JG #2 QB in nation under pressure and #4 overall in SEC

[BigOrangeTrain]

I dont criticize him for his high completion percentage but lack of actually putting points on the board to win games. One would think with JG's amazing completion % and being the 2nd best under pressure those passes would translate to TD's, but they don't. But maybe, just maybe, I've been watching Tennessee play in some alternate dimension thanks to chemtrails and solar flares where there and only there have they barely achieved a .500 by the skin of their teeth.

So does passing TDs rely solely on the QB? Also, do wins and losses fall solely on QB play?

 

[Boca Vol]

Obscure stats? So stats showing a QBs efficiency are obscure? Ok then.

Yeah, well this thread is about his efficiency under pressure. Can you tell me if you've heard of any of the other QB's on the list?

 

[FLVOL_79]

I've read multiple posts from you where you mocked his high completion percentage.

Listen, I haven't seen anyone compare JG to the Tennessee greats or list him among the current greats. I think most of his supporters appreciate his toughness and have seen positive growth this season. He's been getting killed all year and has still managed to put up decent stats. We all want to win and to see our qb throw for +20 touchdowns a season. But, it takes a little help to do that. I just wonder why you haven't been as openly critical of our line as you have the guy getting killed as a result of poor line play. I think I know the answer. You've so adamantly stated your case agaisnt JG that you can't bring yourself to say anything positive at all because your pride is getting in the way. Whatever bud, you do you.

And, showing support for JG and appreciating his progress isn't accepting mediocrity. It's being a fan of a young man that's lays it all on the line for this team.

No. I mock(ed) people who were acting like that somehow made him the greatest QB since Manning when they were just cherry picking a stat out of desperation and blind homerism.

The o-line blows and thats a fact. No one is here trying to paint a pretty picture about the o-line being better than they are by showing stats that in the grand scheme of things mean nothing. No one has questioned JG's toughness, including me. I feel bad for the kid getting killed game in and game out. Its no wonder he keeps adding more crosses to his uniform each Saturday. I'd probably be doing the same behind that o-line.

I said in the WVU thread that JG had improved a lot, but that doesn't mean I think he is this amazing QB. If it makes you feel better he is better at quarterback than I am.

 

[FLVOL_79]

How does one gauge 'under pressure'? Link?

I couldnt find that stat on the NCAA website...

 

[FLVOL_79]

So does passing TDs rely solely on the QB? Also, do wins and losses fall solely on QB play?

Of course not. But offensive performance can often be correlated to QB play. There are always outliers but generally the QB is the "CEO" of the offensive aspect of the team.

UT has been Chipotle of college football this year.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Yeah, well this thread is about his efficiency under pressure. Can you tell me if you've heard of any of the other QB's on the list?

This is what I refer to as a "baseball stat". In baseball they have the most ridiculous and meaningless stats. Bryce Harper bats .700 when Hale Bopp comet is 4 trillion light years away on an August evening when the humidity is 87.65% in Phenix City, Alabama and his wife made him banana pudding with half the Nila wafers.

 

[GAVol]

This is what I refer to as a "baseball stat". In baseball they have the most ridiculous and meaningless stats. Bryce Harper bats .700 when Hale Bopp comet is 4 trillion light years away on an August evening when the humidity is 87.65% in Phenix City, Alabama and his wife made him banana pudding with half the Nila wafers.

It's like anything else. Baseball's advanced stats like OPS+ etc have proven pretty reliable. Others seem tortured. QBR has always escapes me in football; much less when you add under pressure to it.

 

[FLVOL_79]

It's like anything else. Baseball's advanced stats like OPS+ etc have proven pretty reliable. Others seem tortured. QBR has always escapes me in football; much less when you add under pressure to it.

I dont get the "under pressure state". I have not even heard of that stat before this thread. TD's, INT's, Completion %,..bread and butter for a QB stat wise in my opinion. But what do I know, I only kicked the foosball.

 

[BeardedVol]

He isnt as inconsistent as some would like to believe.

I accept him for what kind of QB he is right now. A talented athelete who can take significat hits, who throws a good short and mid-range pass when given time, and is quite accurate in those throws, but who struggles to pick up blitz's and call his pre-snap protection, and consistently underthrows his deep ball, and often misses wide open receivers downfield when he runs his progressions.

When the rest of the offense has a good game, he tends to as well, but he's not a game-changing quarterback, and can't carry an offense.

