Jeremy Banks needs to be dismissed

[rocketskates]

Finally watched the video it’s entirety last night. Banks said a lot of stupid stuff. I think the “Pruitt asking for favors” narrative is way over blown. Pruitt sounded (obviously) half asleep and confused on the phone. He never blatantly asked for Banks to get a break.

 

[Behr]

Feel free to tag me Behr.

Do you know that the officers felt scared and threatened by Banks and his words? Because there is a wide consensus here that they were. The only point I have made in this whole ordeal is the manufactured outrage by people here all starts "if that was me (talking about the cop), I would have taken that as a threat"

Well you know what, it wasn't you (not you specifically Behr)..... Unless a poster in this thread is the Cop, people's feelings on this matter really don't matter. For some reason, that is being taken as me saying "I know the cops didn't take it as a threat." Regardless, even if they did, they would made that clear with the footage during their debrief when the camera was still rolling. Additionally when the press reached out to the department for a statement, it would have been made a bigger deal since apparently the lady riding along is on campus with Banks.


Even in the event the officer felt threatened, it would have resulted in a far worse booking at the jail than it did. Outside of Banks jawing at him at the station, there was hardly anything threatening. Once again, what you or I perceive at threatening does not matter. Its what the two officers took it as. Hell go back and listen to the last 2-3 minutes of the cop and lady riding along doing a debrief before heading back out on patrol.

At the end of the day, I trust the police officer to be able to form his own feelings and opinions in his direct dealings with Banks that night. I don't think he needs a message board full of random people to tell him how he should or should not feel about Banks' words, actions and behavior that night. Do you?

I think the whole that stinks here is the fact that this video has come out so late.

Banks was punished and dealt with internally. Trying to relitigate it and say he should be punished again is dumb.

I don't know what you mean by "tag me".

I didn't read all of that mess, just some of it, sorry.

I don't think he needs more punishment at this time. Its over move on. My whole argument is I think it is a bigger deal than you do, but not as big of a deal as others.

 

[JMSqb11]

I don't know what you mean by "tag me".

I didn't read all of that mess, just some of it, sorry.

I don't think he needs more punishment at this time. Its over move on. My whole argument is I think it is a bigger deal than you do, but not as big of a deal as others.

Yes. We need to Jon Taffer this thread.

 

[butchna]

Come on man, work with me here. I'm not trying to win an argument or change anyone's opinion, I just axed a damn question that shouldn't be that hard to answer.

Is there no way anyone could have felt threatened, even a little, but just let it go, for whatever reason?

I haven’t criticized the officers in this particular case. Some have intimated that he was impaired, and now many of the same are intimating that these officers “felt threatened”. That’s A LOT of “sliding” that’s inconsistent with carrying out the warrant...allz I’m sayink!

 

[Behr]

Nice answer to a yes or no question...

Do you think its possible anyone involved COULD have felt threatened even a little, maybe just enough to be a little more alert and or cautious during the whole thing, but just let it go for whatever reason?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

 

[butchna]

Do you think its possible anyone involved COULD have felt threatened even a little, maybe just enough to be a little more alert and or cautious during the whole thing, but just let it go for whatever reason?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

No

 

[JMSqb11]

Do you think its possible anyone involved COULD have felt threatened even a little, maybe just enough to be a little more alert and or cautious during the whole thing, but just let it go for whatever reason?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

Possible? Yes.

But given the video of what actually happened, I truly do not believe it so no.

 

['Boro-vol]

I haven’t criticized the officers in this particular case. Some have intimated that he was impaired, and now many of the same are intimating that these officers “felt threatened”. That’s A LOT of “sliding” that’s inconsistent with carrying out the warrant...allz I’m sayink!

I don’t think anyone would have felt threatened, except perhaps the female student cadet. The responding male officers are used to this type of conduct, from likely far more threatening individuals. As a father of a soon to be college age girl however, his characterization, sexist remarks, and thinly veiled threat to see her around campus makes me wonder how the student cadet felt.

