor league, it would fill that gap but they'd end up losing money as interest would likely wane a bit for a minor league (as it does for baseball and basketball) so you can imagine that the colleges aren't interested in creating that league.
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Peyton has a home in Chattanooga area. He may be planning on living there full time now.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I still say it is a matter of time before big donors stop giving their money for their teams. They will give money for a contracted piece of the action.
Someone (foreign sovereign accounts, for example) will eventually buy a college football team and stack it with the best players at all positions.
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Institutional investors are already trying to buy into the Big 10 and I believe the Big 12.Only Michigan and USC turned it down. The study said that college foorball was undervalued by billions. Ripe for investment.Corporations already pay big money to name the fields and arena’s in their company name. It doesn’t take much imagination to see how companies would love to have their name attached to a successful college team…. “The Food Lion Tennessee Volunteers”, etc.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I still say it is a matter of time before big donors stop giving their money for their teams. They will give money for a contracted piece of the action.
Someone (foreign sovereign accounts, for example) will eventually buy a college football team and stack it with the best players at all positions.
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Or it could go something like this. The big money dries up and college players no longer get the big bucks.
 
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cgrish said:
Or it could go something like this. The big money dries up and college players no longer get the big bucks.
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So you're saying no more TV contracts? You all have some wild imaginations. I am honestly curious why the uproar over players getting a share of the money they generate, but there is barely a peep when coaches get paid millions. Why does a coach getting paid 7-8 million / year, need a car allowance? Seriously, why? I would much rather coaches get paid a few million less.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
So you're saying no more TV contracts? You all have some wild imaginations. I am honestly curious why the uproar over players getting a share of the money they generate, but there is barely a peep when coaches get paid millions. Why does a coach getting paid 7-8 million / year, need a car allowance? Seriously, why? I would much rather coaches get paid a few million less.
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I agree. Let's cap coaches and players salaries.
Let's cap team monies as well. Contracts for everyone.
One time transfer rule. You or your new team is responsible for your buy out monies.
If you wish to transfer a second or third time you would be ineligible to play for one season.
Same for coaches ( unless they are fired)
No cars, no houses, no jewelry.. You've got money buy your own swag.
The transfer portal would not be open until the final game of the college season. 4 weeks to make your move.
Absolutely zero contact with players or coaches during the season. Negotiations would begin when the transfer portal opens and end when the portal closes.
Let's clean up some of this nonsense
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Zues1 said:
I agree. Let's cap coaches and players salaries.
Let's cap team monies as well. Contracts for everyone.
One time transfer rule. You or your new team is responsible for your buy out monies.
If you wish to transfer a second or third time you would be ineligible to play for one season.
Same for coaches ( unless they are fired)
No cars, no houses, no jewelry.. You've got money buy your own swag.
The transfer portal would not be open until the final game of the college season. 4 weeks to make your move.
Absolutely zero contact with players or coaches during the season. Negotiations would begin when the transfer portal opens and end when the portal closes.
Let's clean up some of this nonsense
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Cool. Now, imagine if some random dude walked up to you and made these suggestions for your income and ability to switch jobs.
 
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GAVol said:
Cool. Now, imagine if some random dude walked up to you and made these suggestions for your income and ability to switch jobs.
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Whole thing is screwed up. NIL can’t be for playing a sport but it is for playing a sport. Allow NIL to be for playing, probably opens up more money for athletes as well. Allow schools to sign enforceable contracts and pay athletes as employees. I’m not against players getting paid. It’s preposterous that they weren’t being paid. But at the same time it’s a mess for programs to deal with. Give them some protections as well.
 
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GAVol said:
Cool. Now, imagine if some random dude walked up to you and made these suggestions for your income and ability to switch jobs.
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Im not an entertainer walking away with millions of dollars when I didn't get more playing time.
Nor did I choose that line of work
 
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DaddyChad said:
Whole thing is screwed up. NIL can’t be for playing a sport but it is for playing a sport. Allow NIL to be for playing, probably opens up more money for athletes as well. Allow schools to sign enforceable contracts and pay athletes as employees. I’m not against players getting paid. It’s preposterous that they weren’t being paid. But at the same time it’s a mess for programs to deal with. Give them some protections as well.
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So you're paying an employee to play football and that employee sues the school because they don't want to attend classes as it has nothing to do with their employment as a pro football player..... who do you think wins?

Or the player's union threatens to strike because they no longer want just 5 years of eligibility as a standard but 10 years...... what then?

Trying to cobble together a "it's an employee relationship but we're going to fire you after 5 years no matter what and yes, you have to be a student" situation that is legal under employee-employer law is unlikely.

The NCAA knows this already and is avoiding the "employee status" problem as much as they avoided the NIL issue. They cannot control the players as "students" and "5 year employees who automatically get fired after that" if they are employees.
 
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Zues1 said:
If that's what you call a contact between professional athletes and the University that's making sure they're paid verses the chaos currently happening at every school across the country.
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What part of the mission of a University includes owning a professional sports franchise or two?
 
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Zues1 said:
If that's what you call a contact between professional athletes and the University that's making sure they're paid verses the chaos currently happening at every school across the country.
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What contract? The schools don't have them. It's the last thing they want. They would rather face death by 1,000 paper cuts than take what they perceived as a quick nuclear loss by granting employee status and collective bargaining.
 
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