Maybe that will change, maybe it won't, but I don't feel through need to start threads to point out that it hasn't every 3 days unlike the half dozen threads championing his completion percentage, QB rating in reference to his SEC peers, or his completion rate under pressure.

 

[lexkyvol]

after flvol_54279 and bearded vol, do we wanna cont to say that it still doesn't exist or can we just call it what it is? because after beating the #11 team in the country......these 2 are still against the kid. so it cannot honestly have anything to do with on the field performance. no way in hell

 

[DustyRockSolid]

I dont criticize him for his high completion percentage but lack of actually putting points on the board to win games. One would think with JG's amazing completion % and being the 2nd best under pressure those passes would translate to TD's, but they don't. But maybe, just maybe, I've been watching Tennessee play in some alternate dimension thanks to chemtrails and solar flares where there and only there have they barely achieved a .500 by the skin of their teeth.

David Wilcock fan?

 

[I_Bleed_Orange77]

No. I mock(ed) people who were acting like that somehow made him the greatest QB since Manning when they were just cherry picking a stat out of desperation and blind homerism.

The o-line blows and thats a fact. No one is here trying to paint a pretty picture about the o-line being better than they are by showing stats that in the grand scheme of things mean nothing. No one has questioned JG's toughness, including me. I feel bad for the kid getting killed game in and game out. Its no wonder he keeps adding more crosses to his uniform each Saturday. I'd probably be doing the same behind that o-line.

I said in the WVU thread that JG had improved a lot, but that doesn't mean I think he is this amazing QB. If it makes you feel better he is better at quarterback than I am.

Who in the hell said (or acted) like he was the best QB since Manning? You're trying way too hard to discredit a kid who's helped us beat two ranked opponents. Something we haven't done in a while. JG isn't a world beater yet but who knows what he can become? I don't know, YOU don't know, nobody knows. Your bashing of a kid who's trying his best to win us games is down right pathetic. If you can't see that he's getting better then you're either an idiot or you're blind. My guess is both.

 

[PelhamUT]

JG will be in the top 5 college quarterbacks next year as our offensive line continues to improve.

 

[FLVOL_79]

after flvol_54279 and bearded vol, do we wanna cont to say that it still doesn't exist or can we just call it what it is? because after beating the #11 team in the country......these 2 are still against the kid. so it cannot honestly have anything to do with on the field performance. no way in hell

No one has anything against him. Pointing out that he isn't that good isn't some veiled attempt to push the most likely imaginary agenda you have conjured up, its just reality.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Who in the hell said (or acted) like he was the best QB since Manning? You're trying way too hard to discredit a kid who's helped us beat two ranked opponents. Something we haven't done in a while. JG isn't a world beater yet but who knows what he can become? I don't know, YOU don't know, nobody knows. Your bashing of a kid who's trying his best to win us games is down right pathetic. If you can't see that he's getting better then you're either an idiot or you're blind. My guess is both.

Never said he isn't getting better..You homers and your misguided rage..

 

[KBVol]

I don't know where he stacks up in the SEC but he's obviously been the best QB on the Vols roster this year to the people that actually matters( the coaches).

I am amazed he is still upright and ambulatory behind this O line. He deserves a lot of respect for the toughness and he has made some clutch throws.

It's about time to get off the kids back IMO.

But you clearly don’t understand.

You see....just because he completes passes at a high percentage while simultaneously having a high yards per attempted pass, pretty much never throws an interception (has the program record for most consecutive pass attempts without and INT and has now thrown only 4 INTs in 350+ career pass attempts), and has only been sacked 14-15 times in 10 games this year despite playing behind what is clearly one of the worst OLs in college football............he can’t read a defense, he locks onto one receiver on every single play, he constantly has us in the wrong play and pass protection (every single time he gets hit it’s really his, and only his fault) and he holds the ball way too long (2.2 seconds vs Chryst ONLY holding it 2.1 seconds against Bama for example).

Come on man, get with the program, learn the talking points.

 

[KBVol]

No one has anything against him. Pointing out that he isn't that good isn't some veiled attempt to push the most likely imaginary agenda you have conjured up, its just reality.

Yes you do. Pointing out “things that he isn’t good at”, despite overwhelming evidence that your points are wrong, over and over again, is “having anything against him”, and you know it. And so do we.

