Jarrett Guarantano

[whobethis16]

His head is in the direction on of the interception at all times, if he did look at another receiver the Defender didn'y know it...It is a clear stare down!

Ok, yeah, the head always turns when you move your eyes, there's no such thing as peripheral vision. You're right.

 

[johnrlansford]

Ok, yeah, the head always turns when you move your eyes, there's no such thing as peripheral vision. You're right.

peripheral vision isn't effective to keep the defender from thinking you are eyeing a revceiver. You have to physically turn your head to look off a receiver. Facts are Facts!

 

[goinuponatuesday]

SJT, let me know where exactly Dormady doesn't stare down his receiver on the Interception?

He had callaway open for a quick hit in the endzone

 

[whobethis16]

peripheral vision isn't effective to keep the defender from thinking you are eyeing a revceiver. You have to physically turn your head to look off a receiver. Facts are Facts!

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that just because a head doesn't turn means he didn't look at another receiver. Especially when there's one that's in the exact same line of sight. Now if there was only one receiver over there, absolutely, but there was two.

So there's no way you can 100% say he didn't look at two guys.

 

[TheDeeble]

peripheral vision isn't effective to keep the defender from thinking you are eyeing a revceiver. You have to physically turn your head to look off a receiver. Facts are Facts!

And when 3 potential receivers are on the same side of the field? 5 potential targets but 3 are on the same side.

One wr stops at the goal line on the right hash, another wr goes to the corner of the end zone, and a TE goes out to the flat.

From that camera perspective nobody can say where he is or isn't looking. He might be looking at one person, he might be scanning the defense on that side before making a throw.

 

[johnrlansford]

He had callaway open for a quick hit in the endzone

I agree he stared down his receiver, it is ok that he did it it was a mistake. But people fail to see anything that he does as a bad decision. And you are a hater for pointing anything out that he does wrong.

Dormady has potential to be good, but needs to improve to beat SEC defenses.

 

[whobethis16]

And when 3 potential receivers are on the same side of the field? 5 potential targets but 3 are on the same side.

One wr stops at the goal line on the right hash, another wr goes to the corner of the end zone, and a TE goes out to the flat.

From that camera perspective nobody can say where he is or isn't looking. He might be looking at one person, he might be scanning the defense on that side before making a throw.

He HAS to make his head look like a bobble head, duh.

 

[johnrlansford]

And when 3 potential receivers are on the same side of the field? 5 potential targets but 3 are on the same side.

One wr stops at the goal line on the right hash, another wr goes to the corner of the end zone, and a TE goes out to the flat.

From that camera perspective nobody can say where he is or isn't looking. He might be looking at one person, he might be scanning the defense on that side before making a throw.

Whatever helps you sleep at night! He stared down the receiver, I was at the game sitting behind the endzone he threw the interception into, no one in the building didn't know where the ball was going, even the defender obviously.

It was a bad decision nothing more, its ok to make mistakes it was only his 2nd start. I am sure he doens't think it was a good decision, so why are people trying to justify a bad decision?

 

[whobethis16]

I agree he stared down his receiver, it is ok that he did it it was a mistake. But people fail to see anything that he does as a bad decision. And you are a hater for pointing anything out that he does wrong.

Dormady has potential to be good, but needs to improve to beat SEC defenses.

We've all said that was a bad pass/decision. But we're not naive to say things like "he always stares down receivers!" when there are possibilities he doesn't, when when it appears he did.

 

[UTFootballFan]

Whatever helps you sleep at night! He stared down the receiver, I was at the game sitting behind the endzone he threw the interception into, no one in the building didn't know where the ball was going, even the defender obviously.

It was a bad decision nothing more, its ok to make mistakes it was only his 2nd start. I am sure he doens't think it was a good decision, so why are people trying to justify a bad decision?

He has already acknowledge he blew it on that play. It does no good to keep using that play to beat up on him.

It would be easy to continually harp on JG for the play where he got hammered as he threw the ball into the middle of the field with the closest player nearby being a defender. What good would it do to keep harping on that one play?

 

[114VOL]

I agree he stared down his receiver, it is ok that he did it it was a mistake. But people fail to see anything that he does as a bad decision. And you are a hater for pointing anything out that he does wrong.

Dormady has potential to be good, but needs to improve to beat SEC defenses.

No, you're not a hater. You are though, extremely persistent as to pointing out his mistakes and in doing so, have exposed your lack of knowledge concerning the QB position and the game overall. You also seem more concerned with discussing his weaknesses instead of acknowledging QD's strengths. I don't necessarily believe you're a glass half-empty kind of guy. I just think you don't want to accept the FACT that QD is the better player

 

[TheDeeble]

Whatever helps you sleep at night! He stared down the receiver, I was at the game sitting behind the endzone he threw the interception into, no one in the building didn't know where the ball was going, even the defender obviously.

