Joe Milton discussion after game 1

[508mikey]

bailey probably won't see playing time until its too late.
thats just tennessee.

just like last season - Beldar stuck with JG -- same with Butch sticking with garbage then using Dobbs to late his Freshman year

 

[BigALWiLson]

Bailey couldn’t beat out any of these guys so far.

Your right. There again no one beat out a certain unamed qb in the previous regime either. We all know he was forced down our throats. Not saying that is what is happening here but I do feel like HH should have gotten more than 1 series if he is truly the #2 and the competiton was close i you believe that from Heupel.

 

[butchna]

Where did I say that anything was "never not been true"?

Also, what does Mac Jones ending up being a good QB at Alabama have to do with Milton's performance last night from Milton?

First impressions and declarative statements and shizz like that. BeardedRollTides prolly wanted to yank his scholarship first thing first snap. How long had he been on campus?

 

[butchna]

just like last season - Beldar stuck with JG -- same with Butch sticking with garbage then using Dobbs to late his Freshman year

Freshman Dobbs wasn’t a good Dobbs. Lot of “why can’t we find a SEC QB?” threads started after that debut.

 

[griddie]

Our fans overreact entirely too much without any knowledge of football. Just because you've been a fan for 20 years or coach a flag football team doesn't qualify you as a football guru. Most of you have no idea what you're talking about.

Actually many have coached at high levels. He has no touch, no vision, struggles with accuracy, and is slow processing plays. If you didn’t see it last night then you apparently have no idea what you are talking about

 

[FranklinVFL]

BG dropped eight. They played the LBs in the short zone and safeties held two middle thirds. Not discounting Milton’s lack of touch, but we will never see that again. BG pulled the equivalent of year one Kiffin vs Alabama. When you play a team that can beat you by 35, run the clock on O, and take away one full facet on D. It was pretty smart for appearances sake. They committed to losing to avoid a blowout. Heupel has designed an offense that is based on a three option check down over 1.5 seconds. Milton was still shopping at five seconds. His passing stats are a useless data point.

That is an interesting view....if what you are saying is true, then if other teams do this, they will be leaving 3 in the box and drop 8, then our running game would have similar success.

By that same vein, what you are saying is that our coaches saw what BGSU was doing, and that is why they basically just ran it the second half....as a halftime adjustment.

Those do give me some optimism moving forward that the passing game can improve....however, stretching the field does concern me and Milton needs to get some air under those throws to give the receivers a chance to run under it. What I need to see to make me feel better:

1. Milton being on target on long throws and putting a touch on the passes
2. WRs who do not drop passes. I counted 3-4 that were catchable that were just plain dropped
3. Faster decisions to tuck and run by Milton if nothing is open
4. Milton not 'folding' as soon as he gets contacted.

Defense looked very good overall--a couple of bad series--but then again, it was BGSU and so we really did not get tested on D.

 

[theFallGuy]

Judging from last nights performance and his career at Michigan -don't think Milton's got "it". In college decent to good quarterbacks A) have good touch and B) Good QB's can anticipate the break and put the ball where it needs to be -leading the receiver or throwing the receiver open. Saw none of that last night, a good D would have had at least one pick last night. College QB just cannot throw the ball on a rope every time, makes it hard to go over the top- I THINK BAILEY would THRIVE in this Offense- What say you?
PS Hope I'm wrong about Milton, would gladly eat crow- Anybody watch any of that Heuple's old team UCF last night ?-

Think ill lean on Huepel for this decision but thanks

 

[griddie]

Great analogy

Probably not a sec caliber qb on campus & that's our problem

Totally wrong. Hooker had proven he can play at a high level at the P5 level, and Bailey completed almost 70% of his passes in the SEC last year as a true freshman with no spring and summer. So no way that’s accurate

 

[BeardedVol]

First impressions and declarative statements and shizz like that. BeardedRollTides prolly wanted to yank his scholarship first thing first snap. How long had he been on campus?

Just like that, on the ad hominem attack in leu of an actual argument; classic Butchna.

 

[butchna]

Are you ? I have seen enough good football in life to have a semblance of what a good Qb looks like when I spend money to watch them. Just sayin..

Peyton looked like crap against UCLA…and Florida…and Bama. Hell his last two games against VANDY were classic stinkers. When you run into a mud hole, you don’t spin your wheels too long. But if you get out of it, you run it through the wash after you reach your destination.

 

[HiltonHeadVol]

Timing and accuracy come with playing time. That’s never not been true. Mac Jones was a liability when he first came in for Tua…and he’d been in Tuscaloosa in the same system SURROUNDED BY EXCELLENT SUPPORTING TALENT that much longer. Worked out ok.

