Its my body,

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Purple Tiger said:
It's plain and simple. If pro-life folks don't want to take personal and financial (or even parental) responsibility for these unaborted and unwanted children, then they should keep their stupid mouths shut and let women make their own decisions.
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I’m semi pro-life/pro-choice but 100% personal responsibility..... we seem to have lost that somewhere along the way.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
It's plain and simple. If pro-life folks don't want to take personal and financial (or even parental) responsibility for these unaborted and unwanted children, then they should keep their stupid mouths shut and let women make their own decisions.
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That's an absurd line of reasoning.

So if a parent smothers their 6 year old with a pillow to avoid the responsibility, I shouldn't have anything to say about that unless I was willing to adopt that kid? Or does your logic only apply to babies somehow?

"If someone doesn't take this kid I'm going to kill them. Going once.. Going twice.. Well I guess I'm off the hook then."

That isn't how murder works.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
That's an absurd line of reasoning.

So if a parent smothers their 6 year old with a pillow to avoid the responsibility, I shouldn't have anything to say about that unless I was willing to adopt that kid? Or does your logic only apply to babies somehow?

"If someone doesn't take this kid I'm going to kill them. Going once.. Going twice.. Well I guess I'm off the hook then."

That isn't how murder works.
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Purps seems to think it's a gotcha moment to shame folks for not taking personal responsibility for others decisions while opening the door to death to prevent someone from taking personal responsibility of their own. Astonishing, to be honest.
 
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PointGuard said:
When and where did they do that? I watched Trumps nightly dog and pony show. Seriously! I Never saw that

Isn’t the 2. 5 million present cases and rising quickly Actually called millions?
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They started early on with their models that deaths would be in the millions. I never watched the dog and pony show, I can't tolerate that bs, I did follow the early predictions until I realized their numbers were going to be way off. They were off by several millions of deaths.
 
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utvols88 said:
Purps seems to think it's a gotcha moment to shame folks for not taking personal responsibility for others decisions while opening the door to death to prevent someone from taking personal responsibility of their own. Astonishing, to be honest.
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No. Purps is actually challenging evangelicals who loudly protest abortion rights but are unwilling to open maternity homes, orphanages or put in place a comprehensive adoption system to do so. The first evangelical anti-abortion Christian minister I remember who did those things is Dr. Jerry Falwell, and I greatly admired him for that. It is not Christian to ignore unwanted children who need good homes and proper parental care. The Bible says we are obligated with taking care of orphans.

4 Things the Bible Says About Orphans - Show Hope
 
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Purple Tiger said:
No. Purps is actually challenging evangelicals who loudly protest abortion rights but are unwilling to open maternity homes, orphanages or put in place a comprehensive adoption system to do so. The first evangelical anti-abortion Christian minister I remember who did those things is Dr. Jerry Falwell, and I greatly admired him for that. It is not Christian to ignore unwanted children who need good homes and proper parental care. The Bible says we are obligated with taking care of orphans.

4 Things the Bible Says About Orphans - Show Hope
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Not true, the problem is the government has put so many regulations in place preventing "Christian" organizations for performing these functions and remain Christian. Wonder who pushed those agendas? Look at the number of Christian organizations supporting orphanages and adoptions outside the US borders.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
No.

An embryo is not a child. It’s not even born.
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As you were asked, why are you worried about it being born. Embryo is a scientific term. Child is a sociological term.

-When a woman is pregnant is she with embryo or with child?
Birth is another phase of human development, just as is the embryonic stage.
 
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Septic said:
It's sad that you have to use an appeal to emotion in order to conflate what your opponents really want, the ability to make a choice when it comes to their reproductive rights.
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It's pretty pathetic that you think that being pro-life is about trying to control someones reproductive rigths.
Let's start there. Where do these rights exist? And how do those rights permit a woman to destroy a unique developing human?
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Then there would be overcrowding as there wouldn’t be enough adoptions, the chance they end up in a bad home, and possibly more poverty if they’re not given up for adoption due to childcare costs.
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Yeah it almost like actions have consquences. Still doesnt give the right to a mother to kill her child.