It was a bad decision nothing more, its ok to make mistakes it was only his 2nd start. I am sure he doens't think it was a good decision, so why are people trying to justify a bad decision?

I don't think anyone is trying to justify a bad decision.

All I'm saying is nobody can tell what he's looking at based on the video provided. All anyone can really say from that video is he was looking at the right side of the field.

 

[avolation]

We've all said that was a bad pass/decision. But we're not naive to say things like "he always stares down receivers!" when there are possibilities he doesn't, when when it appears he did.

He may very well have glanced at Wolf in the flat, then noticed Palmer sitting down too close to the LB, and decided to throw it to the back of the end one. However if his shoulders and head stayed squared up with the receiver in the back of the end zone the whole time, he stared down the receiver. Where Dormady's head and shoulders were facing is all that matters to DB's. So yes, he stared down the receiver on that one because frankly we'll never know where his eyes where. If you wanna see a QB who goes through his progressions well, go look up some Jared Goff highlights.

At this point in the thread it has nothing to do with QD's abilities. Just simply trying to prove the people wrong who say he's not staring down receivers. Dormady should still be starting over JG, so I'm not sure why some of you are taking this so personally.

 

[volfan102455]

He may very well have glanced at Wolf in the flat, then noticed Palmer sitting down too close to the LB, and decided to throw it to the back of the end one. However if his shoulders and head stayed squared up with the receiver in the back of the end zone the whole time, he stared down the receiver. Where Dormady's head and shoulders were facing is all that matters to DB's. So yes, he stared down the receiver on that one because frankly we'll never know where his eyes where. If you wanna see a QB who goes through his progressions well, go look up some Jared Goff highlights.

So you are saying a QB can't square their shoulders and head looking one way and then move them to throw the football somewhere else if their eyes see someone else open?

 

[whobethis16]

He may very well have glanced at Wolf in the flat, then noticed Palmer sitting down too close to the LB, and decided to throw it to the back of the end one. However if his shoulders and head stayed squared up with the receiver in the back of the end zone the whole time, he stared down the receiver. Where Dormady's head and shoulders were facing is all that matters to DB's. So yes, he stared down the receiver on that one because frankly we'll never know where his eyes where. If you wanna see a QB who goes through his progressions well, go look up some Jared Goff highlights.

At this point in the thread it has nothing to do with QD's abilities. Just simply trying to prove the people wrong who say he's not staring down receivers. Dormady should still be starting over JG, so I'm not sure why some of you are taking this so personally.

So, one time means he does it enough to use it against him? It was a mistake. The people who are saying it are acting like he always does, and not that it was a mistake. It was. In his second game with meaningful action, against a vastly inferior opponent, where he was to get work in. Why are some you harping on it so much?

 

[volfan102455]

And the interesting thing about the play that everyone is focused on is that ALL receivers were headed in the direction of the throw. So I believe the play call was a pass to that corner.

The play itself just looks odd - with all the receivers headed the same direction - of course the DB's are going to be bunched up. The pass needed to be an over the back shoulder of the WR not in front of him.

But he was looking to the corner where ALL the WR's were headed to.

 

[avolation]

So you are saying a QB can't square their shoulders and head looking one way and then move them to throw the football somewhere else if their eyes see someone else open?

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion after reading my post. Yes, a qb should re-square up his shoulders to the receiver that's open. Qb's like Peyton and my aforementioned Jared Goff are really good at keeping their feet moving to do just that. QD had been relatively flat footed in the pocket thus far and may be contributing to what I'm seeing as staring down receivers.

 

[whobethis16]

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion after reading my post. Yes, a qb should re-square up his shoulders to the receiver that's open. Qb's like Peyton and my aforementioned Jared Goff are really good at keeping their feet moving to do just that. QD had been relatively flat footed in the pocket thus far and may be contributing to what I'm seeing as staring down receivers.

That's really if he's going to make the throw. That has no bearing on whether or not he looked at the receiver underneath on that play, that is directly in his line of sight.

 

[sjt18]

SJT, let me know where exactly Dormady doesn't stare down his receiver on the Interception?

He looked at the short route first.

Here's the youtube link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4bCw2iDTPE

The play occurs around the 9:15 mark of the video. Dormady either attempted to look the D off or considered throwing to Wolf first. You may have to watch the play on a TV or go full screen on your computer to see it.

