Jefferey Epstein found dead in jail cell

[InVOLuntary]

Luther must be the smartest and slickest criminal of all time to be roaming free in Georgia.

It's his people.

 

[luthervol]

But you are ok calling him a deplorable human being. Just go ahead and and say it. You're ok with any name calling as long as it's directed at Trump. Otherwise, it's repulsive. You've called him a racist, a nazi, a dictator, a fascist. You've tried to kill him twice. You've assassinated a prominent conservative influencer. Maybe look in a mirror on what you consider repulsive.

Please tell me you're more clever than that.

Me calling trump a horrendously despicable human in this forum is not even in the same universe as him saying "quiet piggy" to a reporter on camera.
It's the funeral / football game dynamic.....I tried to put it in terms that people could understand.

There are and will continue to be negative consequences to such a drastic decline in expected civility and decorum.

And I'm fairly certain I have never called trump a racist, Nazi, dictator, or fascist.
Even though he scores high on all of those continuums.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Please tell me you're more clever than that.

Me calling trump a horrendously despicable human in this forum is not even in the same universe as him saying "quiet piggy" to a reporter on camera.
It's the funeral / football game dynamic.....I tried to put it in terms that people could understand.

There are and will continue to be negative consequences to such a drastic decline in expected civility and decorum.

And I'm fairly certain I have never called trump a racist, Nazi, dictator, or fascist.
Even though he scores high on all of those continuums.

Your party has. The leaders of your party have. Yet you stay silent instead focusing on cheap insults that Trump uses. The rhetoric they use leads to assassination, it leads to violence. You participation in your media's lies leads to violence. People die yet your silence is deafening. You are no better than the ones that riot, or pull the trigger. Forgive me if I see your fake outrage as the steaming pile of **** that it is.

 

[VAVol85]

Do you think these things are at all the same? It's clear she was being funny with the way she framed her question and he was trying to be funny with his response. It's still in poor taste, and wasn't clever. He's an old man losing his fastball. Not a mean guy.

Trump was literally trying to silence her, said some incredibly rude (and hypocritical) **** and this is exhibit 5,978 for Trump.

Are you really trying to argue Biden is as hateful as Trump?

Trump is an ass. Biden is an ass and is senile. I would like to have a president that is gracious and conscious, but that hasn’t been on the ballot for a while.

 

[luthervol]

Your party has. The leaders of your party have. Yet you stay silent instead focusing on cheap insults that Trump uses. The rhetoric they use leads to assassination, it leads to violence. You participation in your media's lies leads to violence. People die yet your silence is deafening. You are no better than the ones that riot, or pull the trigger. Forgive me if I see your fake outrage as the steaming pile of **** that it is.

Please.
trump waged war on the dems.
he intentionally portrayed them as an enemy that had to be defeated.
it was the Bannon/Star/Manafort strategy from day 1.

they knew trump's power could only grow through division, anger, and hatred.

 

[volbeast33]

I guess that makes Trump a liberal then doesn’t it? That’s all he does.

He is a liberal.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Please.
trump waged war on the dems.
he intentionally portrayed them as an enemy that had to be defeated.
it was the Bannon/Star/Manafort strategy from day 1.

they knew trump's power could only grow through division, anger, and hatred.

Was that before when Hillary, Barak, Biden, and company paid for a fake dossier and used it to illegally spy and wiretap Trump and other republicans? You know the completely fabricated Russian hoax? You know crimes that should put people in jail? Or are you ok with that as you are with the rhetoric directed at Trump because it's Trump? Is this what you mean by "any means necessary"?

 

[C-south]

Because we are a decade in of him dominating your daily living. It’s comical at this point how he’s beat you down.

To be fair he’s always been a weakling….mentally, emotionally, and physically.

 

[DC_Vol]

she wants you to service the heater before its 6 degrees and the firewood runs out dummy

She deserves to bitch once the frostbite sets in. Before then is off limits.

 

[DC_Vol]

That would be like screaming "Go Vols" and slamming back a beer during a funeral.

What’s wrong with that?

