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[whobethis16]

Completely different situation. Dormady was never in a competition with Dobbs. The gap between Dobbs and Dormady was a million times wider than the gap between the two this year.

Says who? Dormady's QBR is better thus far than Dobbs'. He has more wins in his first two starts, too.

JG is clearly the backup. The coaches see it, and barring an injury or a REAL collapse, not what you've deemed a collapse, it's going to be Dormady. Better get used to it.

 

[TheDeeble]

You play the guy that gives you the best chance to win. Backup gets some reps when it's a safe win.

From the two games this year, I see no reason why this should be called a QB competition.

At this point the extreme hate for QD just looks like sour grapes from JG fanboys. Y'all are almost as bad as Cromptonites from 2006/2007.

 

[BearCat204]

Says who? Dormady's QBR is better thus far than Dobbs'. He has more wins in his first two starts, too.

Not really a fair comparison at all

 

[quadlee21]

You play the guy that gives you the best chance to win. Backup gets some reps when it's a safe win.

From the two games this year, I see no reason why this should be called a QB competition.

At this point the extreme hate for QD just looks like sour grapes from JG fanboys. Y'all are almost as bad as Cromptonites from 2006/2007.

my thoughts also

 

[whobethis16]

Not really a fair comparison at all

Sure it is. People are *****ing about QD for his 8 of 20 first half. Dobbs had 0 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in his first 3 starts. Where was the uproar then?

In all of 2013 and 2014, Dobbs had 11 touchdowns, 12 picks. If Dormady does that, this place would explode.

 

[sjt18]

Completely different situation. Dormady was never in a competition with Dobbs. The gap between Dobbs and Dormady was a million times wider than the gap between the two this year.

:lolabove::lolabove:

Still desperately seeking a way to avoid admitting he's wrong.

 

[sjt18]

Not really a fair comparison at all

No... but it is more fair than k-town king's criticism of Dormady.

 

[k-town_king]

Says who? Dormady's QBR is better thus far than Dobbs'. He has more wins in his first two starts, too.

JG is clearly the backup. The coaches see it, and barring an injury or a REAL collapse, not what you've deemed a collapse, it's going to be Dormady. Better get used to it.

I am talking about last year and the year before. Dormady is not as good as Dobbs last year now. So there was an even bigger gap between the two the last two years while Dormady was learning the offense.

There is a reason they were not in a qb competition. Dormady and JG had both not started or played much at the beginning of the year. They were close enough to be competing for the job. So the gap is much, much closer. That is pretty simple to understand.


It is beyond stupid to compare the first two starts. if you do it makes Dormady look even worse.

Dobbs played two teams that finished 12-2 in the SEC and in the freaking top 5 in the final poll. He played teams that finished 2 and 5 in the final poll.

Dormady played a team that was 9-4 in the ACC last year and lost a ton of guys. They will finish about 7-5. The other team is not even an FBS team. In fact they are one of the worst FCS teams. 4-7 last year and 0-2 this year.

Yet still as a true freshman he was more accurate with more total yards vs top 5 teams than Dormady vs one mediocre team and one prep school team. The only reason his rating is higher is the td int ratio. If Dormady played two top 5 teams he has more picks than Dobbs had.

As a true FR playing two top 5 teams vs a JR playing two scrubs Dobbs did better. You can maybe argue that its close by stats. But when you factor in competition there is no doubt who was better through two starts.

 

[sjt18]

Sure it is. People are *****ing about QD for his 8 of 20 first half. Dobbs had 0 touchdowns and 5 turnovers in his first 3 starts. Where was the uproar then?

I know what you are trying to illustrate... but don't descend to the level of those guys. Dobbs' first 3 starts were against #7 Bama, #5 Mizzou, and #2 Auburn.

I can't side with someone unfairly tearing Dobbs down in trying to fight with those unfairly tearing another Vol down.

 

[k-town_king]

Sure it is. People are *****ing about QD for his 8 of 20 first half. Dobbs had 0 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in his first 3 starts. Where was the uproar then?

In all of 2013 and 2014, Dobbs had 11 touchdowns, 12 picks. If Dormady does that, this place would explode.

