Its my body,

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Septic said:
It's sad that you have to use an appeal to emotion in order to conflate what your opponents really want, the ability to make a choice when it comes to their reproductive rights.
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I’m actually torn on this issue and feel like the first trimester is ok to have an abortion.....I do feel that a lot people use it as convenience instead of making responsible decisions.
 
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Wireless1 said:
I thought feelings were the only thing important to the left.... Waaaa that hurt my feelings, we need to pull down that statue.....
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You stand corrected then, apparently.

Also, "waaaa, they're pulling down that statue of the guy that was a leader of the side that LOST."

Why do we even have tributes to losers?

What you see, depends on where you sit.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m actually torn on this issue and feel like the first trimester is ok to have an abortion.....I do feel that a lot people use it as convenience instead of making responsible decisions.
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The pro-life looses the argument the second they delve into the accusations of their opponents being 'pro-murder' while intentionally looking to misrepresent their position. The people in this thread suggesting people use it as some sort of convenient birth control tool while not acknowledging before we get there, one must acknowledge that they are actively looking to circumvent the rights of the mothers decisions with their healthcare provider.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m actually torn on this issue and feel like the first trimester is ok to have an abortion.....I do feel that a lot people use it as convenience instead of making responsible decisions.
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First trimester may not be long enough to truly determine issues if you aren't looking for them. For example, we knew there were genetic issues that needed to be checked so we went with an early cvs test (even knowing the risks it could cause). My wife endured it 3 times in multiple pregnancies. Had we not done genetic counseling we would never have known what the potential issues were or how to check for them. That's why big blanket laws will never cover everyone
 
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Septic said:
The pro-life looses the argument the second they delve into the accusations of their opponents being 'pro-murder' while intentionally looking to misrepresent their position. The people in this thread suggesting people use it as some sort of convenient birth control tool while not acknowledging before we get there, one must acknowledge that they are actively looking to circumvent the rights of the mothers decisions with their healthcare provider.
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I think a lot of people do use it as a form of birth control.

I have issues with the fact that, and not a Republican have you, that the Rep. will not acquiesce into a more moderate standing. I get they think it is a mortal sin, but, free will is the gift, and God has no hand in anything, it's people making choices. If the choice is "evil" and there is a God, then judgement will be passed by him on their judgement day.

As a political issue, it kills them.

I take issue with the way the Dem's are so willing to pay for everything, and use it as a political tool which they have no concern about, women's rights, as that is secondary to the platform, it's fake and lip service. I do not want federally funded, if states amd cities want to then I can at least deal with that as the locals will have a say at some point. But, the federal involvement ($) needs to disappear.
 
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Septic said:
You stand corrected then, apparently.

Also, "waaaa, they're pulling down that statue of the guy that was a leader of the side that LOST."

Why do we even have tributes to losers?

What you see, depends on where you sit.
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US Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, and Christopher Columbus didn't lose.
 
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Septic said:
You stand corrected then, apparently.

Also, "waaaa, they're pulling down that statue of the guy that was a leader of the side that LOST."

Why do we even have tributes to losers?

What you see, depends on where you sit.
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George Washington and Ulysses Grant were confederates?

Who knew
 
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Septic said:
The pro-life looses the argument the second they delve into the accusations of their opponents being 'pro-murder' while intentionally looking to misrepresent their position. The people in this thread suggesting people use it as some sort of convenient birth control tool while not acknowledging before we get there, one must acknowledge that they are actively looking to circumvent the rights of the mothers decisions with their healthcare provider.
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I’m not actively looking to circumvent anything...... those are two separate arguments
 
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utvolpj said:
First trimester may not be long enough to truly determine issues if you aren't looking for them. For example, we knew there were genetic issues that needed to be checked so we went with an early cvs test (even knowing the risks it could cause). My wife endured it 3 times in multiple pregnancies. Had we not done genetic counseling we would never have known what the potential issues were or how to check for them. That's why big blanket laws will never cover everyone
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I didn’t go into a long discussion..... I was just meaning an abortion bc you don’t want a baby should be first trimester.... I think due to medical reasons( baby or mom) could be much later.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I didn’t go into a long discussion..... I was just meaning an abortion bc you don’t want a baby should be first trimester.... I think due to medical reasons( baby or mom) could be much later.
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then you have to define "don't want" for others. Very hard to do in a law written in a capitol
 
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utvolpj said:
Now define defect and emergency

No one can or will address it all. Some will lose their choice
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They can definitely discuss with medical professionals where that lines to be drawn..... it takes communication on both sides of the aisle to try and do the right thing for everyone involved.
 
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ajvol01 said:
I guess we shouldn’t act like abortion is “safe, legal and rare”.

It has morphed into post-sex birth control that is more aptly described as “frequent, commonplace and celebrated”.

Condoms work. So does the pill. So does abstinence- 100% of the time.

There’s no good reason why so many abortions happen in this country every year. There’s absolutely no excuse for why it has been marketed by Hollywood personalities and the media as noble and women’s reproductive rights.

This misrepresentation is pure evil. Just my opinion.
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Do will you be abstaining for the rest of your life? Or just your wife?
 
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volbeast33 said:
They can definitely discuss with medical professionals where that lines to be drawn..... it takes communication on both sides of the aisle to try and do the right thing for everyone involved.
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Or just leave politicians out of it. That's the best choice
 
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Wireless1 said:
US Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, and Christopher Columbus didn't lose.
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Fair enough, the Roosevelt one is a head scratcher - especially when his decedent approved of the removal.

Christopher Columbus was a scumbag, he never deserved a tribute. What was the rationale for tearing down Grant?
 
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happy-go_vol said:
so Biden says he'll do everything in his power, federally to make Americans wear masks. Where's the abortion, my body' my rights defenders? Why aren't you guys angry about this?

Or do you guys only care when its about sucking babies' brains out when they're halfway out of the womb.

Dueling Trump-Biden events offer contrasting virus responses
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If only pro lifers cared about the babies after they were born, what a wonderful world it would be.
 
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Ashevolle said:
If only pro lifers cared about the babies after they were born, what a wonderful world it would be.
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volbeast33 said:
They shouldn’t have to...... personal responsibility
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It's plain and simple. If pro-life folks don't want to take personal and financial (or even parental) responsibility for these unaborted and unwanted children, then they should keep their stupid mouths shut and let women make their own decisions.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
It's plain and simple. If pro-life folks don't want to take personal and financial (or even parental) responsibility for these unaborted and unwanted children, then they should keep their stupid mouths shut and let women make their own decisions.
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Alternative headline from purps: If prolifers don't want to take personal responsibility for others decisions, they should allow the ones who don't want to take personal responsibility for their own decision to kill another person.

With that said adoption is an entirely different subject and I agree that there needs to be reform on that but the argument that a chance at life is worse than death can only be muttered by the ones privileged with being alive.
 
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utvols88 said:
Alternative headline from purps: If prolifers don't want to take personal responsibility for others decisions, they should allow the ones who don't want to take personal responsibility for their own decision to kill another person.
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You have a reading problem, my friend.
 
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