Just stick to your guns and just say what we all know.....you don’t the kid based on what you saw last year, and no amount of evidence and good to excellent play by JG this year, that thoroughly disproves your talking points is gonna change your mind and your posts about the kid.

 

[thegasman54]

I accept him for what kind of QB he is right now. A talented athelete who can take significat hits, who throws a good short and mid-range pass when given time, and is quite accurate in those throws, but who struggles to pick up blitz's and call his pre-snap protection, and consistently underthrows his deep ball, and often misses wide open receivers downfield when he runs his progressions.

When the rest of the offense has a good game, he tends to as well, but he's not a game-changing quarterback, and can't carry an offense.

Maybe that will change, maybe it won't, but I don't feel through need to start threads to point out that it hasn't every 3 days unlike the half dozen threads championing his completion percentage, QB rating in reference to his SEC peers, or his completion rate under pressure.

Uh you were the one that went on the long wild diatribe comparing JG to lol Eli Manning ... which was proven to you to be way off base so apparently you DO feel the need to come on here and bash him any chance you get. Pot meet kettle

 

[BeardedVol]

Uh you were the one that went on the long wild diatribe comparing JG to lol Eli Manning ... which was proven to you to be way off base so apparently you DO feel the need to come on here and bash him any chance you get. Pot meet kettle

No, I didn't compare JG to Eli Manning. I said stats-wise they are having very similar years, and are in similar playing situations behind poorly performing Offensive lines, which they are, but in your zeal to defend a perceived slight of JG's honor, you only read what you wanted to read.

Maybe wash a bit of the fanaticism from your eyes.

 

[Boca Vol]

This is what I refer to as a "baseball stat". In baseball they have the most ridiculous and meaningless stats. Bryce Harper bats .700 when Hale Bopp comet is 4 trillion light years away on an August evening when the humidity is 87.65% in Phenix City, Alabama and his wife made him banana pudding with half the Nila wafers.

You aren't kidding about baseball stats! I took my dad to a Rays game this year and they post stats everywhere. He kept asking me "what's that mean?" Finally, he said something like what's wrong with batting avg. and era?

You can have all the stats in the world but only 1 really matters...the score.

 

[BloomuVol]

You aren't kidding about baseball stats! I took my dad to a Rays game this year and they post stats everywhere. He kept asking me "what's that mean?" Finally, he said something like what's wrong with batting avg. and era?

You can have all the stats in the world but only 1 really matters...the score.

But is the qb the only guy responsible for the score?

 

[TnKayaker65]

He’s improving, I have been waiting all season for him the feel the pass rush and step up in the pocket and deliver a strike. He did it twice in a row on Saturday and it lead to 6 points right before the half.

Now I’m waiting for them to call a QB roll out pass to the TE on the wide side of the field and if it’s covered just tuck it and go. Once he proves that he can regularly throw on the run, defenses will slow down their full assault on him.

He’s improving, I have been waiting all season for him the feel the pass rush and step up in the pocket and deliver a strike. He did it twice in a row on Saturday and it lead to 6 points right before the half.

Now I’m waiting for them to call a QB roll out pass to the TE on the wide side of the field and if it’s covered just tuck it and go. Once he proves that he can regularly throw on the run, defenses will slow down their full assault on him.

 

[BreatheUT]

I like JG too and I think he is playing better but I think this thread started to lose some of the good vibe feel with the 3rd grade pot shots toward fans who thought or think Chryst should get more reps.

I think JG has acquitted himself well and I hope that he continues improving, but let's not act like he can take over a game with his arm and play making ability. He made some plays that you expect a starter to make and that is all fans want. He was efficient but still threw for less than 200 yards.

The proof is written over a series of games.

GBO

 

[TnKayaker65]

Well, it appears I don't know what I'm trying to do when I quote someone...I was saying that I wasn't sure JG was the qb we needed. I understand all the coaching issues we had and the problems with the O line. I could see he was one tough sonofagun but the issues probably clouded my vision. He has improved greatly and his desire to win clearly shows. He hasn't given up and he does have some pretty passes. I now see the error of my ways and have cleaned my glasses. Go JG! GO VOLS!!!

 

[Behr]

Yeah, well this thread is about his efficiency under pressure. Can you tell me if you've heard of any of the other QB's on the list?

Its funny watching UT fans making fun of other UT fans for talking about our QB on an internet message board.

Lulz Boca, I just don't get why such a big deal is made about JG doing good.