Israel vs Palestinians II

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Western media lies about the facts, they want to demonize Israel, the truth needs to get out.

 
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NCFisher said:
You'd stated: "Except acquiring land by force is out of bounds now. Remember the new rules we helped set forth after WWII. That's why it's called illegally occupied."

Rebuttal: It is not. And if ever "the rules" state a nation or group of people must endure constant attack and cannot secure themselves, then "the rules" are illegitimate.

Any such rule must first concern itself with offensive taking of land, and if a defensive taking, the long-term disposition of that land. The defending party is entitled to not just an end of attacks, but a security agreement. If no such terms are agreed upon, the defending party has no obligation to abandon their physical or moral position. And if such agreements are reached but the security is continually breached, there is no state of peace but rather a running conflict with moments of armistice. In that case, a 'rule' cannot require the defender to invite attack by abandoning strategic position, and be considered legitimate.

And yet in that same charter, I point to the genocidal language. And in Hamas media, I posted at least 15 recent vintage quotes of Hamas leaders telling us what Hamas actually envisions for the Jew. If you want to believe there's room for Jews to live - literally just live - in a Hamas ruled society, I have nothing to say that will appeal to you.


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Where are those details laid out? At any rate, in 1967 Israel was on the offensive and 1967 is when they took the most land.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Link? Small number compared to the Millions they lost. Tell me what country do the great Greek cities of Ephesus, Miletus, Halicarnassus, Pergamum, Sinople, Iconium, Nicaea, and Tembzond reside in?
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Cities don't reside, they are located, and anyway that's beside the question, which is whether the Greeks have to apologize for their atrocities given you've decreed that the Turks have to apologize for theirs.
Link? if you look you'll find that and the mutual atrocities right after WWI.
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That Greece Might Still be Free

When in 1821, the Greeks rose in violent revolution against the rule of the Ottoman Turks, waves of sympathy spread across Western Europe and the United States. More than a thousand volunteers set out to fight for the cause. The Philhellenes, whether they set out to recreate the Athens of...
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Peradox1K said:
I went to Israel during 2016 and was in the Middle East for four years as a marine.
Israeli civilians are always nervous, based on what @rekinhavoc said. They were nervous and on edge also when I was at Tel Aviv.
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Thank you for your service bud. My Dad and Pappaw served 26yrs each. I may have already said this...but welcome to the PF. Post more. Bunch of good guys are regulars here. Gramps OT thread is where we give eachother hard times and socialize. Anything but politics in that 1 thread. Glad to have you here with us.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It already is.
It should have gone down way differently than it has.
It’s not being talked about but they’re doing a siege and clearing thing now. Probably should have started with that.
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Yep. Agree 100%


Orangeslice13 said:
You know how this ends now.
From the river to the sea…….
Israel is what will be.

As Bengi planed from the beginning.
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Exactly this. Hamas wants a fight to the death. Let Israel oblige them with precisely that. Then take Gaza and the West Bank back to restore Israel completely. The Israel whose population is 20% muslim and allows them to worship in peace as they like...including being dix about the Dome. Which is built ON TOP of the current Jewish Temple. Amazes me that muzzies claim they were there 1st when their "holy site" is built on TOP of the Temple. Not even the 1st Temple. Not even close. Its built atop a Temple which had already been destroyed and rebuilt several times in the THOUSANDS of years that Jews have called that land Home. Long before they even made up the religion of islam. Thousands of years. Its like trying to tell facts to a Liberal, arguing with the irrational supporters of terrorists. Shocking that those 2 groups are so often one and the same. The amount of public Jew hate on social media these days is shocking and sick. Liberals think its OK to plainly show their Jew hate on social media. Never thought I would see that in my lifetime after the Holocaust.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
No you didn’t.
Claiming you did something in the past isn’t the same as doing it.


Not long ago Huff posted an article about how a Dr in Gaza lost 8 children and her husband in an ODF attack. The Hamas supporters were out in force. Then the truth comes out. Her husband was a Hamas commander having a meeting using his children as shields. 6-8 Hamas leaders killed in the strike.

All the sudden the Hamas supporting group had nothing to say and it was like it never happened.
So clearly it’s not about the innocent people, it’s about who you blame
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Is there documentation of that or is it one of those things that's true only in your mind, like 'there are no Christians in Gaza'?
By the way, there are no hamas supporters here that I've seen. Everyone you say never condemned hamas has clearly condemned hamas more than once. You're using the previous thread getting wiped to disingenuously claim otherwise because that's how you operate. @NashVol11 just condemned them clearly yet you tried to say he didn't when it's right in front of your eyes.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yep. Agree 100%




Exactly this. Hamas wants a fight to the death. Let Israel oblige them with precisely that. Then take Gaza and Judea and Samaria back to restore Israel completely. The Israel whose population is 20% muslim and allows them to worship in peace as they like...including being dix about the Dome. Which is built ON TOP of the current Jewish Temple. Amazes me that muzzies claim they were there 1st when their "holy site" is built on TOP of the Temple. Not even the 1st Temple. Not even close. Its built atop a Temple which had already been destroyed and rebuilt several times in the THOUSANDS of years that Jews have called that land Home. Long before they even made up the religion of islam. Thousands of years. Its like trying to tell facts to a Liberal, arguing with the irrational supporters of terrorists. Shocking that those 2 groups are so often one and the same. The amount of public Jew hate on social media these days is shocking and sick. Liberals think its OK to plainly show their Jew hate on social media. Never thought I would see that in my lifetime after the Holocaust.
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Never thought I’d see this in my lifetime either. And this is exactly what should happen, it’s never been more clear.


