Joe Milton Throw by Throw Breakdown

#51
#51
I completely disagree. Worst running qb I have seen on the hill including Casey clausen, at least Casey didn’t turn around and back into the hit. Jg not good runner, but at least he didn’t back up into the hit. He had one run against a high school defense that he did well and that was the second rushing td that he should have handed off to the back

Protecting his body on a run didn't bother me. He's easily not the worst running quarterback that has played on the Hill. If you have a problem with his "toughness" because he turned his back on a hit, that's fine. I didn't love that he didn't just punch through for the first down on one of his longer runs and instead tried to bounce outside. That is correctable.

He runs better than JG, whether you want to admit it or not. He's not a true "dual-threat" guy, but even counting sacks he averaged over three yards a carry last night.
 
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I would bet that hooker would have had 140 yards rushing against bowling green. I’m not a fan of a running qb, I just can’t stand these people acting like his runs were anywhere near special. Too many people see his size and that he is black and just pigeon hole him into duel threat title when he has done nothing to show throughout his career that he is anything spectacular as a duel threat.
 
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It’s the throws he didn’t make that worry me.
I can’t believe all them times he standing there holding the ball there wasn’t someone to throw to. Vision? Lack of confidence?
Good QBs need a narrow window to complete passes, average ones don’t attempt to throw into narrow windows
This. It was ugly and embarrassing. Too many times he had guys wide open. A few times he could have checked down, but chose to take sack, run, or throw the deep ball.

There is no sugar coating his performance. Everything he done last night, he did at a Michigan, which is why he's here. It'll only get worse against better competition.
 
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The hate is cause he aint the 3rd string qb.


I was there...his performance was lack luster. But there's no doubt he has oodles of throwing talent. Im not as impressed with him as a runner.


I hope that the faster receivers will run under those deep throws. Tillman isnt a turtle but Hyatt and Jones are faster.

With that said...im.much more worried about this season than i was 12 hours ago



Of course i look back to the opener in 2018 and pray that im over reacting..
Seems funny to me. ON the designed runs I thought he looked good. But when the play breaks down and he had to scramble he looked less sure of himself.
Like reading the defense rather than just taking off.
Maybe its just me.
 
#56
#56
There's a lot of intangibles that QB ratings can't measure. This was a very good performance by Joe and far superior than most of JGs starts. He showed leadership, managed the game well and had good command of the offense. I don't thing JG showed all of those skills in but a few games. I may have been a little heavy handed in my post but I was not a JG fan. He simply did not have the skills to be a successful SEC QB.

That's why I said "based on QBR" in my original post.
 
#57
#57
"Buying time" in the pocket? Considering BG's pathetic pass rush, he could gotten his mail there.
 
#58
#58
You put a positive spin on all the plays you saw. Milton missed on every deep throw he made including the TD pass.

Also, instead of just judging the actual throw, look at the field and the options Milton had. I guarantee holding the ball for a full minute only to throw a 6 yard pass, even if the throw was on target, is not something to look positively on. Milton went through his reads too slowly and did not scan his options well enough. He didn't have any touch and did not lead his receivers. Just plain bad
 
#59
#59
You ever seen a QB with deader feet than Milton? Literally his feet are in stone until he decides to move. Most really good QBs at any level are keeping a beat in those feet until they set and throw.

I never understood the idea that a QB ought to bounce on his feet in the pocket. Is that what runners do on a starting line at the track, bounce to get a fast start? No.
 
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#60
Sigh. Peyton Manning threw 3? 4? interceptions against FL in one half, as I remember.

He's trash. Should've benched him. Not ready for the SEC.
First off, Peyton was playing against a great team with athletes all over the field. Not some scrub ass BG team thats one of the worst in the country. Second JM hasn't actually provided anything to hand him the keys and say go win me a championship. Peyton had it. So far this dude does not and its not real likely he will. In my opinion. Bad games happen all the time. He was bad at Michigan, with or without an injury and he so far in 1 game is doing exactly the same things he lost the job @Michigan for.
 
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The touchdown pass to Tillman was well-covered. Wasn‘t thrown at the vertical apex and most SEC backs intercept that. Tillman saved Milton there.
Youre 100% correct. Tillman had the guy beat and Milton waited way too long to let that ball go. He does that against even the worst SEC team and it's an INT
 
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Lots to improve on, but I am glad we are going into the Pitt game knowing we have to play better. 1st games are always tricky when the live bullets start flying. We need that ol saying the most improvement is between the first and second game prove to be right. We had some positive things happen out there and we had some things to work on especially in the passing game. One thing he had plenty of time as they dropped everybody back, I think Miltons biggest problem was trying to make the perfect big play instead of taking what they gave him. He took one sack that was totally on him, he had all day and plenty of room and he sat there like a statue and let the coverage slowly swarm him up till it was too late. If he had used the room around him and moved around a little he had plenty of time to run or throw. We finally got the O-Line protecting and Milton didn't take advantage of the space near enough. GBO!!!!!
 
