Jefferey Epstein found dead in jail cell

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volfanhill said:
I've already explained. The attempt was to paint him guilty by implying he spent "several hours with redacted." An assumed victim. Which is why the immediate reaction was that hey ass hats redacted already said Trump never did anything she was aware of. But congrats. Keeping being on the side of the pedo
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You've already explained? lol
Well I've already explained that the trump response doesn't fit. If the e-mail was a lie.....you would think that would be the lead, but it wasn't.

Maybe the trump circle wanted the public to believe the lie because it better supported their position?

But congrats on unquestioningly excepting the trump line....no matter how incongruent with the other "facts".
 
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luthervol said:
You've already explained? lol
Well I've already explained that the trump response doesn't fit. If the e-mail was a lie.....you would think that would be the lead, but it wasn't.

Maybe the trump circle wanted the public to believe the lie because it better supported their position?

But congrats on unquestioningly excepting the trump line....no matter how incongruent with the other "facts".
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Congrats on calling the rape victim a liar and siding with the pedo. This really isn't hard. There is no other time in your life where you would have done this. But....muh Trump has rotted your brain.

My explanation makes perfect sense. And is evidenced by the posters on here's reaction. Only you cared about location. The rest went full on "proof he spent hours with a victim."

Of course you are the only person to call her a liar. Pretty gross.

What else do you think this human trafficked raped dead woman lied about? What else do you believe her rapist is more honest about than her? Please continue
 
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These will be like the Hillary emails that the Republicans drooled and raged over years ago. Nothing. You'll have Trumps name throughout it though and it just won't be good optics. Thats why Trump has been raging about the release for months. All he cares about is perception which in and of itself is really weird since his perception of reality is very skewed and the publics general perception of him is very bad.
 
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www.glennbeck.com

Democrat “SMOKING GUN” on Trump & Epstein gets DESTROYED by facts

House Oversight Dems claim new emails prove Trump lied about Epstein. Glenn exposes redacted info as old news, victim already testified against Trump. Dems pushing false scandal. Why hide truth? Release all Epstein files now! Why ignore Epstein email about Hillary and Vince Foster? #EpsteinFiles...
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"ABC did their job. Congratulations for ABC. They did their job.

They pointed out, this is not new information.

Why would you redact. Why are you releasing this now? And you're redacting a name this -- this email is already out!

You're presenting this as a new scandal.

And you redacted that name. This is completely dishonest. The news media shouldn't even run with it. They shouldn't even run with it. They should have said, old news. Old news. And if you did run with it, you should have handle it had like ABC handle it had. Wait a minute. Why did you redact name.

What do you mean that there's a new scandal. She already testified exactly opposite of what you're believing Jeffrey Epstein over the victim right now. I just want to make sure you understand the Democrats right here. You're taking the name of Epstein, over the victim."
 
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volfanhill said:
Congrats on calling the rape victim a liar and siding with the pedo. This really isn't hard. There is no other time in your life where you would have done this. But....muh Trump has rotted your brain.

My explanation makes perfect sense. And is evidenced by the posters on here's reaction. Only you cared about location. The rest went full on "proof he spent hours with a victim."

Of course you are the only person to call her a liar. Pretty gross.

What else do you think this human trafficked raped dead woman lied about? What else do you believe her rapist is more honest about than her? Please continue
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Still completely missing the point....so I'll bow out first.

I always wondered who won the game of "uh huh", "nu uh"; the one who said it last or the one who bowed out first.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Again...every Democrat is calling for them to be released. The House vote to do is 100% Dems and the Trump led Republicans are fighting to not make it happen. There is no way to spin this, it's fact. And if you say that's not the case, you are not somone to be taken seriously because you are not arguing in good faith. You are simply ignoring reality.

If makes NO damn sense if releasing them vindicates him because that POS would have released them Day 1 if they vindicated him. And this mental gymnastics of "if something was in them the Dems would have released them"....not only does it ignore the facts of the case but it makes no damn sense because Trump can end all speculation and HE F'N CAMPGAINED ON IT, and all the Republican talking heads pushed it and shut up the moment Trump's name came up and he told them to stop talking about it.

Use your freakin' brain.
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Didn't the Republicans move to vote on it, and the Dems blocked it to delay?

Here we go:

nypost.com

Democrats blocked GOP efforts to fast-track vote on Epstein files to keep issue alive longer, Republicans charge

A GOP-led effort to fast-track consideration of legislation compelling the Justice Department to release all of the files on sex predator Jeffrey Epstein was blocked Wednesday.
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WASHINGTON — House Democrats prevented a quick vote on legislation that would require the Justice Department to release all its files on sex predator Jeffrey Epstein, apparently hoping to keep the controversy in the spotlight longer, the GOP has alleged.

Ahead of the House vote to end the 43-day government shutdown, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) took to the floor and requested unanimous consent to immediately vote on the Epstein bill.

The GOP attempt failed, with Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.), the senior GOPer in charge of the House floor, explaining: “The chair is constrained not to entertain the request unless cleared by the bipartisan floor and committee leaderships.”

“I tried to get the Epstein files [bill] straight to the floor, cut out all of this nonsense and the Democrats blocked it, oddly enough,” Burchett grumbled after his effort failed. “This is politics. It has nothing to do with what’s right.”
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“I have not seen many stories written yet about the fact we put the discharge petition up for unanimous consent on the floor tonight,” Johnson vented to reporters Wednesday.

“The Democrats objected to the unanimous consent. Nobody has written a story about that. That is stunning to me.”
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luthervol said:
lol....
Everyone should have known how much he was rightfully hated in 2016.
The reality is that the hatred from the left was a positive for many trumpers.
They loved trump because he was a middle finger to the left.

For anyone to act surprised at the level of hatred is simply laughable. It was crystal clear from the beginning.
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'Hating someone is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies.' Generally attributed to Buddha.

Luther, I really urge you to read this post of yours again. Feeling like this only hurts one person and it is not Trump. Read it as many time as it takes, my friend.
 
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lawgator1 said:
After it became clear that they were going to be released anyway. Plus, he's suggesting a subtle hedge - "lawfully entitled.."

Sounds like not all of it will be released.
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As a lawyer can you tell me what laws or restrictions that the Biden admin was restricted by in releasing the Epstein files during his term? And then can you tell me if those restrictions have been lifted by the courts and doJ or if they still apply currently?
 
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Normally I hate repost AI

But this is relevant for this thread:
Anyone claiming “Trump is blocking the Epstein files” is ignoring the actual legal reality:

✅ 1. The SAME legal restrictions applied under Biden

Everything that prevented the Biden DOJ from releasing the Epstein materials is still in force now:

Grand Jury secrecy (Rule 6(e))

Court-ordered sealing and protective orders

Victim-privacy laws

Child-sexual-abuse material prohibitions

FOIA exemptions

Judicial control over unsealing


These are not political and cannot be overridden just because a different president is in office.

✅ 2. Biden did not release the files because he legally could not, not because he refused

Regardless of opinion, the Biden DOJ publicly stated the constraints, asked courts for guidance, and ultimately said they had “no legal basis” to release more.

Trump faces the same constraints.

✅ 3. Trump is actually pushing for more to be unsealed

The Trump DOJ has filed motions to unseal some Epstein records, particularly grand-jury materials — something the Biden DOJ did not pursue.

But judges are still blocking them for the same legal reasons they blocked Biden.

👉 So yes — blaming Trump for “blocking” the files is factually wrong.

It ignores:

The unchanged federal laws

The unchanged court sealing orders

The unchanged victim-protection rules

The judges, not the president, ultimately deciding what can or cannot be unsealed
 
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