Jancek gone? (rumor)

If Dave Hart's 100M+ budget is being blown by increasing the salary of a DC by 500-750k, he needs to gtfo.

You are looking at this too simply. That 100M goes to much much more than just football. Athletic departments are much like corporations. They have high overhead costs. Just think about everything that has to get funded. 1M for a coordinator is 1/100 of that budget. Doesn't that seem like a lot for one guy.
 
Not trying to fuel this fire...but I can say several Vol fans on Twitter appear to be very confident that Shoop to Tennessee will be announced Monday Fwiw. Have no idea what their stats are though...

Doug Mathews said he would address this tomorrow on Big Orange Sunday at 8 or 9 am... But if it is Jancek's last game as UT DC, he pitched a gem to go out on
 
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yes. if we only did it one year then historically we have been cheap.

This is not to imply we are not opening up the bank right now because I believe CBJ has money to make moves if he chooses to do so.

Not sure what the Steele comment has to do with this discussion.

One year (big name) high priced hire is the context. :). I guess my minor annoyance is with the blanket statement of Tennessee "cheapness". In the relatively short era of million dollar coordinators who have we LOST due to that cheapness? Since we've been rebuilding, who have we failed to hire for money rather than program stability purposes? You brought up Fulmer's financial battles with admin? He got a chunk of money in his golden parachute and we lost Cut twice...to HC jobs. Just don't see your coupon theory manifested in any solid examples. :hi:
 
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Dude is a jack***. No one likes him besides himself and some of his family. Penn State fans aren't even backing him anymore.

And the thing that gets me the most are all the guys who haven't taken the time to look at his time,results and the circumstances at Vandie, who talk about him as one of the great coaches in the country. He's just not. If you look at what he did at Vandie, it's ONLY impressive relative to what Vandie has done for decades. Truth is, the stars aligned perfectly for him there with regards to a historically bad Tennessee team and an awful SEC East. He never finished higher than 4th in the SEC East, was 11-13 in the SEC in 3 years, lost to all the good teams and only beat the bad teams, while not playing Alabama in either of his 9 win seasons. It was all stars aligning type stuff and smoke and mirrors and now we're seeing that at PennState. He's a fraud who can't do as well 4 years after the whole Paterno mess as OBrien did the 2 immediate years following it. And, oh yeah, he's s dick. An arrogant, condescending, narcissistic, thin-skinned ass who is now being exposed as not a very good head football coach to boot.
 
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The decision to shell out a million on a coordinator is one that is made with high level donors. We could easily get a coordinator for much less (as we are all aware). Ticket prices pay for our great facilities and stadiums (among many other things).

And the 30-40M TV deal distribution and the Nike royalties?
 
And the thing that gets me the most are all the guys who haven't taken the time to look at his time,results and the circumstances at Vandie, who talk about him as one of the great coaches in the country. He's just not. If you look at what he did at Vandie, it's ONLY impressive relative to what Vandie has done for decades. Truth is, the stars aligned perfectly for him there with regards to a historically bad Tennessee team and an awful SEC East. He never finished higher than 4th in the SEC East, was 11-13 in the SEC in 3 years, lost to all the good teams and only beat the bad teams, while not playing Alabama in either of his 9 win seasons. It was all stars aligning type stuff and smoke and mirrors and now we're seeing that at PennState. He's a fraud who can't do as well 4 years after the whole Paterno mess as OBrien did the 2 immediate years following it. And, oh yeah, he's s dick. An arrogant, condescending, narcissistic, thin-skinned ass who is now being exposed as not a very good head football coach to boot.
Couldn't have said it any better.
 
You are looking at this too simply. That 100M goes to much much more than just football. Athletic departments are much like corporations. They have high overhead costs. Just think about everything that has to get funded. 1M for a coordinator is 1/100 of that budget. Doesn't that seem like a lot for one guy.

Not if the return on investment and a winning football team is added in. Just look at Nick Saban, his $7 million price tag,$1.5 for Kirby Smart,$750k-$1mil for Kiffin,$650k for a strength coach. They are printing money because of the return on investment. They could pay Saban $12 mil/yr and it would be worth it and pay off. You have to find the right coach and fit, when you do, you pay accordingly
 
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If I'm not mistaken the Forbes article recently stated we are 3rd in Total Revenue, and we were 2nd in net revenue. So I believe we've dug enough out of the deficit that we can afford to pay up for elite assistants. It's an investment the better we continue to be the more they will make.
 
One year (big name) high priced hire is the context. :). I guess my minor annoyance is with the blanket statement of Tennessee "cheapness". In the relatively short era of million dollar coordinators who have we LOST due to that cheapness? Since we've been rebuilding, who have we failed to hire for money rather than program stability purposes? You brought up Fulmer's financial battles with admin? He got a chunk of money in his golden parachute and we lost Cut twice...to HC jobs. Just don't see your coupon theory manifested in any solid examples. :hi:

I think Dave Clawson is a prime example. He fit the budget Fulmer was given.