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I had hoped for Milton to be successful, even though my choice was Harrison Bailey. I had accepted the premise that Heupel was a developer of QBs, so he must be seeing something in practice.

After watching the game, I believe he saw a practice player, but not a gamer. Milton can throw the ball hard, but that does not make him, or anyone else, a QB. He has no touch. He cannot make decisions. He holds the ball way too long; wearing out his OL and the receivers run out of room while he is holding the ball and stares down his receiver.

His running ability was way overhyped. He started great, but went down hill very fast. The longer he played, the worse he got.

I was very excited about our team, and I did see some good things from offense and defense, but if Milton is to be the QB that JH hangs onto like JP hung onto JG. it will be a long. disappointing season.

Also, in his sort stint, Hooker looked like Milton II. These two will take the heart out of our team.
Tell me you’re an HB fan boy without telling me you’re an HB fan boy
 
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Pass 1: Throws on 2nd down and 9 to Jacob Warren after rolling out. Nice throw, pass was good for 4 yards.
Pass 2: Throws on 3rd and 5, hits Jalen Hyatt on a comeback route, stayed in pocket, good for 6 yards and a first down.
Pass 3: Threw on 1st and 10 to Javonta Payton at the sideline. Accurate throw, good for 6 yards.
Pass 4: Very next play, short throw to Javonta Payton again on the sideline, good for first down and then some.
Pass 5: 2nd down throw down the left sideline incomplete. Threw it too high for receiver Hyatt. However, there was a personal foul that may have impacted the throw. Play was negated

Pass 6: Scrambles outside of the pocket, extends the play, hits Fant on the sideline, accurate throw. Good for 6 yards.
Pass 7: 1st and 10. Overthrows Cedric Tillman by at least 7 yards. Tillman beat the DBs, but still an overthrow by Milton.
Pass 8: Short throw to Hyatt. Accurate, but Hyatt tackled immediately. Good for about 6 yards.
Pass 9: 1st and 10. Has an absurd amount of time, throws a strike to Hyatt on the left sideline, Hyatt makes a man miss gets the 1st and more.

Pass 10: Scrambles outside of the pocket, gives a strike to Jalen Hyatt across the middle of the field, again, absurd amount of time to throw.
Pass 11: Pass complete to Velus Jones, however, threw it a bit behind him, which led to an early tackle, and not much positive yardage or space to run. (This play was negated by a holding penalty)
Pass 12: Completed pass to Cedric Tillman, hit him right in the numbers, good for 8 yards. (The next play was the one where Tiyon was in the middle of the field wide open jumping up and down waving his arms, but Joe instead took a sack, leading to 4th down.)

Pass 13: Threw an absolute bullet across the middle of the field to Hyatt. Hit Hyatt in between the numbers but it was too hot to handle and Hyatt dropped it.
Pass 14: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball out of bounds. Play was negated due to flag.
Pass 15: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball into end zone. Gave Tillman a chance to catch it, but a Hail Mary is just about getting it there. There were 4 white jerseys surrounding Tillman.

End of 1st Half

Pass 16: Has all day to throw on 1st and 10. Overthrows Tillman by maybe 1-2 yards on what would have been a touchdown.
Pass 17: Threw to the sideline to Javonta Payton. Pass was caught, but with a foot out of bounds, therefore incomplete. This led to a 4th down.
Pass 18: Overthrew Tillman again down the right sideline, however, pass interference was called. Tillman had a shot at it had the defense played it clean.
Pass 19: Had all day to throw, scrambled to the left, threw to Hyatt about 6 yards downfield, but Hyatt caught it out of bounds.
Pass 20: Scrambled right, threw to the end zone at Hyatt, accurate pass, but the DB played it well and swatted it.
Pass 21: Threw to the endzone to Tillman from about the 12 yard line. Threw it too far to the front shoulder instead of the back shoulder. Jordan Rodgers commented about throwing it too far ahead. Incomplete.
Pass 22: Hit Hyatt perfectly right in front of the end zone, most likely would have been a touchdown. Hyatt dropped it, and he knew it too.
Pass 23: Threw to Velus Jones across midfield. Pass hit dirt, appeared too low. Incomplete. However, pass interference was called, so it's hard to blame it on either Milton or Jones.
Pass 24: Absolutely perfect 40 yard strike to Tillman in the end zone. Did a good job buying time in the pocket, and beautiful throw.

