Israel vs Palestinians II

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Orangeslice13 said:
I don’t get it either.
They, like us, have a leadership vacuum. Nobody worth following wants the job so they’re left with cult of personality. He has a very Trump….or more like Clinton following. Just because he’s Teflon and nothing sticks, doesn’t make him great…..or even good.
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Idk maybe you’re just a lefty loon with Bibi deranged syndrome
 
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EasternVol said:
I don't see how they didn't own the land considering that Jews owned less than 10% of it in 1947. Maybe you could enlighten me. Funny how you say one side 'tried to erase' as a negative and the other 'put them in their place' as a positive when it's tit for tat. You definitely aren't reaching conclusions objectively.
The Arab Palestinians were already and had centuries been the very large majority of the population. The British didn't tilt the scales appreciably there.
You still haven't backed up your claim that international law allows taking land by force. I suppose that's because you can't.
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Someone owned it for sure, in the main it just wasn't the tenant farmers of the land. And you're imposing your Western view of property ownership onto Islamic practice regarding those rights.

I think it safe to assert Muslim nations are perhaps more liberal re: property rights than is historically so. Yet, even today of the states bordering Israel, Jordan is the most liberal with a rating of 54. The U.S. rates 95. If we eliminate just Israel, Oman, and Qatar from the 18 countries of the Middle East/N. Africa, the remaining 15 countries average 35. all-country-scores You will see also see relatively lower scores among African nations, former Soviet and/or current Marxist societies globally.

Without attempting a history lesson, this is primarily because Islam has a more prevalent communal view of land ownership that Western society. It is much more a collective perspective - of having or providing access to land - rather than individual opportunity of owning land. Just as the feudal system, it rewards the wealthy and influential for their services to the state, as well as military officials for example, often an outright absolute title to land, Also lands were held/awarded as religious endowments, but mainly a predominant interest of state/public ownership. Though varying, cultivated land was encouraged for economic and tax or tribute stimulation. Uncultivated land did neither. Therefore, the produce of a land was the means for landholders, rich or peasant, to sustain the landholders and the state itself via tax or tribute. Often lease titles were awarded to communities of people who equally shared the tax burden and retention of land tenancy.

That said, NONE OF IT MATTERS, even if poor little peasant Arab farmers held title to every inch. What matters is the Turks owned it all, having acquired and lost it just as the Arabs they took it from, and every group who had ever owned it.

Israel should have driven out every Arab, or at least every Muslim; today they have a demographic timebomb in their midst.

You still haven't backed up your claim that international law allows taking land by force. I suppose that's because you can't.
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You made a statement of fact that you've yet to support, then assert I'm under burden to guess WTH you refer to. That's some backwards logic; you made the claim of illegal occupation, you get to back it up.

And isn't it odd the rule makers always have the biggest stick? Even as you protest the notion that might makes right - and it always will, in practicality - you appeal to some rule the mighty made, asserting it was/is wrong for Israel.
Funny how that works.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’ve listed these multiple times. They’ve dropped literal speakers from the sky informing people to evacuate, they’ve had daily temporary ceasefires to aid in civilian movement during the early part of the war, they’ve used knock bombs, they’ve directly called people and requested they evacuate.

The sick kid the media claimed was starving to death and numerous others get medical evaluation by Israel.

Something tells me you’re aware of these. There’s likely others I’m unaware of as well.
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What exactly does it say when you tell them to evacuate and then bomb the refugee camp they evacuated to?
 
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dEmOcRaTs sElL oUt IsRaEl fOr mUsLim vOtEs

400 members of the DNC were present to vote to pursue an arms embargo against Israel, they voted against it, and only 5 recorded abstentions.

Israel = $$$$$$$$$

Democrats sell out Americans and Palestinians for money, you fools.

www.commondreams.org

DNC Votes Down Resolution Calling for Israeli Arms Embargo to Halt US Complicity in Gaza Genocide | Common Dreams

DNC rejects resolution on military aid to Israel amid Gaza famine, sparking backlash. Task force formed for further discussion.
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Keep supporting your jihad terrorists.



BREAKING: The alleged Minneapolis school shooter posted videos online of a gun with “6 million was not enough,” “Burn Israel,” and “Israel Must fall” written on it.