I think Phil was the 4th highest paid coach when fired and that was after the raise he was given the year before. I think he was more middle if the pack prior to that.

And the Kiffin comparisons-- while his staff was highly paid, his contract was about 1 million per lower than Fulmer's.
 
Lolol...but he wasn't the one I was referring to

I know, I'm sure Doug Mathews isn't on Twitter. A caller on College football Saturday called in about the rumors and wanting his opinion on it, he didn't answer any of it, just that he would address what he is hearing on tomorrow's show
 
I know the fans you are talking about and they have some decent rep. One of them called Bajaklan leaving last year.

I don't know the PSU 24/7 mod that people contributed the smoke quote to...but did someone say Hubbs weighed in on it?
 
Hart also has to be willing to offer more than he wants as well. We will see if he is willing. But there is def reason for this going around. The CSU news is surprising. I'm surprised he isn't top couple candidates. Might indicate how much higher we view him as a DC compared to others in the business


TOS is reporting that Shoop will require a 3 year deal and that Hart has been unwilling to do it so far. Not saying Hart has refused to in this case but he values structure over all else with contracts. Butch got a raise but no extension and we got Donnie Tyndall because he was willing to take a below market value structure when Mike White and Cuonzo Martin wouldn't. It is his M.O. and I find it very believable that it would be a sticking point here.

-From Vols 247 about what I was talking about before.
 
Not if the return on investment and a winning football team is added in. Just look at Nick Saban, his $7 million price tag,$1.5 for Kirby Smart,$750k-$1mil for Kiffin,$650k for a strength coach. They are printing money because of the return on investment. They could pay Saban $12 mil/yr and it would be worth it and pay off. You have to find the right coach and fit, when you do, you pay accordingly

Nick Saban earned his 7M per year. I would rather we do the same. Find a good candidate who doesn't demand 1M+ a year. But let him earn it. As you say, we should be willing to pay that money, but just let the coach earn it first.
 
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And the 30-40M TV deal distribution and the Nike royalties?

The Nike royalties are new. But even so, we don't know how that money gets distributed. It's easy to sit back and yell at Hart to dump all of it on butch's head, but it's never that easy. Even with Adidas money and the TV contracts, we were still in the red for several years. Personally, I think Hart has done an admirable job restructuring the AD. The department is leaner and meaner. The hate for Harr just seems ignorant.
 
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I think Dave Clawson is a prime example. He fit the budget Fulmer was given.

I think Phil was the 4th highest paid coach when fired and that was after the raise he was given the year before. I think he was more middle if the pack prior to that.

And the Kiffin comparisons-- while his staff was highly paid, his contract was about 1 million per lower than Fulmer's.

Ok? What superstar OC did Fulmer pass on to get to that bargain bin Clawson? Was Michigan also cheap because DeBord was in the running? Fulmer was middle of the pack for 5 minutes then became very handsomely paid NOT to coach. Since you brought up Kiffin again I'd say paying a first time COLLEGE HC 1 mil less than a fifteen year NC winning HOF skipper, doesn't conjure up a Scrooge cartoon. :)
 
I don't know the PSU 24/7 mod that people contributed the smoke quote to...but did someone say Hubbs weighed in on it?

Yes and the PSU 247 mod is apparently well trusted by some on their board. Hubbs has weighed in some and Doug Matthews will do so tomorrow. Some think as soon as Monday we could have him hired.
 
Toledo DC job open...quick lets start a rumor Jancek to the Rockets!

Iowa State: WTOL reports Toledo defensive coordinator Jon Heacock will join the Iowa State staff as defensive coordinator. The offer has been on the table for some time, but Heacock was weighing his options. This would complete Matt Campbell's staff
 
Yes and the PSU 247 mod is apparently well trusted by some on their board. Hubbs has weighed in some and Doug Matthews will do so tomorrow. Some think as soon as Monday we could have him hired.

I understand that you evaluate and upgrade...just seems bad PR to fire a guy who had a decent year
 
If the rumors about Gattis coming as well are true. I like that, he really did a good job developing Jordan Mathews who was a 2* recruit. Even the other WRs they had at Vandy did ok. I believe he could do a good job with our WRs. He is also an offensive recruiting coordinator meaning he must be a good recruiter.
 
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As expected, per Football Scoop.
Virginia Tech: Memphis defensive coordinator Galen Scott will join the Virginia Tech staff per source.

Interesting stuff here. Bud foster to Ut. Jancek to Memphis. Gruden to Vols!!

Blue is everywhere
 
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I understand that you evaluate and upgrade...just seems bad PR to fire a guy who had a decent year

Most think it's like a Bajakan move. Mutual in form. Also seems less likely with Hart not wanting a 3 year deal for a DC.
 
This could also be end of the football season push to get subscribers to paid sites..do you guys every wonder why the uncommitted guys get the biggest bumps?

Doubt that. Recruiting is hitting its peak and generates subscriptions as much if not more than football season.
 
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