Who did they play and what year was each qb in? :crazy:

 

[whobethis16]

Who did they play and what year was each qb in? :crazy:

How many games has Dormady played in prior to this year? Same as Dobbs did. Yes, he is older, which is evident in how well he manages the game. But it still doesn't equate to playing in the games.

 

[whobethis16]

I know what you are trying to illustrate... but don't descend to the level of those guys. Dobbs' first 3 starts were against #7 Bama, #5 Mizzou, and #2 Auburn.

I can't side with someone unfairly tearing Dobbs down in trying to fight with those unfairly tearing another Vol down.

It's not really intended to be a tear down of Dobbs, but more of them whining so much about how "poorly Dormady has done", but not Dobbs.

 

[sjt18]

I am talking about last year and the year before. Dormady is not as good as Dobbs last year now. So there was an even bigger gap between the two the last two years while Dormady was learning the offense.

You really have no proof of any of that. QD and JD are very different players. QD and JG are more alike than either of them is like Dobbs. Part, not all, of QD's advantage is that he did pick the system up very well playing behind Dobbs. We have absolutely NOTHING that proves or disproves how much of a gap there was in that respect.

There is a reason they were not in a qb competition.

Yes. Because you don't have a QB competition when you have a returning starter unless that guy was really bad. Dobbs wasn't. In fact, they were customizing the O around Dobbs' unique talents by then... and his particular weaknesses. That would have made any competition between him and someone as different as Dormady... or even JG pointless.

NONE THE LESS... the coaches said that the QB's were "competing" every day in spring and fall even though Dobbs was clearly the starter. You really need to understand how Jones uses the word "compete". It very often has nothing to do with competing for a position on the depth chart or even playing time per se. It has to do with competing in practice with a focus on practice to get better... allowing that the other will take care of itself.

So Jones will say someone is "competing"... when they're nowhere close to overtaking a starter or even the back up.

Dormady and JG had both not started or played much at the beginning of the year. They were close enough to be competing for the job. So the gap is much, much closer. That is pretty simple to understand.

The job was open. You can continue your delusion as long as you like but there is increasing evidence that the competition was not really all that close. That's not a knock on JG. He's a talented guy who will be great if he sticks with it and works hard. But QD DID win the job and he's apparently been leading by a somewhat comfortable margin since the "competition" began. He had a head start... but he's also not the talentless spaz that you and others suggest he is.

It is beyond stupid to compare the first two starts. if you do it makes Dormady look even worse.

So you can't compare them... but then you say it makes Dormady look worse if you do? You do know you just contradicted yourself, right?

Yet still as a true freshman he was more accurate with more total yards vs top 5 teams than Dormady vs one mediocre team and one prep school team. The only reason his rating is higher is the td int ratio. If Dormady played two top 5 teams he has more picks than Dobbs had.

Not true... as you continue to compare things you've declared are incomparable. I happen to agree btw. The competition levels were different... as were the supporting casts... as were a lot of things.

As a true FR playing two top 5 teams vs a JR playing two scrubs Dobbs did better. You can maybe argue that its close by stats. But when you factor in competition there is no doubt who was better through two starts.

You declare "better" after comparing the incomparable... and parsing the statistics so that you get to claim victory.

If we count Bama, Dobbs passed for 57% in his first two games. Dormady is at 60%. Dobbs threw for 5.8 yds per attempt. Dormady is around 7.5. Dobbs had no TD's and two INT's. Dormady has 4 vs 1. Dobbs' QBR was just under 100 for those two games... Dormady is currently at 143.74.

NONE OF THIS means a thing.... except that your claims are false... again.

PS- if you go back and look at the debates going on here at that time that Dobbs took over.... KBVol and I were two of Dobbs' strongest supporters. There were a few much like you that were emotionally vested in Peterman. Like you, they claimed that Jones didn't give Peterman a "fair chance".