Antisemitism starts with Jews, but it doesn’t end with Jews.

2 Jews were murdered outside the Capitol Jewish Museum, and now 2 children were murdered at school because of the same hatred: antisemitism disguised as “Free Palestine.”

This needs to be stopped BEFORE the next tragedy.


“Israel must fall”
“6 million wasn’t enough”
“K*ll Trump”
“Where is your god?”
“Mashallah”
“Nuke India”

These are some of the things written on the Minnesota shooter’s gun before they opened fire on a Catholic school.

Shooter lives in Minneapolis. One of the most Muslim cities in America
 
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EasternVol said:
Where are those details laid out? At any rate, in 1967 Israel was on the offensive and 1967 is when they took the most land.
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It was only offensive in the sense Israel didn't wait for them to attack, and the world knew the Arab attack was imminent. It's pure sophistry to term this offensive aa if unprovoked.

(Highlighting genocidy quotes in red, Jew blood are my embellishment)
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MYTH

Israel’s military strike in 1967 was unprovoked.

FACT

A combination of bellicose Arab rhetoric, threatening behavior, and – ultimately – an act of war left Israel no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage.

In addition to Nasser’s verbal threats, Israel was under attack by Arab terrorists. In 1965, 35 raids were conducted against Israel. In 1966, the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967, 37 attacks were launched.12

Meanwhile, Syria’s attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights provoked a retaliatory strike on April 7, 1967, during which Israeli planes shot down six Syrian MiGs. Shortly thereafter, the Soviet Union – which had been providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt – gave Damascus and Cairo information alleging a massive Israeli military buildup in preparation for an attack. Despite Israeli denials, Syria decided to invoke its defense treaty with Egypt.

On May 15, Israel’s Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force, stationed in the Sinai since 1956, to withdraw on May 16. Without bringing the matter to the attention of the General Assembly, as his predecessor had promised, Secretary-General U Thant complied with the demand. After the withdrawal of the UNEF, the Voice of the Arabs proclaimed (May 18, 1967):

As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain anymore to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence.13

An enthusiastic echo was heard on May 20 from Syrian defense minister Hafez Assad:

Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression but [also] to initiate the act of liberation itself and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united…I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.14

On May 22, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli shipping and all ships bound for Eilat. This blockade cut off Israel’s only supply route with Asia and stopped the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. The following day, President Johnson declared the blockade illegal and tried, unsuccessfully, to organize an international flotilla to test it.

Nasser was fully aware of the pressure he was exerting to force Israel’s hand. The day after the blockade was set up, he said defiantly: “The Jews threaten to make war. I reply: Welcome! We are ready for war.”15

Nasser challenged Israel to fight almost daily. “Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight,” he said on May 27.16 The following day, he added, “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel…The war with Israel [has been] in effect since 1948.”17

King Hussein of Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt on May 30. Nasser then announced:

The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel…to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan, and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle [and that] the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations.18

President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq joined in the war of words: “The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear—to wipe Israel off the map.”19 On June 4, Iraq joined the military alliance with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

The Arab rhetoric was matched by the mobilization of Arab forces. Approximately 250,000 troops (nearly half in Sinai), more than two thousand tanks, and seven hundred aircraft ringed Israel.20

By this time, Israeli forces had been on alert for three weeks. The country could not remain fully mobilized indefinitely, nor could it allow its sea lane through the Gulf of Aqaba to be interdicted. Israel’s best option was to strike first. On June 5, 1967, the order was given to attack Egypt.

By using the element of surprise, Israeli forces managed to break through the enemy lines after just six days of fighting and were in a position to march on Cairo, Damascus, and Amman. A cease-fire was invoked on June 10.

The victory came at an extremely high cost. In storming the Golan Heights, Israel suffered 115 dead—roughly the number of Americans killed during Operation Desert Storm. Altogether, Israel lost twice as many men—777 dead and 2,586 wounded—in proportion to her total population as the United States lost in eight years of fighting in Vietnam (approximately eighteen thousand Arab fighters died).21 Additionally, despite the incredible success of the air campaign, the Israeli Air Force lost 46 of its 200 fighters.22
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MAD said:
Keep supporting your jihad terrorists.



