Jeff Fisher comments on interest in the UT job

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Nasavol said:
Because Marrone is an offensive coach, has taken and stabilized down programs, took a team to an AFC Championship Game, has coached in the last 5 years, and has been a head coach at the CFB level.
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You think Fisher couldn’t hire an OC to run the offense lol. You aren’t making any sense...You think Saban calls both sides of the ball? Or Kirby? Or Fickell? They are all Defensive guys dude, with successful programs...
 
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TNvolsFanCrook22 said:
The GM doesn’t evaluate ****...he has guys that do that for him and they report back to him...very similar to how assistant coaches report back to the head coach about a guy they like in College Football...it’s very similar...y’all are making it more than what it really is...Look at Herm Edwards...
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Herm wins 7 a year, and let me explain for the last time, the GM is ultimately responsible for the roster. I really didn’t think I had to break that down for anyone, I thought that was obvious.
 
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TNvolsFanCrook22 said:
You think Fisher couldn’t hire an OC to run the offense lol. You aren’t making any sense...You think Saban calls both sides of the ball? Or Kirby? Or Fickell? They are all Defensive guys dude, with successful programs...
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I think Saban et al, have been coaching in the CFB ranks way longer than Fisher.
 
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Nasavol said:
Herm wins 7 a year, and let me explain for the last time, the GM is ultimately responsible for the roster. I really didn’t think I had to break that down for anyone, I thought that was obvious.
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Yea the GM is definitely responsible for the roster, but do you think the GM is scouting players? Lol. They have people that do that for them, called “scouts”....the “scouts” report to the GM genius...you don’t know half as much as you think you know
 
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TNvolsFanCrook22 said:
Yea the GM is definitely responsible for the roster, but do you think the GM is scouting players? Lol. They have people that do that for them, called “scouts”....the “scouts” report to the GM genius...you don’t know half as much as you think you know
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Who selects the players, the GM. He takes input and makes a decision from there. The Head Coach doesn’t do that, he provides input, but, he doesn’t “build” the team, the GM does. In CFB, the HC has that responsibility for the 25 recruits. He takes input from his assistants, and then targets certain players. In CFB the HC does ”build” the team. That is the major difference and any way you want to spin it Fisher has never had to do that. He is a career 7.8 win coach who in 22 years had 6 seasons above .500. Those are the facts and they are indisputable. And I am done.
 
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TNvolsFanCrook22 said:
Yea the GM is definitely responsible for the roster, but do you think the GM is scouting players? Lol. They have people that do that for them, called “scouts”....the “scouts” report to the GM genius...you don’t know half as much as you think you know
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TNvolsFanCrook22 said:
Yea the GM is definitely responsible for the roster, but do you think the GM is scouting players? Lol. They have people that do that for them, called “scouts”....the “scouts” report to the GM genius...you don’t know half as much as you think you know
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And secondly, I’m pretty sure if Fisher won 7 games next year after an NCAA investigation, bowl bans, sanctions, etc...you ought to be thankful lol. I guess your one of the people who think we’ll hire Freeze and win the East next year...we are gonna be screwed for 3 years minimum...if someone can come in and win 7 games for 3 years straight, you should beg for that at this point
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I've got a simple answer. I was showing that elite college coaches get dominated in the NFL and even all time NFL greats don't always have high winning percentages. Which is why it was ridiculous for the poster I was responding to make a case that Fisher sucked because he was barely over .500 in the NFL.
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OK, I thought you were posting coaches to replace Pruitt not yet suggested. Makes sense now. Carry on.
 
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Nasavol said:
In SF, John Lynch put the roster together, at Michigan, he is responsible for the roster. He didn’t forget how to coach, and in the NFL, the talent gap is pretty minor, so coaching matters.
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John Lynch wasn't GM there when Harbaugh was coach.
 