 

[UTFootballFan]

I never said we had a better option, but that doesn't mean he he is perfect? You must have limited reading skills, I have repeatedly said he is the best option and I support him fully! But expecting better results and decision making isn't railing him! It is stating the obvious, Dormady has made good decisions and Bad decisions. SEC defense won't be as forgiving when he makes mistakes! That is all I am saying, he needs to get better, I think most can agree on that.:loco:

What's with the reading skills insults? You sure seem to be nitpicking to the point it comes across you expect perfection from him. JG was even less perfect so what good does it do to continue to harp on Dormady?

 

[sjt18]

On the "better option" issue... I happen to think UT has two and maybe even 3 VERY GOOD options.

Funny how these guys are even willing to indirectly trash JG rather than just admit Dormady won the job because he played his way into it... and has good talent.

 

[whobethis16]

On the "better option" issue... I happen to think UT has two and maybe even 3 VERY GOOD options.

Funny how these guys are even willing to indirectly trash JG rather than just admit Dormady won the job because he played his way into it... and has good talent.

I'm clearly very big on Dormady, but I look forward to JG in two years. I really do.

 

[UTFootballFan]

On the "better option" issue... I happen to think UT has two and maybe even 3 VERY GOOD options.

Funny how these guys are even willing to indirectly trash JG rather than just admit Dormady won the job because he played his way into it... and has good talent.

Who is indirectly trashing JG?

I think JG is going to be an excellent qb in time. He just needs to pay his dues until he is up. That's if Jones doesn't recruit over him.

 

[sjt18]

Who is indirectly trashing JG?

I think JG is going to be an excellent qb in time. He just needs to pay his dues until he is up. That's if Jones doesn't recruit over him.

Guy said QD is the best option... and admitted that QD had beaten JG out... k-town has said as much over multiple posts. So effectively they've said QD isn't any good but is still the best option over JG. Indirectly... they've said JG isn't any good, right?

I'm with you. I think JG has an extremely bright future.

I think the thing that could scare him is if UT were to somehow end up signing Fields. I don't really think the two current commits have the physical ability to catch up in time to challenge him.

 

[UTFootballFan]

sjt18,
I see now. Hadn't read all of the posts close enough to pick up on that. In other words, if the JG fanboys say Dormady sucks even though the coaches say he beat out JG, what does that say about of JG.

I haven't followed the recruiting closely so I have real feel for the potential recruits other than I know Jones is a consumate recruiter and doesn't mind recruiting over a current player regardless of what he may have promised that player.

 

[k-town_king]

Guy said QD is the best option... and admitted that QD had beaten JG out... k-town has said as much over multiple posts. So effectively they've said QD isn't any good but is still the best option over JG. Indirectly... they've said JG isn't any good, right?

I'm with you. I think JG has an extremely bright future.

I think the thing that could scare him is if UT were to somehow end up signing Fields. I don't really think the two current commits have the physical ability to catch up in time to challenge him.

Your other post was also super long so I wont quote that one but you made a few bad points.

I think it stupid to compare their first two starts. But if you want to try to do that , even though its dumb, Dobbs looks better.

Number two Dobbs did not start vs Bama. His first two starts he completed 63% vs the number two and number 5 team. Dormady 60% vs two scrubs.

And you know the reason there was no competition was not just that Dobbs was a returning starter but also the much, much, much better player. This year that wasn't the case.

As for this post.

Qd did win the job. He is better at this point than JG. I still think JG has more talent. JG isn't ready yet. QD hasn't played well so far but should be the starter. Anyone that thinks QD has played great or well enough to beat good teams is wrong. That is not bashing either one.

Neither one looks good enough to beat ranked teams right now. Both have talent and potential.

 

[sjt18]

Your other post was also super long so I wont quote that one but you made a few bad points.

I think it stupid to compare their first two starts. But if you want to try to do that , even though its dumb, Dobbs looks better.

And... I gave you the actual numbers proving that he doesn't. But the you were right to say they weren't comparable... then proceeded with another effort to discredit Dormady by making the comparison you just said couldn't be made.

Number two Dobbs did not start vs Bama. His first two starts he completed 63% vs the number two and number 5 team. Dormady 60% vs two scrubs.

Dobbs went in the 3rd series vs Bama iirc.

So you want to parse the facts again to make your point... based on a comparison... that you said couldn't be made?