Now stop the video at 9:20 and you'll see why his head and shoulders were turned in that direction. There were 5 receivers in the pattern. Wolf ran an out from the H-Back position to that side. Palmer ran a hook from the outside position after motioning in on that side. Johnson ran the corner route from the slot. MC ran a deep drag across the back of the end zone or else broke off a skinny post toward that side of the field. The RB ran an underneath drag in that direction also.

Why would he look to the other side of the field when there were no receivers on that side of the field? In his field of vision when you claim he was staring Johnson down... you already have 3 receivers.

I don't know if MC and the RB were on dummy routes or not... but both of them were open.

It was a very bad read and play. He flat out didn't see and account for that DB. But even if WERE staring Johnson down... you couldn't prove it since he had 3 receivers in his field of vision to that side. If he were looking at his keys then he still would have been eying down the DB's on that side.

He should have seen that there were two many defenders in that area and checked back to the middle. MC was briefly open early. The RB was open and would have scored with a block or two.

 

[sjt18]

SJT since you are always looking for examples to be cited, here you go. I know this one is cherry picked, but we'll start here with the whole "staring down receivers" argument. ONCE AGAIN, I am not saying Dormady sucks, or making a case for JG to start, simply arguing against your claim that he doesn't stare down routes. This ball probably should have either gone to Callaway or been thrown to the back corner of the end zone.

No, DB's being around a receiver doesn't necessarily equate to double coverage. Technically, double coverage means that a CB is playing man on a receiver with a safety providing help over the top. In my opinion the term is applicable when the DB's have as good of a chance of catching (or getting a hand on) the ball as the receiver does. Double coverage means two DB's were in a position to make a play on the ball, triple coverage means three db's and so on. If you don't agree with that, I really don't know what to tell ya.



I'm a lot of things but biased is not one of them. You can disagree with my opinion if you want to, but my armchair evaluations are strictly based on player's performance.

See my previous post. You have to look at it in a large frame but Dormady DOES look in Wolf's direction first. He DOES have 3 routes in the direct he was turned. Wolf might have made a short gain. The other two were covered.

His first good play was actually to the other side with MC on a skinny post. That suggests a bad pre-snap read. Afterwards, you can see the RB shake loose on an underneath drag.

It was a bad play. It was not an example of staring a receiver down. If it was... he's blind because the DB was there.

 

[sjt18]

Josh Palmer hasn't caught a TD this season

Yeah. I mistakenly crossed him up with Johnson.

 

[johnrlansford]

No, you're not a hater. You are though, extremely persistent as to pointing out his mistakes and in doing so, have exposed your lack of knowledge concerning the QB position and the game overall. You also seem more concerned with discussing his weaknesses instead of acknowledging QD's strengths. I don't necessarily believe you're a glass half-empty kind of guy. I just think you don't want to accept the FACT that QD is the better player

No if you have ready any of my early posts you would see that I have said over and over again that he did some good stuff and some bad stuff I am just defending myself against the comments that nothing he has done was bad.

I think he looked ok in his frist 2 starts but I am scared going into SEC play because I don't feel he is where he should be as a junior Starting QB.

I know he will improve ( I hope) but he hasn't been perfect like others would want you to think. Unlike most on here I can see and argue for Both situations, the good and the bad. But I become a hater defending a point that is valid in the area where it matters.

Saying he needs to improve before SEC play is an accurate statement, failure to recognize that need shows a lack of realistic expectations for our football team.

But thanks next time I need to be educated on Football I will come to you since you obviously know more than me!

 

[sjt18]

How do you know he didn't look at the TE on the flat? He's on the same side of the field, wouldn't have to turn his body to look at him, etc?

He did look in Wolf's direction first. If you look at a large enough image, you can see him do it. Hook was almost in line with where he threw the ball as well.

 

[johnrlansford]

See my previous post. You have to look at it in a large frame but Dormady DOES look in Wolf's direction first. He DOES have 3 routes in the direct he was turned. Wolf might have made a short gain. The other two were covered.

His first good play was actually to the other side with MC on a skinny post. That suggests a bad pre-snap read. Afterwards, you can see the RB shake loose on an underneath drag.

It was a bad play. It was not an example of staring a receiver down. If it was... he's blind because the DB was there.

Ok you saw what you saw and I saw what I saw, Go figure.

I hope we can both atleast agree that Dormady needs to be better overall against SEC Defenses...That is the only point i was trying to make. I hope he improves and lights it up an dgets drafted in the first round next year. I want him to succeed, because if he does the Vols succeed! Go Vols!

 

[sjt18]

He had callaway open for a quick hit in the endzone

Correct. If he had made a pre-snap read correctly, he would have immediately hit MC on that short post. Even post snap he had an opportunity to come back to the RB underneath.