 

[rekinhavoc]

House Dem slammed for 'sick' defense of colleague caught texting Epstein during 2019 hearing

Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., was ridiculed for his defense of colleague Stacey Plaskett, who Republicans sought to censure Tuesday for texting Jeffrey Epstein during a 2019 hearing about Donald Trump.

www.foxnews.com

"Just incredibly dishonest. Plaskett helped Epstein while serving in the Virgin Islands gov w/ tax credits, went on to work directly for Epstein's fixer, then received lavish campaign support from Epstein and his aides to clinch her election victory," Fang said in response to Raskin's comments.

Fang previously reported in 2023 that Plaskett, despite attempting to distance herself from the disgraced financier and claiming she had no knowledge of campaign donations made to her from Epstein, that was not the case.

"Plaskett not only repeatedly sought financial contributions from Epstein and had multiple face-to-face encounters with him, but she also worked directly for a St. Thomas-based law firm that played a role in cultivating influence for Epstein's clandestine activities," Fang wrote at the time.

He also added that Plaskett's involvement with Epstein could potentially even go further back because she previously served as an attorney on the Virgin Islands Economic Development Authority that granted Epstein hundreds-of-millions in alleged "improperly obtained tax exemptions over the course of two decades."

 

[rekinhavoc]

Crockett is next level dumb.

 

[luthervol]

What’s wrong with that?

lol...
Maybe I should change it from a funeral to a Sunday morning service at a Church of Christ.

And instead of "Go Vols" make it "f*** bama".

 

[hog88]

That would be like screaming "Go Vols" and slamming back a beer during a funeral.

If that doesn’t happen at my funeral I’ll be a disappointed ghost.

 

[appvol]

Please.
trump waged war on the dems.
he intentionally portrayed them as an enemy that had to be defeated.
it was the Bannon/Star/Manafort strategy from day 1.

they knew trump's power could only grow through division, anger, and hatred.

That’s a lie. When Trump beat Hillary the Democrats started the war as you say. Dems started on Trump when he announced he was going to run for President

 

[Sandman 423]

That’s a lie. When Trump beat Hillary the Democrats started the war as you say. Dems started on Trump when he announced he was going to run for President

The second sentence is correct. However, Trump FAFO'd going after Hills and the 3 letters.

 

[luthervol]

That’s a lie. When Trump beat Hillary the Democrats started the war as you say. Dems started on Trump when he announced he was going to run for President

Please
It started the day trump entered the republican primary. Go back and watch his announcement speech.
trump won the primary because he was divisive and 30% of the repub base loved the hate speak.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Please tell me you're more clever than that.

Me calling trump a horrendously despicable human in this forum is not even in the same universe as him saying "quiet piggy" to a reporter on camera.
It's the funeral / football game dynamic.....I tried to put it in terms that people could understand.

There are and will continue to be negative consequences to such a drastic decline in expected civility and decorum.

And I'm fairly certain I have never called trump a racist, Nazi, dictator, or fascist.
Even though he scores high on all of those continuums.

Yes you did, nobody is fooled by your mental health crisis. Look man, you're not an a55hole, you're acting like an a55hole -> that is still calling someone an a55hole. That is at best childish behavior or worse you have a serious mental condition. And you are completely ball-less by avoiding it either way.

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I think trump is a narcissistic sociopath who has great admiration for Hitler.

And a very peculiar fascination with Hannibal Lector.

You are a loony.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Please
It started the day trump entered the republican primary. Go back and watch his announcement speech.
trump won the primary because he was divisive and 30% of the repub base loved the hate speak.

You love hate speech and you love murderers and treasonous people that were willing to do your dirty work for you because you are a gutless person.

 

[LouderVol]

I feel like she kind of explains it, but you have to remember its up to the interviewer to ask the questions to fill in the blanks. It would seem like in the early 2000s she basically stopped working for him, but might have still received payments. She did some things for him I think around 2009 but that was about it because he didn't trust anyone else. She was on the Island I think if I am reading that right around 2007 but she was working for him, and I think he gave her a lift back to the States.

Its a little wordy when it comes to some of the sex stuff, but she is basically sticking to her guns on anything that would be considered illegal.... she absolutely denies any involvement with minors but does admit she knew some of them.