If she’s going to be a cop she better get used to it....but those remarks are the ones that I thought the University, not the AD, would take the most exception to. Police cadet or not, she’s a student, and you couldn’t make those remarks to any other female student and get away with it in these times.

 

[m1al]

Come on man, work with me here. I'm not trying to win an argument or change anyone's opinion, I just axed a damn question that shouldn't be that hard to answer.

Is there no way anyone could have felt threatened, even a little, but just let it go, for whatever reason?

Maybe they felt amused by this ‘tuff guy from the hood’ shooting off his mouth, making a fool of himself in classic wannabe fashion. Maybe they were laughing their arses off later, off camera. I’ve seen a few cops on here lately saying they see stuff like this a lot and don’t think much of it, at least as far as being actually threatened.

 

[Behr]

I haven’t criticized the officers in this particular case. Some have intimated that he was impaired, and now many of the same are intimating that these officers “felt threatened”. That’s A LOT of “sliding” that’s inconsistent with carrying out the warrant...allz I’m sayink!

Understood. Squib just kept saying "unless you were one of four people you have no idea", so I just wondered how he " Knew" no one felt threatened. I never said they were because I don't know. That's all I was saying. We good.

 

[JMSqb11]

I don’t think anyone would have felt threatened, except perhaps the female student cadet. The responding male officers are used to this type of conduct, from likely far more threatening individuals. As a father of a soon to be college age girl however, his characterization, sexist remarks, and thinly veiled threat to see her around campus makes me wonder how the student cadet felt.

If she’s going to be a cop she better get used to it....but those remarks are the ones that I thought the University, not the AD, would take the most exception to. Police cadet or not, she’s a student, and you couldn’t make those remarks to any other female student and get away with it in these times.

If the university wanted to specifically make a case on Banks with his words to the lady, there is no way you make him the poster child of that. Because if you go down the route, the University is going to have to hire a resource officer or something who's soul job will be collecting body cam and car cam videos of arrests that involve all UT students. Because Banks won't be the first to make comments like these to women in uniform and he won't be the last.

I just don't see how the university can pick and choose when to start a policy like that without singling out only students of certain types (Students, Athletes, Band members, etc.....)

 

[Behr]

Maybe they felt amused by this ‘tuff guy from the hood’ shooting off his mouth, making a fool of himself in classic wannabe fashion. Maybe they were laughing their arses off later, off camera. I’ve seen a few cops on here lately saying they see stuff like this a lot and don’t think much of it, at least as far as being actually threatened.

"Maybe, But unless you were one of the ones involed ...you don't know anything"

~Squib

 

[JMSqb11]

"Maybe, But unless you were one of the ones involed ...you don't know anything"

~Squib

Once again feel free to tag me @Behr ......

And yes, in any case, what people feel as threatening or not as threatening doesn't matter unless they were there that night involved in the ordeal. Will say that to anyone arguing either side.

 

['Boro-vol]

If the university wanted to specifically make a case on Banks with his words to the lady, there is no way you make him the poster child of that. Because if you go down the route, the University is going to have to hire a resource officer or something who's soul job will be collecting body cam and car cam videos of arrests that involve all UT students. Because Banks won't be the first to make comments like these to women in uniform and he won't be the last.

I just don't see how the university can pick and choose when to start a policy like that without singling out only students of certain types (Students, Athletes, Band members, etc.....)

Didn’t say they should...I just said those comments were the ones that disturbed me the most. I can envision the female student cadet, feeling threatened by a football player sexually harassing her then saying he would see her around campus. Again if she’s going to be a cop she better get used to it....but she shouldn’t have to walk around campus looking over her shoulder.

The other stuff was nothing the responding officers hear every night I’m sure. And it means very little when the suspect is handcuffed in the back seat of your cruiser. I just see the interaction with the student differently.