I realize all of this is basically my interpretation of his performance. I can't speak to how plays were supposed to go, or even which receivers were open that he missed, since TV didn't always show that.

But when I look at the passes he actually threw, he had an overthrow to Tillman that would have been a touchdown had he scaled back just a smidge (Tillman had his man beat). He had at least two throws that were impacted by pass interference or a personal foul. He had two perfect passes that were dropped by Hyatt. He overthrew Tillman by a yard or 2. He threw passes too far to the sidelines, just enough to where the receiver had to step out of bounds.

I can't comment on his rushing ability either. I don't know what plays were designed runs, and what he improvised. And I know there were some plays where he missed open receivers.

But, after watching it all a second time, I can't see where the hate is coming from. He had about two overthrows that could have been TDs. If he places that ball 3 feet behind Tillman on his back shoulder instead of his front, he would have had another TD. And had Hyatt not dropped the one on the 3 yard line, he would have had another.

Milton could have easily had a very different stat line in this game. Initially I was disappointed in his performance. But after watching it again? His throws were miles above what we were used to seeing from JG. He was throwing the ball accurately for the most part, and when he was off, he was not off by much. And aside from the fumble, he took care of the football. I didn't see any passes that I thought were "dangerous" passes, i.e. throwing into double coverage.

It's obvious he has a connection with Tillman, and if that timing and connection gets stronger, holy crap, that could be magic.

Milton won't have all day to throw like he did today in other games. But I think that may help him, as sometimes he took too long to make decisions, and then went for more ambitious throws than he should have.

My point? I don't think it was as bad as it seemed. He threw well. Not perfectly. But well. The receivers need to step up their game. And it's also obvious we tried hard to establish the running game.

I think it'll be alright. Next week will show us much more about who this team is. GBO. So nice to see the Orange and White back in Neyland again.

Nice recap. Disagree with #24 pass. Pass was a low bullet and the WR made a hell of catch on a ugly pass.
 
#66
#66
So, his incomplete passes:
1. Overthrow by about 7 yards into the end zone to Tillman.
2. Hyatt dropped pass.
3. Hail Mary pass at the end of the half.
4. Overthrew Tillman by maybe 2 yards or less.
5. Payton caught pass out of bounds.
6. Hyatt caught out of bounds
7. DB played it well and swatted it away.
8. Threw to Tillman's front shoulder instead of back shoulder.
9. Hyatt dropped an absolute dime right in front of the goal line.
10. Pass was high to Hyatt, but there was a penalty on the play
11. Threw it short to Velus, but it was a PI call, so not sure if Velus would have caught it.

Again, my interpretation....but those could have very easily gone the other way.

#2 was followed by a very poorly executed run play, leaving third and long and killing momentum.

#9 hurt badly as well.

Both those balls have to be caught.
 
#69
#69
Protecting his body on a run didn't bother me. He's easily not the worst running quarterback that has played on the Hill. If you have a problem with his "toughness" because he turned his back on a hit, that's fine. I didn't love that he didn't just punch through for the first down on one of his longer runs and instead tried to bounce outside. That is correctable.

He runs better than JG, whether you want to admit it or not. He's not a true "dual-threat" guy, but even counting sacks he averaged over three yards a carry last night.

This, he even shed a tackle and then laid down a nice stiff arm on one of his TDs. I wouldnt exactly call him Deshaun Watson, but what i saw hes miles ahead of anything JG ever did rushing wise. Hopefully he can grow in regards to seeing the field tho and put more touch on the ball.
 
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#70
There's a lot of intangibles that QB ratings can't measure. This was a very good performance by Joe and far superior than most of JGs starts. He showed leadership, managed the game well and had good command of the offense. I don't thing JG showed all of those skills in but a few games. I may have been a little heavy handed in my post but I was not a JG fan. He simply did not have the skills to be a successful SEC QB.
This wasn't a good much less "very good" performance by Milton. He missed opportunities. He was off target on several throws.

I'm not turning on him or saying he cannot improve. But this was not a "good" performance. If UT had not been able to run it down their throats (which would have been true with either of the others) then they wouldn't have beaten even BGSU. UT needs MUCH better from the QB position.
 