Good point here. And I don't think - based on Heupel's post game comments - that he will stick with Milton regardless. But the proof will come when, in about midway through the second quarter against Pitt, we get down 14 points and before the game is essentially over......will he pull Milton and give Hooker an opportunity to show what he can do in this system? If CJH will do that, then I have no complaint. But please don't stick with Milton beyond logic like has been done here for years.

 

[CA_Vol]

hopefully Milton will grow from this and improve, I noticed he had a challenge with accuracy on the long balls

I’m not making my mind up after one game, but that was the big knock on him at Michigan. Can throw it 1000 mph, but struggled with accuracy.

 

[butchna]

And just like that, on the ad hominem; classic Butchna.

Make a valid point and get back to us. If you can’t understand mine that’s been clearly stated, find a remedial thread. Heupel won’t dump his starter willy nilly. Classic Beard reaction.

 

[SGMVols]

Bailey couldn’t even get garbage time last night. That went to Hooker, clearly JH hasn’t been impressed with Bailey

I’m beginning to think Bailey was just a product of playing alongside elite talent in HS. Not many HS QBs get to throw to three Power 5 receivers. I could be misremembering but I don’t think Trevor Lawrence had that luxury when he was in HS in Georgia.

 

[FranklinVFL]

What I saw last night LIVE is going to be the exact thing you are describing. Everyone says Bailey is a statue but Milton has lead feet.

With Milton's physique, he should be a drop back, evaluate and throw...if no one is open, tuck and run. Hanging out all day in the backfield will be a recipe for disaster. He has to make quicker decisions to pick up what he can if no one is open instead of having a picnic in the backfield.

 

[butchna]

Good point here. And I don't think - based on Heupel's post game comments - that he will stick with Milton regardless. But the proof will come when, in about midway through the second quarter against Pitt, we get down 14 points and before the game is essentially over......will he pull Milton and give Hooker an opportunity to show what he can do in this system? If CJH will do that, then I have no complaint. But please don't stick with Milton beyond logic like has been done here for years.

Different animal in Knoxville. Tho he’s traditionally selected well from the beginning.

 

[VFL_JB]

Milton great practice QB like JG - Bailey on the other hand is what Allen Iverson once said about practice

I didn’t see anything from Bailey last year that leads me to believe this

 

[BeardedVol]

Make a valid point and get back to us. If you can’t understand mine that’s been clearly stated, find a remedial thread. Heupel won’t dump his starter willy nilly. Classic Beard reaction.

Was that what your interjection of Mac Jones was, in reference to Milton's career prior to UT and performance last night? Interesting.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Peyton looked like crap against UCLA…and Florida…and Bama. Hell his last two games against VANDY were classic stinkers. When you run into a mud hole, you don’t spin your wheels too long. But if you get out of it, you run it through the wash after you reach your destination.

Please dont bring up Peyton. Peyton looked worlds different than any of these kids even as a freshman. And yeah he had some absolute bad games. He also won a ton of them.

 

[FranklinVFL]

If defenses are dropping 7-8 in coverage pretty much every possession, it limits what you can do in the throw game. Decent teams won’t do that, so Milton’s numbers will look better against better competition as weird as that sounds.

If any team on our schedule drops 8 into coverage, we will just pound the rock and run it. I just worry when a team puts 7-8 in the box....not sure our QB can read and throw fast enough before he gets sacked/fumbles. If he can do that, we may e better.

 

[butchna]

Please dont bring up Peyton. Peyton looked worlds different than any of these kids even as a freshman. And yeah he had some absolute bad games. He also won a ton of them.

I’ll do what I want. Wasn’t great at the beginning…got there.

 

[Tennessteve]

Does it worry anyone else that Milton LOVES standing in the pocket flat-footed? I mean, it's great that our line is giving him all the time in the world, but he literally just stands there. It's odd.

 

[butchna]

Was that what your interjection of Mac Jones was, in reference to Milton's career prior to UT and performance last night? Interesting.

Perspective, dude! Most ain’t great from the beginning. You got some place to be?

 

[BigALWiLson]

I’ll do what I want. Wasn’t great at the beginning…got there.

you really defending the sh1t show of a qb performance ? I get sticking with the dude another game maybe even two. If it continues looking like last night and the win column turns to losses. I just hope he makes a switch

 

[walkenvol]

Did you watch Milton run ? I saw nothing HB or HH isn't capable of. Milton does not run a 4.5 no way in hell. Maybe a 4.7 like most other te bodies.

Not to pile on the newby, but I was more shocked that a guy that big would be a soft runner. Hey big guy - you weigh 240+. Lower your shoulder and make those lb’s & db’s think twice about wanting to tackle you!