 

[JMSqb11]

Didn’t say they should...I just said those comments were the ones that disturbed me the most. I can envision the female student cadet, feeling threatened by a football player sexually harassing her then saying he would see her around campus. Again if she’s going to be a cop she better get used to it....but she shouldn’t have to walk around campus looking over her shoulder.

The other stuff was nothing the responding officers hear every night I’m sure. And it means very little when the suspect is handcuffed in the back seat of your cruiser. I just see the interaction with the student differently.

Here is where i am at with Banks and his words towards her. I look at it from both sides.

From Banks perspective and even some of Pruitt's, he got arrested on a warrant for failure to appear. All which stemmed from a U Turn in what kicked off the arrest that night.

From Pruitt, he sounded like he legit thought it got handled and that the "state trooper guy" had told Banks what he needed to do to get it fixed. Its obvious Banks did not so thats on him.

From the cadet, yes the comments weren't great at all. For all she knows, that warrant on Banks could be for anything from assault, robbery, drugs, or whatever. Unless there is a serious problem with inmates running the asylum on Tennessee's campus with the football players ( I don't know if there is or not), I would find it hard to believe that a guy who got arrested after getting pulled over on a wrong U Turn is someone who is gonna have a vendetta. Especially after finding out the failure to appear was all due to a suspended license/speeding ticket.

I am going to make a big assumption, but based on their debrief in the squad car after Banks got booked, It sounds like that lady wasn't on her first night of ride alongs. With that in mind, I will make another big assumption and say the Banks arrest is not the biggest one she's seen.


Its all a rotten mess. But if that lady truly felt threatened in the moment, you can bet your ass there would be audio/video record of her saying that in order to get some sort of protection order.

Because in that moment, she can tell a judge or whoever, "I did not feel safe once he got out"...... But now the video is out some 2 weeks later, its hard for her to now say "Oh I totally felt threatened then, but I'm just now saying it since the video is blowing up nationally"......


Its just a rotten mess.

HOWEVER, I DO NOT THINK THIS BANKS ARREST OVER A U TURN AND FAILURE TO APPEAR IS SOME PROGRAM DEFINING INCIDENT THAT THINGS ARE RUNNING WILD

 

[Behr]

Once again feel free to tag me @Behr ......

And yes, in any case, what people feel as threatening or not as threatening doesn't matter unless they were there that night involved in the ordeal. Will say that to anyone arguing either side.

Fine. I've not changed my mind that whether the police are used to it and thought it was funny or not, its a sad day when people, including the cops, act like its nothing.

I also agree its not the end if the world either, but the boy needs an educating boot up his ass. People here are always saying these players aren't kids, well some of them need to start acting like grown ass men.

 

[JMSqb11]

Fine. I've not changed my mind that whether the police are used to it and thought it was funny or not, its a sad day when people, including the cops, act like its nothing.

I also agree its not the end if the world either, but the boy needs an educating boot up his ass. People here are always saying these players aren't kids, well some of them need to start acting like grown ass men.

Agreed. I do think there is some merit to what Pruitt said about Banks not really having people in his life as a support system. I'm sure his granddad dying didn't help. But this is where the Head Coach has to make strides and that's off the field because he is their daddy when they are at school. I just hate the tape came out so late because now all the fuss is for nothing.

 

[Behr]

I just hate the tape came out so late because now all the fuss is for nothing.

I hate we lost to GaSt, but we did. Got to move on.

 

['Boro-vol]

Here is where i am at with Banks and his words towards her. I look at it from both sides.

From Banks perspective and even some of Pruitt's, he got arrested on a warrant for failure to appear. All which stemmed from a U Turn in what kicked off the arrest that night.

From Pruitt, he sounded like he legit thought it got handled and that the "state trooper guy" had told Banks what he needed to do to get it fixed. Its obvious Banks did not so thats on him.