I also think it should be easier and cheaper to adopt in this country.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
No. Purps is actually challenging evangelicals who loudly protest abortion rights but are unwilling to open maternity homes, orphanages or put in place a comprehensive adoption system to do so. The first evangelical anti-abortion Christian minister I remember who did those things is Dr. Jerry Falwell, and I greatly admired him for that. It is not Christian to ignore unwanted children who need good homes and proper parental care. The Bible says we are obligated with taking care of orphans.

4 Things the Bible Says About Orphans - Show Hope
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Leaving religion out of it, I fully endorse the improvement and dedication to adoption services.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Not true, the problem is the government has put so many regulations in place preventing "Christian" organizations for performing these functions and remain Christian. Wonder who pushed those agendas? Look at the number of Christian organizations supporting orphanages and adoptions outside the US borders.
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The Catholics have been running orphanages in the US since the 1700s and adoption agencies here for a long time.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
No.



An embryo is not a child. It’s not even born.
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Tell that to a mom who wants that child born and loses it for any number of reasons. Really shouldnt just say the mom, the family in general.

You are ok with killing someone because they are unwanted and possibly poor. What the eff kind of justification is that?
 
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LouderVol said:
Tell that to a mom who wants that child born and loses it for any number of reasons. Really shouldnt just say the mom, the family in general.

You are ok with killing someone because they are unwanted and possibly poor. What the eff kind of justification is that?
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Jarheads ain’t right in the head. Give him a break.
 
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Septic said:
It's sad that you have to use an appeal to emotion in order to conflate what your opponents really want, the ability to make a choice when it comes to their reproductive rights.
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No said they had to have sex. No one at all.

They made their choice. They engaged in the one act that traditionally leads to pregnancy. Physiologically (that may not be the right word) there is no biological difference in having sex to have sex or having sex to get pregnant. Choice of deciding to suddenly become pregnant has never been on the table. Just like the choice to not be pregnant shouldnt be on the table.

You are making your own emotional argument because there isnt an non emotional argument to be had. Or at least not one being presented. She shouldnt be pregnant after engaging in the one action that directly leads to pregnancy because of wanting a child or not? That is an emotional argument.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
No. Purps is actually challenging evangelicals who loudly protest abortion rights but are unwilling to open maternity homes, orphanages or put in place a comprehensive adoption system to do so. The first evangelical anti-abortion Christian minister I remember who did those things is Dr. Jerry Falwell, and I greatly admired him for that. It is not Christian to ignore unwanted children who need good homes and proper parental care. The Bible says we are obligated with taking care of orphans.

4 Things the Bible Says About Orphans - Show Hope
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Look at the adoption rate among evangelicals. It’s twice as high as the rest of the population. My friend adopted an Asian boy who was missing an eye. Look at the money evangelicals donate to support these causes. You’re barking up the wrong tree.
 
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Septic said:
The pro-life looses the argument the second they delve into the accusations of their opponents being 'pro-murder' while intentionally looking to misrepresent their position. The people in this thread suggesting people use it as some sort of convenient birth control tool while not acknowledging before we get there, one must acknowledge that they are actively looking to circumvent the rights of the mothers decisions with their healthcare provider.
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Mother wants to kill herself and goes to the doctor for assisted suicide is one thing.

Mother going to the doctor to kill her child is something completely different.

The first is a right. The second is not.

It's not her health being terminated. Throw in some risk to the mom on these abortions and the argument about it being her body her choice makes sense. Make it a 1/6 it kills her too Russian Roulette style.

My body my choice that someone else dies? Not internally consistent.

My body my choice to kill myself. Internally consistent.
 
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Septic said:
Fair enough, the Roosevelt one is a head scratcher - especially when his decedent approved of the removal.

Christopher Columbus was a scumbag, he never deserved a tribute. What was the rationale for tearing down Grant?
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If I was a native I would be pissed about him having statues. Or are they traitors to America too?
 
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