#71
#71
From a QBR standpoint, it's actually worse than most of JG's performances.
@BeardedVol, you are correct. Milton finished the BGU game with a 31.4 QBR. JG had a lower QBR in 6 games from 2018-2020. Five of the six games with a lower QBR were SEC opponents and the sixth one was a bowl game. TN was 4-2 in those games.

Joe Milton
vs. BGU: QBR (per ESPN) 31.4

Jarrett Guarantano
2020
vs SC: 68.6
vs MIZZ: 85.3
vs UGA: 37.9
vs UK: 3.8 (UT won)
vs ALA: 82.6
vs ARK: 80.2
vs AUB: 41.6
Season average QBR 54.3

2019
vs GA St 38.6
vs BYU 62.7
vs UTC 99.1
vs FLA 24.3 (UT lost)
vs UGA 76.0
vs MS St 99.1
vs ALA 45.6
vs SC 93.0
vs UAB 45.3
vs UK 97.5
vs MIZZ 93.0
vs Vandy 42.8
Season average QBR (regular season) 66.9
vs IN in bowl game 16.6 (UT won)

2018
vs WVU 61.4
vs ETSU 73.6
vs UTEP 71.8
vs FLA 56.9
vs UGA 61.4
vs AUB 94.7
vs ALA 11.3 (only attempted 10 passes and played less than 2 qtrs) (UT lost)
vs SC 69.4
vs Char 72.8
vs UK 92.0
vs Mizz 0.2 (only attempted two passes and played first 3 series) (UT won)
vs Vandy 21.2 (UT won)

Season average QBR 68.0
 
#72
#72
So maybe we can put the “dual-threat” fantasy to bed. He’s not. He never was.

Big arm, no touch, holds the ball too long, can’t read the field. Groundhogs day for Vol fans.

I think Milton has promise, but he’s no program changer. I trust Heupel to find it, or make the necessary adjustment.

It’s the first game, and the guy got here this summer. Too soon for the panic button.
I doubt he’s going to change at this point honestly. Might get a little better performance as year goes on but probably is what he is at this point. Against better opponents he would’ve been sacked multiple times and had at least one INT if not multiple ones.
 
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I doubt he’s going to change at this point honestly. Might get a little better performance as year goes on but probably is what he is at this point. Against better opponents he would’ve been sacked multiple times and had at least one INT if not multiple ones.
I shudder to think what Bama would have done to him with that type of performance.

Regardless....it’s too early to shut the book on him. Let’s see what Heupel does. But at least we can turn down all the “Cam Newton”, “dual-threat” noise that was being espoused last week.

This was always going to be a work-in-progress year. We’re going to see some good things, and some letdowns. But I believe this coach will get us on the right track with a little time.
 
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#74
Pass 1: Throws on 2nd down and 9 to Jacob Warren after rolling out. Nice throw, pass was good for 4 yards.
Pass 2: Throws on 3rd and 5, hits Jalen Hyatt on a comeback route, stayed in pocket, good for 6 yards and a first down.
Pass 3: Threw on 1st and 10 to Javonta Payton at the sideline. Accurate throw, good for 6 yards.
Pass 4: Very next play, short throw to Javonta Payton again on the sideline, good for first down and then some.
Pass 5: 2nd down throw down the left sideline incomplete. Threw it too high for receiver Hyatt. However, there was a personal foul that may have impacted the throw. Play was negated

Pass 6: Scrambles outside of the pocket, extends the play, hits Fant on the sideline, accurate throw. Good for 6 yards.
Pass 7: 1st and 10. Overthrows Cedric Tillman by at least 7 yards. Tillman beat the DBs, but still an overthrow by Milton.
Pass 8: Short throw to Hyatt. Accurate, but Hyatt tackled immediately. Good for about 6 yards.
Pass 9: 1st and 10. Has an absurd amount of time, throws a strike to Hyatt on the left sideline, Hyatt makes a man miss gets the 1st and more.

Pass 10: Scrambles outside of the pocket, gives a strike to Jalen Hyatt across the middle of the field, again, absurd amount of time to throw.
Pass 11: Pass complete to Velus Jones, however, threw it a bit behind him, which led to an early tackle, and not much positive yardage or space to run. (This play was negated by a holding penalty)
Pass 12: Completed pass to Cedric Tillman, hit him right in the numbers, good for 8 yards. (The next play was the one where Tiyon was in the middle of the field wide open jumping up and down waving his arms, but Joe instead took a sack, leading to 4th down.)