By the way, FYP.
 
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"There is No Genocide, No Apartheid, No Occupation" - Natasha Hausdorff​



🚨 This is an absolute must watch.

Natasha Hausdorff exposes the biggest scam in modern history, the “occupation” lie.

Everyone needs to see this.

 
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NashVol11 said:
How about you? Are you capable of condemning a single thing Israel has done in this conflict, or stuck on zero things like everyone else?
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“Israel has done” is a key descriptor. Individual soldiers often do horrific things and yes, I condemn those.

I don’t spend much time condemning Israel as a whole because of the numerous things they do and have done to limit civilian casualties.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yep. Agree 100%




Exactly this. Hamas wants a fight to the death. Let Israel oblige them with precisely that. Then take Gaza and the West Bank back to restore Israel completely. The Israel whose population is 20% muslim and allows them to worship in peace as they like...including being dix about the Dome. Which is built ON TOP of the current Jewish Temple. Amazes me that muzzies claim they were there 1st when their "holy site" is built on TOP of the Temple. Not even the 1st Temple. Not even close. Its built atop a Temple which had already been destroyed and rebuilt several times in the THOUSANDS of years that Jews have called that land Home. Long before they even made up the religion of islam. Thousands of years. Its like trying to tell facts to a Liberal, arguing with the irrational supporters of terrorists. Shocking that those 2 groups are so often one and the same. The amount of public Jew hate on social media these days is shocking and sick. Liberals think its OK to plainly show their Jew hate on social media. Never thought I would see that in my lifetime after the Holocaust.
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They read all about it on the interwebs and are now the unimpeachable experts on the subject.


 
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Vol8188 said:
“Israel has done” is a key descriptor. Individual soldiers often do horrific things and yes, I condemn those.

I don’t spend much time condemning Israel has a whole because of the numerous things they do and have done to limit civilian casualties.
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What are the numerous things they have done?
 
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Persian Vol said:
What are the numerous things they have done?
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I’ve listed these multiple times. They’ve dropped literal speakers from the sky informing people to evacuate, they’ve had daily temporary ceasefires to aid in civilian movement during the early part of the war, they’ve used knock bombs, they’ve directly called people and requested they evacuate.

The sick kid the media claimed was starving to death and numerous others get medical evaluation by Israel.

Something tells me you’re aware of these. There’s likely others I’m unaware of as well.
 
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Smokey123 said:
My family used to be big fans, like a large portion that has faded long ago. I’m not sure I understand the defense of him. Unless they want to pursue “greater Israel” but that doesn’t seem to be the case with most
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I don’t get it either.
They, like us, have a leadership vacuum. Nobody worth following wants the job so they’re left with cult of personality. He has a very Trump….or more like Clinton following. Just because he’s Teflon and nothing sticks, doesn’t make him great…..or even good.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yep. Agree 100%




Exactly this. Hamas wants a fight to the death. Let Israel oblige them with precisely that. Then take Gaza and the West Bank back to restore Israel completely. The Israel whose population is 20% muslim and allows them to worship in peace as they like...including being dix about the Dome. Which is built ON TOP of the current Jewish Temple. Amazes me that muzzies claim they were there 1st when their "holy site" is built on TOP of the Temple. Not even the 1st Temple. Not even close. Its built atop a Temple which had already been destroyed and rebuilt several times in the THOUSANDS of years that Jews have called that land Home. Long before they even made up the religion of islam. Thousands of years. Its like trying to tell facts to a Liberal, arguing with the irrational supporters of terrorists. Shocking that those 2 groups are so often one and the same. The amount of public Jew hate on social media these days is shocking and sick. Liberals think its OK to plainly show their Jew hate on social media. Never thought I would see that in my lifetime after the Holocaust.
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One thing is for sure. Both sides have said this is to the death and there can only be one. If there was going to be 2 states there would have been in the 90s with Clinton.
So let them settle it…..without our money.
Not a penny for anything…..nothing.
If they want to buy things (food, aid, weapons) so be it but we should not “give” anyone, anything over there
 
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rekinhavoc said:
They read all about it on the interwebs and are now the unimpeachable experts on the subject.
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Nobody has said that they are an expert. I said you can learn way more from the US than you can on a trip. You are the one who thought you had all-trumping XP when you don't and now you're trying to act like I/we were the ones who did that ****

You made a point about a lady carrying a gun out of fear. I addressed your point and fired back with several points about horrendous actions by Israel and Israelis and you ignored all of them and made jokes about how reading isn't a good way to get informed, essentially.

I don't consider myself an unimpeachable expert, but you're sure making me look like one.
 
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