JG vs Harrison Bailey

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Volanta said:
Tee martin was not a game manager QB
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Its an interesting topic. Mainly because I think people define the term differently.

A recent example is Dobbs. He had to be more than just a guy that didn't make the big mistake for his team to win games. As far as physical talent, ability and even development there wasn't a lot of difference between Dobbs and Tee. The glaring difference was the teams they were on. Tee didn't need to be Dobbs for UT to win games. He had a lot better talent around him and the defense was gonna give you a chance every nite even when you wern't productive. UT cleared the hurdle post Manning because they were more balanced on both sides of the ball, not because Tee was a better QB. Most teams get in trouble when they ask or require a QB to be better than what he really is. Once they get outside their element (or ability level) they put your team in compromising positions.
I don't know if that means Tee was a "game manager" but if he was, he did it pretty well.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
He only had 12 touchdowns, but only threw 3 interceptions.. He completed over 60% of his passes and only surpassed 200 yards twice. That's as "game manager" as it gets.
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No it isn't. That has nothing to do with being a "game manager". A game manager implies that a guy makes up for some lack of physical tools with being very good at understanding the game, reads, and decision making.
 
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sjt18 said:
The best HS competition is still many levels below the SEC. I think HB has a chance to be a good QB for UT.

HOWEVER, unless JG falls flat on his face this year or suffers a significant injury, he's next year's starter. JG is NOT... NOT... a "game manager". He his top tier arm talent. The actual weakness of his game to this point has been the "game management" or mental parts- the decision making and reads.

If Chaney, Martin, and Weinke have brought him along in those respects, JG has the physical talent and toughness to be an elite QB.
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Best case IMO.
JG has a solid year with better players around him. He comes back and has another good SR season and Bailey gets a year (and probably 4 games) to get acclimated before being thrown to the wolves.

FR QBs have bucked the trend recently of being too green physically and mentally to play early. Most of those however are playing on teams that have talent and experience around them. UT is moving that direction but not near ready for that yet.
 
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JG has an outstanding season, but NFL GM's want at least another year of production to see if he can repeat. Bailey comes in next year and redshirts (gets stronger and learns JC offense). JG has another outstanding season next year to get us to 10 wins. Bailey takes over as a RS Soph in 21' and we get him for 21', 22', 23' and we go to playoffs with him at the helm!!! Maybe even some Heisman talk!

Hey, a guy can dream right!!! :D
 
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BeecherVol said:
Best case IMO.
JG has a solid year with better players around him. He comes back and has another good SR season and Bailey gets a year (and probably 4 games) to get acclimated before being thrown to the wolves.

FR QBs have bucked the trend recently of being too green physically and mentally to play early. Most of those however are playing on teams that have talent and experience around them. UT is moving that direction but not near ready for that yet.
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I'm going to go ahead and speak heresy. Both Shrout and Maurer appear to be much more mobile than HB. Both have live arms. Both are as tall and are heavier. Both came out of HS programs where the talent surrounding them very likely suppressed their numbers.

I'm not writing HB as the starter following JG. I think either Shrout or Maurer or both will have something to say about that.
 
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JG and Bailey will never be in competition here unless you've deluded yourself into thinking he's going to come in here as a true freshman and unseat a seasoned RS senior.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm going to go ahead and speak heresy. Both Shrout and Maurer appear to be much more mobile than HB. Both have live arms. Both are as tall and are heavier. Both came out of HS programs where the talent surrounding them very likely suppressed their numbers.

I'm not writing HB as the starter following JG. I think either Shrout or Maurer or both will have something to say about that.
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Could be. Both will have multiple years in the system as a head start. Unless JG has injury issues neither will have much of an advantage in college game experience.

Until you get them all on campus together it will be hard to see the difference. Hill may end jumping both of the guys on the roster now if he's healthy. He's an X factor at the position with some live action under his belt.
 
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Have we written off Shrout and Maurer already? Both guys were highly praised when they came aboard. I'm really interested in seeing Shrout. I hope he stays.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority on this here, but no. We can't recruit like those other schools. The days of consistently pulling top 5 classes are over. How many top 5 classes have we had in the past 15 years? If you all want to live in the 90s and early 2000s that's fine, but I try to set my expectations on recent trends.
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If we start winning, you're absolutely insane to think we can't consistently pull in top 5 classes. Have to win. Alabama and Clemson certainly weren't pulling in top 5 classes year after year until they started winning too you know. We have everything those schools have except the results on the field.
 
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GAVol said:
You're probably right. Hard to keep that many QBs happy in 2020.
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Some see a possibility of JG leaving if he has a good year. I don't buy that right now.

You would enter the spring with.

JG (SR returning starter)
Maurer
Shrout
Hill (Transfer)
Bailey (Fr)

I don't see how or why they would keep 5.
 