BREAKING: The alleged Minneapolis school shooter posted videos online of a gun with “6 million was not enough,” “Burn Israel,” and “Israel Must fall” written on it.

Antisemitism starts with Jews, but it doesn’t end with Jews.

2 Jews were murdered outside the Capitol Jewish Museum, and now 2 children were murdered at school because of the same hatred: antisemitism disguised as “Free Palestine.”

This needs to be stopped BEFORE the next tragedy.


“Israel must fall”
“6 million wasn’t enough”
“K*ll Trump”
“Where is your god?”
“Mashallah”
“Nuke India”

These are some of the things written on the Minnesota shooter’s gun before they opened fire on a Catholic school.

Shooter lives in Minneapolis. One of the most Muslim cities in America
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What does this have to do with Islam?

Can you remind me who commits more attacks in the US, right wing extremist or Muslims?

It’s ok I already know you won’t respond
 
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NCFisher said:
It was only offensive in the sense Israel didn't wait for them to attack, and the world knew the Arab attack was imminent. It's pure sophistry to term this offensive aa if unprovoked.

(Highlighting genocidy quotes in red, Jew blood are my embellishment)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MYTH

Israel’s military strike in 1967 was unprovoked.

FACT

A combination of bellicose Arab rhetoric, threatening behavior, and – ultimately – an act of war left Israel no choice but preemptive action. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a potentially catastrophic disadvantage.

In addition to Nasser’s verbal threats, Israel was under attack by Arab terrorists. In 1965, 35 raids were conducted against Israel. In 1966, the number increased to 41. In just the first four months of 1967, 37 attacks were launched.12

Meanwhile, Syria’s attacks on Israeli kibbutzim from the Golan Heights provoked a retaliatory strike on April 7, 1967, during which Israeli planes shot down six Syrian MiGs. Shortly thereafter, the Soviet Union – which had been providing military and economic aid to both Syria and Egypt – gave Damascus and Cairo information alleging a massive Israeli military buildup in preparation for an attack. Despite Israeli denials, Syria decided to invoke its defense treaty with Egypt.

On May 15, Israel’s Independence Day, Egyptian troops began moving into the Sinai and massing near the Israeli border. By May 18, Syrian troops were prepared for battle along the Golan Heights.

Nasser ordered the UN Emergency Force, stationed in the Sinai since 1956, to withdraw on May 16. Without bringing the matter to the attention of the General Assembly, as his predecessor had promised, Secretary-General U Thant complied with the demand. After the withdrawal of the UNEF, the Voice of the Arabs proclaimed (May 18, 1967):

As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel. We shall exercise patience no more. We shall not complain anymore to the UN about Israel. The sole method we shall apply against Israel is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence.13

An enthusiastic echo was heard on May 20 from Syrian defense minister Hafez Assad:

Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse the aggression but [also] to initiate the act of liberation itself and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united…I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.14

On May 22, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli shipping and all ships bound for Eilat. This blockade cut off Israel’s only supply route with Asia and stopped the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran. The following day, President Johnson declared the blockade illegal and tried, unsuccessfully, to organize an international flotilla to test it.

Nasser was fully aware of the pressure he was exerting to force Israel’s hand. The day after the blockade was set up, he said defiantly: “The Jews threaten to make war. I reply: Welcome! We are ready for war.”15

Nasser challenged Israel to fight almost daily. “Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight,” he said on May 27.16 The following day, he added, “We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel…The war with Israel [has been] in effect since 1948.”17

King Hussein of Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt on May 30. Nasser then announced:

The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel…to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan, and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle [and that] the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations.18

President Abdur Rahman Aref of Iraq joined in the war of words: “The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear—to wipe Israel off the map.”19 On June 4, Iraq joined the military alliance with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

The Arab rhetoric was matched by the mobilization of Arab forces. Approximately 250,000 troops (nearly half in Sinai), more than two thousand tanks, and seven hundred aircraft ringed Israel.20

By this time, Israeli forces had been on alert for three weeks. The country could not remain fully mobilized indefinitely, nor could it allow its sea lane through the Gulf of Aqaba to be interdicted. Israel’s best option was to strike first. On June 5, 1967, the order was given to attack Egypt.