(I just finished her deposition, I'll try and give the trial transcript a go over the next week)

I am of the opposite mindset, the more dirt she has on the elite - the better chance of getting out of prison which would have to be weight against the possibility of being eliminated.

why? the same elite killed Epstein to keep him quiet. Why would they change tact with Maxwell?the less she claims to know the less of a threat she is.

she is pleading ignorance to appear less guilty in the eyes of the law, getting sweetheart deals from the president along the way, like pretty much any criminal will do. it also makes her less of a threat and less likely to be Epstein'd.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Please.
trump waged war on the dems.
he intentionally portrayed them as an enemy that had to be defeated.
it was the Bannon/Star/Manafort strategy from day 1.

they knew trump's power could only grow through division, anger, and hatred.

You mean the people that were murdering Americans, or the people that were committing treason?

they knew trump's power could only grow through division, anger, and hatred.

So, they committed treason and you are fine with that. Its funny but you seem to be the angry one, you are just are ball-less.

 

[LSU-SIU]

why? the same elite killed Epstein to keep him quiet. Why would they change tact with Maxwell?the less she claims to know the less of a threat she is.

she is pleading ignorance to appear less guilty in the eyes of the law, getting sweetheart deals from the president along the way, like pretty much any criminal will do. it also makes her less of a threat and less likely to be Epstein'd.

There is that, but it would seem less likely she would see the outside of the walls, just my take. (we'll see)

 

[LouderVol]

I was a registered Democrat until the DNC screwed Bernie over (and they basically haven’t held a legit primary since then, shocker), and I can’t relate to any of the things you prescribed to democrats. You may have an issue with democrat leadership, but that list of things you’re against are the extreme fringe of ideology on the left. So, as I said, maybe you should actually talk to some instead of making sweeping generalities based on the most extreme views.

don't tell @luthervol that. he was slam you as MAGA and point out 15 different ways Trump ties his shoes wrong to show you how much worse he is.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don’t know much related to this, so it gets kind of long, sorry.

I would say there are four different buckets of information:
1. Information out in the wild (e.g. in the possession of the estate).
2. Information in the possession of the executive branch (FBI, DOJ, etc.)
3. Information in the possession of Congress (testimony, documents turned over by DOJ).
4. Information in the possession of the Courts (grand jury materials, etc).

What you’re asking about are the Grand Jury Materials (GJM). Those are pretty much always kept secret and can’t be released without an order from a judge. That’s what they’ve gone to court seeking to release. That’s the tl;dr answer.

I don’t know what specific cases they’ve sought to have released, what their arguments were, or what legal grounds are for releasing GJM. But I know DOJ was just ordered to turn over GJM to James Comey, so it can be done.

I also don’t really know what GJM usually consists of (transcripts and exhibits, I would imagine) but it’s not the entire “Epstein files.” I assume some journalists want that info because somebody had to distill all the stuff coming into a narrative of law-breaking activities.

To the extent GJM and exhibits and documents possessed by DOJ overlap, I would think they could still be released as long as it wasn’t identified as being part of the grand jury proceedings. E.g. you have a $50 credit card receipt from Bubba to Trump saying “thanks for the blowy,” I would think that could still be released as long as it’s not released in a record of like what went on in the grand jury.

Some of non-GJM stuff that’s in the possession of DOJ is probably made secret by policy or statute. I wouldn’t think the courts would have much say in that, short of somebody suing to prohibit its release or trying to get it under FOIA.

Final thought: I think a lot of these secrecy rules exist for good, legitimate reasons. I understand why people want to break them in this particular case, but I think whether its a good idea to do so is a much closer question than what people want to admit.

Trump needs a better vengeance prosecutor.

Lindsey Halligan (a former Celebrity Apprentice contestant - is that classic Trump or what?) botched the grand jury presentation six ways to Sunday. The Comey case is dead.

 

[luthervol]

Yes you did, nobody is fooled by your mental health crisis. Look man, you're not an a55hole, you're acting like an a55hole -> that is still calling someone an a55hole. That is at best childish behavior or worse you have a serious mental condition. And you are completely ball-less by avoiding it either way.

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All that post proves is what I already said. He is high on the continuum.

If you read carefully....you should clearly see that I in NO WAY called him a Nazi.

Do better....and try not to equate having balls with being stupid...(a common trumpian misconception)