Pass 13: Threw an absolute bullet across the middle of the field to Hyatt. Hit Hyatt in between the numbers but it was too hot to handle and Hyatt dropped it.
Pass 14: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball out of bounds. Play was negated due to flag.
Pass 15: 0:01 on the clock before the half. Threw ball into end zone. Gave Tillman a chance to catch it, but a Hail Mary is just about getting it there. There were 4 white jerseys surrounding Tillman.

End of 1st Half

Pass 16: Has all day to throw on 1st and 10. Overthrows Tillman by maybe 1-2 yards on what would have been a touchdown.
Pass 17: Threw to the sideline to Javonta Payton. Pass was caught, but with a foot out of bounds, therefore incomplete. This led to a 4th down.
Pass 18: Overthrew Tillman again down the right sideline, however, pass interference was called. Tillman had a shot at it had the defense played it clean.
Pass 19: Had all day to throw, scrambled to the left, threw to Hyatt about 6 yards downfield, but Hyatt caught it out of bounds.
Pass 20: Scrambled right, threw to the end zone at Hyatt, accurate pass, but the DB played it well and swatted it.
Pass 21: Threw to the endzone to Tillman from about the 12 yard line. Threw it too far to the front shoulder instead of the back shoulder. Jordan Rodgers commented about throwing it too far ahead. Incomplete.
Pass 22: Hit Hyatt perfectly right in front of the end zone, most likely would have been a touchdown. Hyatt dropped it, and he knew it too.
Pass 23: Threw to Velus Jones across midfield. Pass hit dirt, appeared too low. Incomplete. However, pass interference was called, so it's hard to blame it on either Milton or Jones.
Pass 24: Absolutely perfect 40 yard strike to Tillman in the end zone. Did a good job buying time in the pocket, and beautiful throw.

I realize all of this is basically my interpretation of his performance. I can't speak to how plays were supposed to go, or even which receivers were open that he missed, since TV didn't always show that.

But when I look at the passes he actually threw, he had an overthrow to Tillman that would have been a touchdown had he scaled back just a smidge (Tillman had his man beat). He had at least two throws that were impacted by pass interference or a personal foul. He had two perfect passes that were dropped by Hyatt. He overthrew Tillman by a yard or 2. He threw passes too far to the sidelines, just enough to where the receiver had to step out of bounds.

I can't comment on his rushing ability either. I don't know what plays were designed runs, and what he improvised. And I know there were some plays where he missed open receivers.

But, after watching it all a second time, I can't see where the hate is coming from. He had about two overthrows that could have been TDs. If he places that ball 3 feet behind Tillman on his back shoulder instead of his front, he would have had another TD. And had Hyatt not dropped the one on the 3 yard line, he would have had another.

Milton could have easily had a very different stat line in this game. Initially I was disappointed in his performance. But after watching it again? His throws were miles above what we were used to seeing from JG. He was throwing the ball accurately for the most part, and when he was off, he was not off by much. And aside from the fumble, he took care of the football. I didn't see any passes that I thought were "dangerous" passes, i.e. throwing into double coverage.

It's obvious he has a connection with Tillman, and if that timing and connection gets stronger, holy crap, that could be magic.

Milton won't have all day to throw like he did today in other games. But I think that may help him, as sometimes he took too long to make decisions, and then went for more ambitious throws than he should have.

My point? I don't think it was as bad as it seemed. He threw well. Not perfectly. But well. The receivers need to step up their game. And it's also obvious we tried hard to establish the running game.

I think it'll be alright. Next week will show us much more about who this team is. GBO. So nice to see the Orange and White back in Neyland again.

Very well written, I have been wanting to know something like this. My only disagreement would be Pass #13, I don't think it was too hot to handle I think against a better team that is exactly how you throw that. I have written in other posts those two drops, plus one or more better passes Milton would have been the MVP.

I also wrote, I think he may be too casual in running and waiting for one route to open up. Again, I think you hit the nail on the head that he wanted something specific and did not have to worry about the rush so didn't send the ball to a wide open check down. That will change.
 
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Well, I still think he fits the "dual-threat" moniker more than JG did, but he's not Lamar Jackson in the running game, I agree.

The rest, I completely concur with.

On the news today ..... "Cam Newton plays quarterback differently than Lamar Jackson." No really.... Joe Milton is not Lamar Jackson, who in the world told you that is who he resembled? Tell me another quarterback that plays and can scramble like Lamar Jackson? What I do know is that there has not been a quarterback on the Hill since Josh Dobbs that could have pushed a defender down like he did and run to the end zone. That would be true regardless of who they were playing.
 

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