And you know the reason there was no competition was not just that Dobbs was a returning starter but also the much, much, much better player. This year that wasn't the case.

No. We don't "know" that. We've seen QD as the starter for 2 games. Of course this also depends on how you define "much better player". Was QD as a true Fr a better version of Dobbs as a rising Jr than Dobbs? Not close. That's as much of a oranges and apples comparison as you can make. OTOH, if you had attempted to force Dobbs to be a pocket passer and placing the ball into tight windows... Dobbs wouldn't have fared well.

At the point he joined the Vols there were two things that really meant QD would not compete with Dobbs for the job in any serious way.

One, Dobbs is a very talented, hardworking, and intelligent guy who had a two year head start including several starts. Two, UT had already started customizing the O around Dobbs' strengths and weaknesses. UT has not had a QB since Shuler who could have competed with Dobbs on those terms.

Qd did win the job. He is better at this point than JG. I still think JG has more talent. JG isn't ready yet. QD hasn't played well so far but should be the starter. Anyone that thinks QD has played great or well enough to beat good teams is wrong. That is not bashing either one.

QD did win the job. He is better than JG "at this point" which is all that matters... and in the EXACT same sense that Dobbs was better than QD at this point of QD's Fr year.

QD has played well so far. Not perfect. Still a great deal of room to improve... but MUCH better than you and a few others pretend. Since the first half of GT which should be at least a little understandable considering it was his first start, first play in real competition,... and the dropped passes.... QD has completed around 70% of his passes. He's frankly made a few precision throws that Dobbs didn't make... either he couldn't or wouldn't risk it. But again, that IS QD's game and was NOT Dobbs' game.

Has he played well enough to beat good teams? He beat a good team by completing 76% of his 2nd half pass attempts. He "managed" the O and led his team to a come back win.

So yeah... by declaring that you "know" he hasn't played well enough to beat good teams... is NOTHING BUT bashing. He may flop completely vs UF. The receivers may get the drops again. Anything can happen. But so far, QD hasn't played NEARLY as poorly as you want to believe.... and he is more talented than you want to believe.

Neither one looks good enough to beat ranked teams right now. Both have talent and potential.

If the OL, WR's, and RB's do their part... QD has played well enough for the O to compete with good teams. I suspect that JG would do OK as well. Neither is going to carry the team at this point IMO.

 

[vol445]

I think jg will be a phenomenal qb at some point. But he is not ready yet. His junior year he will explode

 

[Pacer92]

Your other post was also super long so I wont quote that one but you made a few bad points.

I think it stupid to compare their first two starts. But if you want to try to do that , even though its dumb, Dobbs looks better.

Number two Dobbs did not start vs Bama. His first two starts he completed 63% vs the number two and number 5 team. Dormady 60% vs two scrubs.

And you know the reason there was no competition was not just that Dobbs was a returning starter but also the much, much, much better player. This year that wasn't the case.

As for this post.

Qd did win the job. He is better at this point than JG. I still think JG has more talent. JG isn't ready yet. QD hasn't played well so far but should be the starter. Anyone that thinks QD has played great or well enough to beat good teams is wrong. That is not bashing either one.

Neither one looks good enough to beat ranked teams right now. Both have talent and potential.

 

[WorldVisionGuy]

Stop the madness.. Looks like JG will be a good player but he needs to grow up..

 

[johnrlansford]

What's with the reading skills insults? You sure seem to be nitpicking to the point it comes across you expect perfection from him. JG was even less perfect so what good does it do to continue to harp on Dormady?

That is my point that Dormady isn't perfect and others have crowned him the next great QB in Vols history.

All I am saying is he has had a slow start and will get better, but he needs to improve before SEC play for us to compete in the east! That is it, I like Dormady, I think he can develop into a good QB, Great QB we will have to wait and see.

No one on here can say Dormady is great! it is just a fact, that isn't a knock on Dormady he has only made 2 starts. But sitting for 2 years I just expected him to be more game ready, I hope my worries are wrong and he destroys Florida this Sat. but I am not the only person who fears his play against SEC defenses right now!