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TNvolsFanCrook22 said:
The GM doesn’t evaluate ****...he has guys that do that for him and they report back to him...very similar to how assistant coaches report back to the head coach about a guy they like in College Football...it’s very similar...y’all are making it more than what it really is...Look at Herm Edwards...
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LMFAO. Yeah, the GM has plenty of help from scouts but you better believe he does tons of evaluations
I know it for a fact
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
His winning percentage at the Oilers/Titans was .542. What was Saban's, Spurrier's and Nick Saban's record in the NFL vs the SEC? Hell, Spurrier had a MUCH BETTER WIN PERCENTAGE at Duke than the Skins! Here is all the proof I need. I am done with you. I can't debate with people who don't know their head from their rear!!!
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Saban and Spurrier's records in the NFL are irrelevant, as they had already proven themselves excellent college coaches before going to the NFL.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Some of you guys here are brain dead. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE in a NFL coach where only 10 coaches ever won more games than his teams did! He may not be the BEST AVAILABLE. But, he is probably one of the best UT COULD GET to come clean up a huge mess that has existed for 14 years at UT!!!
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He is a hard nose, defensive minded, 1990 style offense which is a carbon copy of cornbread.......he has better hair. His peak in the NFL was 15+ years ago. The NFL had passed him by when at the rams. And when was the last time he recruited? Ever? If the next coach is not going to modernize the offense which will help recruiting skill positions....I will pass. Trading one fossil for another. At least I know Beldar is decent at recruiting.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Fisher won as a player in 1978.
Fisher won as a player in 1985.
Fisher went to the Super Bowl in 1999.

It's 2021. Perhaps we should look at coaches with success in this century? Just a thought.
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Most “hot” coaches will not touch us with a 10-foot pole except for Freeze, and Donde made it clear she doesn’t want his “baggage.”
 
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I think Fisher definitely has a huge knowledge of what it takes to play winning football. The question mark would definitely be recruiting. I think he would be a guy we might be willing to hire because he certainly brings a clean image to the program. Freeze is the better choice but were not going to go on some kind of probation and bring him in to clean things up.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not really. Your arguments hold no weight. This isn’t the NFL. There isn’t free agency. There is no draft. There is recruiting and that’s a huge part of coaching. And it coaching is different in the NFL and college.

In the NFL, you are right, there is no talent advantage. So your coaching style has to be different. You and some others just don’t seem to get it. Fisher is tied for the most losses in the history of the NFL. Now let’s say we were looking for a HC in college that was tied for the most losses in the modern era? Would you still want him?

And if Fisher came here where he would have to deal with the talent mismatch he would get eaten alive. It works both ways. Fisher sucks and has no business being the HC at TN. Maybe you can answer this. Why would a guy who has coached in the NFL so long, want to come to somewhere where he has zero experience at his age? Why aren’t other NFL teams calling him up for job offers?
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NFL seems to do the trendy thing and right now that is young head coaches and try and find 30 year old coach. When Pete Carroll went to USC it was a risk and it worked. He was 50 got him some coaches and created a Sark and Kiffin.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ah yes. Immature and silly to ask for evidence when a statement is made. Thanks for playing. So any HC is enough to get a college job regardless if they have experience or not?

Beyond stupid. Fisher would be a terrible hire and you have zero evidence to prove he would be a great hire.
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You have no evidence that he wouldn't be good.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Based on what?
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He was in the NFL for 17 seasons as a head coach and led a team to a super bowl. Thats evidence enough, you dont keep your job or stay in the league for that long unless you know what your doing. He is the coach Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt dream of being.
 
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UTwild82 said:
Don't love it. Don't hate it.

Herm Edwards to Arizona State seemed crazy. That's turned out alright.

I could deal with it. Not my first choice, but an older coach may be what we need to steady the ship.
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I think Herm Edwards would have been great in the SEC because he would really get player's moms on board with him. If he had the SEC area to recruit, he would tear it up. Would have been an excellent pick for the Vols IMO, and I suggested it before we hired Butch.
 
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Nasavol said:
Why was Harbaugh so successful in SF?
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Some people are more suited to coaching at the pro level. Its a completely different skill set than being a college coach. You rarely if ever see someone highly successful at both. Saban sucked as a pro coach. So did Spurrier. Harbaugh much better in the NFL. It all has to do with what kind of manager you are.
 
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