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JG may be in the nfl possibly, that's a possibility that opens up HB to compete for starting job vs Shrout, Maurer, Hill.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Could be. Both will have multiple years in the system as a head start. Unless JG has injury issues neither will have much of an advantage in college game experience.

Until you get them all on campus together it will be hard to see the difference. Hill may end jumping both of the guys on the roster now if he's healthy. He's an X factor at the position with some live action under his belt.
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The great news is it looks like UT will have 3 guys with SEC level physical ability. Decision making and the mental part will probably separate them.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
JG and Bailey will never be in competition here unless you've deluded yourself into thinking he's going to come in here as a true freshman and unseat a seasoned RS senior.
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JG has been handicapped since he has been here with coaching/system changes and a terrible OL. He still needs to perform at a higher level if those other factors are starting to take shape before Id say never.
 
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Clemson actually has never pulled a top 5 recruiting ranking under Dabo, at least going by 24/7 rankings. In fact, they've only had 3 in the top 10 with one of those coming in 2011. Now sure, their path to a NC is easier in the ACC, but they've also been a steady supplier of NFL talent the entire time Dabo has been the HC. Proof that with the right program in place, you don't need elite recruiting classes to contend for a NC on a yearly basis, though it certainly makes things easier.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm going to go ahead and speak heresy. Both Shrout and Maurer appear to be much more mobile than HB. Both have live arms. Both are as tall and are heavier. Both came out of HS programs where the talent surrounding them very likely suppressed their numbers.

I'm not writing HB as the starter following JG. I think either Shrout or Maurer or both will have something to say about that.
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I agree.

Maurer, in particular, played extremely well with a weak supporting cast, while Bailey has had a phenomenal supporting cast. Nothing against Bailey who made some pin-point precision passes at times last night, but with the way Arik Gilbert dominated that game, I could've "thrown" for 200 yards!

(OK ... maybe not me .... but some average high school level QB.)

I've been a bit more skeptical of Shrout, whose accuracy was very pedestrian in high school, but he also only played 1 year in an offense where they aired it out ~ 67% of the time and appeared to have no real running game (other than Shrout taking off when nothing was there).

It's going to be an interesting QB competition. If I were doing betting odds, I'd probably list Bailey as the favorite, but not by much.
 
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I ve tried not to put a ton of weight in HS stats because there are a lot of variables that play into it.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority on this here, but no. We can't recruit like those other schools. The days of consistently pulling top 5 classes are over. How many top 5 classes have we had in the past 15 years? If you all want to live in the 90s and early 2000s that's fine, but I try to set my expectations on recent trends.
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I disagree. If UT can recruit in the top 15 consistently while being terrible on the field for the better part of 13 out of them 15 years, then when they start winning they'll begin to recruit like them other schools.
 
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VolDC said:
Can someone please tell me the difference between high school game speed, and SEC game speed, and then why we expect a high school kid to unseat a 3 year starter that will actually have a decent OLine by next year?
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Not sure if you watched the game but that field was stocked with SEC talent!
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I agree.

Maurer, in particular, played extremely well with a weak supporting cast, while Bailey has had a phenomenal supporting cast. Nothing against Bailey who made some pin-point precision passes at times last night, but with the way Arik Gilbert dominated that game, I could've "thrown" for 200 yards!

(OK ... maybe not me .... but some average high school level QB.)

I've been a bit more skeptical of Shrout, whose accuracy was very pedestrian in high school, but he also only played 1 year in an offense where they aired it out ~ 67% of the time and appeared to have no real running game (other than Shrout taking off when nothing was there).

It's going to be an interesting QB competition. If I were doing betting odds, I'd probably list Bailey as the favorite, but not by much.
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Yeah. My memory of Shrout's highlights were that he was running for his life half the time.

I think a high level of competition will really help.

There's something I'm starting to notice. I'm sure others have as well. Pruitt is doing a pretty good job of hitting some 3* players with talent. Burrell, Simmons, and Means have all had some buzz at some point in this camp. Several out of last year's class appear to be developing into contributors.

IMO, the "guy" who turns UT around will get more than their share of 4/5* players than a down program should get... and will find a lot more than their share of underrated 3*.
 
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LittleVol said:
So we cant recruit like those other schools??
We beat OSU last time we played because we were more talented. We beat Florida State with a game manager at QB for a National Championship...

QB battle aside- Tennessee has always been able to recruit- even while "down".
And Pruitt is bringing some serious fire back to it!

And no, Harrison Bailey will not unseat JG....
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Cuz somebody guaranteed Maurer holding that spot...amirite? 😏
 
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MaxVolnGA said:
HB did look strong last night but I think I could succeed as Marietta’s QB with all that talent on the field.
I hope HB comes in and unseats JG...because that would mean he’s that good. That’s a fairly rare feat though and I think JG will improve enough this year that it ain’t happening. JG ALSO has a lot of upside.
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I think you’d suck throwing a football. Basing that on you posting on this board when you should be throwing footballs through tires.
 
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