JG vs Harrison Bailey

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Some schools can get to the College Football Playoff with a game manager at quarterback: Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State. They can recruit at such a level that allows them to dominate the trenches and control the game. Other schools can't do that: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, TCU, Michigan State, Tennessee, etc. These schools need a playmaker at quarterback to compete at the highest level.

I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket presence, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...
 
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I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket prescience, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...
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That's next level when it comes to pre-snap read....

Don't you love how autocorrect tends to go for the less likely word?
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
Some schools can get to the College Football Playoff with a game manager at quarterback: Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State. They can recruit at such a level that allows them to dominate the trenches and control the game. Other schools can't do that: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, TCU, Michigan State, Tennessee, etc. These schools need a playmaker at quarterback to compete at the highest level.

I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket presence, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...
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What did you see last season that makes you think JG is a "game manager" QB?
 
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Who wants it?
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Vol_from_86 said:
Some schools can get to the College Football Playoff with a game manager at quarterback: Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State. They can recruit at such a level that allows them to dominate the trenches and control the game. Other schools can't do that: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, TCU, Michigan State, Tennessee, etc. These schools need a playmaker at quarterback to compete at the highest level.

I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket presence, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...
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So we cant recruit like those other schools??
We beat OSU last time we played because we were more talented. We beat Florida State with a game manager at QB for a National Championship...

QB battle aside- Tennessee has always been able to recruit- even while "down".
And Pruitt is bringing some serious fire back to it!

And no, Harrison Bailey will not unseat JG....
 
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He only had 12 touchdowns, but only threw 3 interceptions.. He completed over 60% of his passes and only surpassed 200 yards twice. That's as "game manager" as it gets.
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Underperforming your physical talent, isn't the same thing as being a "game manager" QB. Game manager QBs typically have relatively mediocre or poor individual stats, but still manage to sustain drives, and win games.

Pretty much the exact opposite of JG in 2018.
 
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Let's take a deep breath here, OP. Bailey is a great prospect and I'm over the moon he's coming to Tennessee, but the chances of him coming in and starting as a true freshman over someone who's had years in a college S&C program and a year and a half worth of knowledge of the playbook is slim to none.

Last night he missed a few pretty open targets, whether that's overthrows, thrown behind, or one-hoppers. He's still got plenty of room for improvement. Plus, he's a surrounded by a group of receivers that dwarfed the Rome defense and an offensive line that kept his jersey clean most all of the night. Not saying he's not talented, but having those pieces around you make it a lot easier.

The dude's 17 years old. Give him some time to come in, learn the playbook, beef up, and then maybe in a couple years we'll start talking about him starting.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
Some schools can get to the College Football Playoff with a game manager at quarterback: Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State. They can recruit at such a level that allows them to dominate the trenches and control the game. Other schools can't do that: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, TCU, Michigan State, Tennessee, etc. These schools need a playmaker at quarterback to compete at the highest level.

I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket presence, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...
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Vol_from_86 said:
Some schools can get to the College Football Playoff with a game manager at quarterback: Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State. They can recruit at such a level that allows them to dominate the trenches and control the game. Other schools can't do that: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, TCU, Michigan State, Tennessee, etc. These schools need a playmaker at quarterback to compete at the highest level.

I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket presence, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...
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Football season can't get here too quickly.
 
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VolDC said:
Can someone please tell me the difference between high school game speed, and SEC game speed, and then why we expect a high school kid to unseat a 3 year starter that will actually have a decent OLine by next year?
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I'm not saying it'll happen, but it does happen. Lawrence did it at Clemson last year. I'm not sure how many years their other qb played, but he left because he lost his job to a freshman.
 
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LittleVol said:
So we cant recruit like those other schools??
We beat OSU last time we played because we were more talented. We beat Florida State with a game manager at QB for a National Championship...

QB battle aside- Tennessee has always been able to recruit- even while "down".
And Pruitt is bringing some serious fire back to it!

And no, Harrison Bailey will not unseat JG....
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I'm sure I'm in the minority on this here, but no. We can't recruit like those other schools. The days of consistently pulling top 5 classes are over. How many top 5 classes have we had in the past 15 years? If you all want to live in the 90s and early 2000s that's fine, but I try to set my expectations on recent trends.
 
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LittleVol said:
So we cant recruit like those other schools??
We beat OSU last time we played because we were more talented. We beat Florida State with a game manager at QB for a National Championship...

QB battle aside- Tennessee has always been able to recruit- even while "down".
And Pruitt is bringing some serious fire back to it!

And no, Harrison Bailey will not unseat JG....
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Tee martin was not a game manager QB
 
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HB did look strong last night but I think I could succeed as Marietta’s QB with all that talent on the field.
I hope HB comes in and unseats JG...because that would mean he’s that good. That’s a fairly rare feat though and I think JG will improve enough this year that it ain’t happening. JG ALSO has a lot of upside.
 
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jps2194 said:
Huh? Perhaps we have a different definition of a "game manager".
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Sounds like it. I don't consider it a bad thing... it's just a style of play in my book. To me a game manager is a guy who plays within the system and doesn't take many chances. As long as things are going well, they are hard to beat because they don't make many mistakes.
 
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Vol_from_86 said:
Some schools can get to the College Football Playoff with a game manager at quarterback: Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State. They can recruit at such a level that allows them to dominate the trenches and control the game. Other schools can't do that: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, TCU, Michigan State, Tennessee, etc. These schools need a playmaker at quarterback to compete at the highest level.

I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket presence, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...
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The best HS competition is still many levels below the SEC. I think HB has a chance to be a good QB for UT.

HOWEVER, unless JG falls flat on his face this year or suffers a significant injury, he's next year's starter. JG is NOT... NOT... a "game manager". He his top tier arm talent. The actual weakness of his game to this point has been the "game management" or mental parts- the decision making and reads.

If Chaney, Martin, and Weinke have brought him along in those respects, JG has the physical talent and toughness to be an elite QB.
 
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