From the cadet, yes the comments weren't great at all. For all she knows, that warrant on Banks could be for anything from assault, robbery, drugs, or whatever. Unless there is a serious problem with inmates running the asylum on Tennessee's campus with the football players ( I don't know if there is or not), I would find it hard to believe that a guy who got arrested after getting pulled over on a wrong U Turn is someone who is gonna have a vendetta. Especially after finding out the failure to appear was all due to a suspended license/speeding ticket.

I am going to make a big assumption, but based on their debrief in the squad car after Banks got booked, It sounds like that lady wasn't on her first night of ride alongs. With that in mind, I will make another big assumption and say the Banks arrest is not the biggest one she's seen.


Its all a rotten mess. But if that lady truly felt threatened in the moment, you can bet your ass there would be audio/video record of her saying that in order to get some sort of protection order.

Because in that moment, she can tell a judge or whoever, "I did not feel safe once he got out"...... But now the video is out some 2 weeks later, its hard for her to now say "Oh I totally felt threatened then, but I'm just now saying it since the video is blowing up nationally"......


Its just a rotten mess.

HOWEVER, I DO NOT THINK THIS BANKS ARREST OVER A U TURN AND FAILURE TO APPEAR IS SOME PROGRAM DEFINING INCIDENT THAT THINGS ARE RUNNING WILD

Nobody disagrees that the u-turn and failure to appear are a big deal. They aren’t. At all. I think I’ve been clear on that. I’ve even stated I believe in a second chance for the young man. One.

The culture question inside the program is another issue I’ve not really commented on.

Anyone avoiding the idea that Bankswas anything other than overtly threatening to her in the full length, drive to the detention center video is either being willfully blind, or simply has an unassailable bias.

I don’t know whether she felt threatened or not, but I felt that she was being threatened...again, an obvious hazard of the job. To me the fact that she is a student changes things greatly. Nobody else on campus could get away with that conduct.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility, and some here have asked for it, that the University has stepped in to make that go away. We may never know.

 

[BEATBAMA12]

When cops act this dumb it generally makes people angry and say stupid stuff. He wasn’t drunk high or carrying anything illegal, should’ve had someone come to pick him and the car up and let the court handle it. Cops get on power trips didn’t have to arrest the man.

 

[OldVolMan]

The internal punishment that he has already received I’m sure was more than sufficient and Pruitt just said he will play Saturday (and rightfully so imo) but in light of the video, I do wish that Banks would do a ride along with a cop to help him grow in wisdom. Pruitt had no way of knowing what Banks had said in the video, but in hindsight, I hope the judge does suggest a ride along, not as punishment, but as a learning experience for Banks and to give him a better view from 10,000 feet perspective, to help him grow.

I believe his mind/beliefs might change, might not but don’t agree that some want him dismissed, he needs to grow in perspective.

Maybe he should be made to do a ride along with the Memphis police instead. I bet his mouth and attitude would make an immediate adjustment.

 

['Boro-vol]

When cops act this dumb it generally makes people angry and say stupid stuff. He wasn’t drunk high or carrying anything illegal, should’ve had someone come to pick him and the car up and let the court handle it. Cops get on power trips didn’t have to arrest the man.

They literally, by law, had to arrest him. It had nothing to do with the illegal u-turn or suspended license. He had a warrant for his arrest, Failure to Appear, out of Crossville. It’s obvious you’ve not watched the video, because the officers were overly professional and accommodating to him.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Understood. Squib just kept saying "unless you were one of four people you have no idea", so I just wondered how he " Knew" no one felt threatened. I never said they were because I don't know. That's all I was saying. We good.

So glad you two worked through that. If y'all can't stay together, there's not much hope for any of the rest of us.

 

[Behr]

So glad you two worked through that. If y'all can't stay together, there's not much hope for any of the rest of us.

Lol, yea we jelli of that Foursome you belong to.

 

[foxxvol]

[With an attitude like this, he doesn't need to worry about SS because he won't live long enoughQUOTE="UT's#1Fan, post: 17276028, member: 17223"]"Where I'm from we shoot at cops..."

Police video shows UT football player calling coach, insulting officers during arrest[/QUOTE]