By using the element of surprise, Israeli forces managed to break through the enemy lines after just six days of fighting and were in a position to march on Cairo, Damascus, and Amman. A cease-fire was invoked on June 10.

The victory came at an extremely high cost. In storming the Golan Heights, Israel suffered 115 dead—roughly the number of Americans killed during Operation Desert Storm. Altogether, Israel lost twice as many men—777 dead and 2,586 wounded—in proportion to her total population as the United States lost in eight years of fighting in Vietnam (approximately eighteen thousand Arab fighters died).21 Additionally, despite the incredible success of the air campaign, the Israeli Air Force lost 46 of its 200 fighters.22
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Brilliant analysis of the six day war, enjoyed reading. Thank you for posting the facts.
 
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MAD said:
Keep supporting your jihad terrorists.



BREAKING: The alleged Minneapolis school shooter posted videos online of a gun with “6 million was not enough,” “Burn Israel,” and “Israel Must fall” written on it.

Antisemitism starts with Jews, but it doesn’t end with Jews.

2 Jews were murdered outside the Capitol Jewish Museum, and now 2 children were murdered at school because of the same hatred: antisemitism disguised as “Free Palestine.”

This needs to be stopped BEFORE the next tragedy.


“Israel must fall”
“6 million wasn’t enough”
“K*ll Trump”
“Where is your god?”
“Mashallah”
“Nuke India”

These are some of the things written on the Minnesota shooter’s gun before they opened fire on a Catholic school.

Shooter lives in Minneapolis. One of the most Muslim cities in America
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Wow. Some of those sound eerily familiar around here
 
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MAD said:
Keep supporting your jihad terrorists.



BREAKING: The alleged Minneapolis school shooter posted videos online of a gun with “6 million was not enough,” “Burn Israel,” and “Israel Must fall” written on it.

Antisemitism starts with Jews, but it doesn’t end with Jews.

2 Jews were murdered outside the Capitol Jewish Museum, and now 2 children were murdered at school because of the same hatred: antisemitism disguised as “Free Palestine.”

This needs to be stopped BEFORE the next tragedy.


“Israel must fall”
“6 million wasn’t enough”
“K*ll Trump”
“Where is your god?”
“Mashallah”
“Nuke India”

These are some of the things written on the Minnesota shooter’s gun before they opened fire on a Catholic school.

Shooter lives in Minneapolis. One of the most Muslim cities in America
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People supporting Hamas and antisemitism - this blood is partially on their hands

People supporting Israel's horrendous behavior - this retaliatory blood is partially on your hands

People saying "don't give Israel money for genocide" - this blood is not on our hands.

GTFOH. You and Israel put them in danger. Not me.
 
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MAD said:
Keep supporting your jihad terrorists.



BREAKING: The alleged Minneapolis school shooter posted videos online of a gun with “6 million was not enough,” “Burn Israel,” and “Israel Must fall” written on it.

Antisemitism starts with Jews, but it doesn’t end with Jews.

2 Jews were murdered outside the Capitol Jewish Museum, and now 2 children were murdered at school because of the same hatred: antisemitism disguised as “Free Palestine.”

This needs to be stopped BEFORE the next tragedy.


“Israel must fall”
“6 million wasn’t enough”
“K*ll Trump”
“Where is your god?”
“Mashallah”
“Nuke India”

These are some of the things written on the Minnesota shooter’s gun before they opened fire on a Catholic school.

Shooter lives in Minneapolis. One of the most Muslim cities in America
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Wow. Some of those sound eerily familiar around here
 
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n_huffhines said:
People supporting Hamas and antisemitism - this blood is partially on their hands

People supporting Israel's horrendous behavior - this retaliatory blood is partially on your hands

People saying "don't give Israel money for genocide" - this blood is not on our hands.

GTFOH. You and Israel put them in danger. Not me.
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Ah yes…….the defense of the wife beater

“Look what you made me do”
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Ah yes…….the defense of the wife beater

“Look what you made me do”
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I fully support all of Israel’s actions that are justified under self defense.

I do not support killing of innocent civilian non-combatants by either side.

Where does that leave the blood in relation to my hands?

War is hell. The consequences of war do not fit into a clean either/or matrix.
 
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