ISIS Takes Control of Mosul

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Pacer92 said:
On the ground? That's exactly where we will be with in time!

How does a group of renegades overtake a country like Iraq without the support of major nations?

IF the western powers wanted it to stop, it'd be over in a week or two with limited casualties.

If they are such a threat to the Middle East and our homefront, like our media portrays, then why are we sitting idly by as they SUPPOSEDLY run amok between SYRIA and IRAN?
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And still... these Islamic militants don't even threaten or sabre-rattle to Israel? The closest the have gotten to even hurting Israel is in The Golan Heights in the last week.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not to mention the "accidental" airdrops on at least 2 or 3 different occasions.
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you mean the airdrops from the back of a plane at altitude to drop unassisted/guided down into contested territory where being a block off target equals being in enemy territory. yeah its a conspiracy and not human error, the inability to be perfect.
 
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Pacer92 said:
On the ground? That's exactly where we will be with in time!

How does a group of renegades overtake a country like Iraq without the support of major nations?

IF the western powers wanted it to stop, it'd be over in a week or two with limited casualties.

If they are such a threat to the Middle East and our homefront, like our media portrays, then why are we sitting idly by as they SUPPOSEDLY run amok between SYRIA and IRAN?
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so you are ignoring all the international aid going TO ISIS. including any number of Chechens that aren't currently working for the Russians. Weapons, money, and troops coming from a world's worth of likeminded crazies. or the fact that Syria isn't really fighting ISIS, they are fighting the secular rebels, not really doing much vs the religious extremist rebels. or the fact that 6000 Iraqis surrender to 150 troops. there is no unified front fighting them. it is a bunch of disparate groups fighting ISIS. The Kurds don't want to work with the Iraqis or Syrians, the Syrians are only fighting a targeted war and refuse to help either the Kurds or Iraqis. Or the Iraqis not fighting in general except when they have somebody else doing the heavy lifting. again, tell me how these forces are supposed to win anything when they can't agree on what they are fighting for.
 
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LouderVol said:
hmm so Assad's backing of extremist religious terrorist/rebel groups has nothing to do with it? or the constant support from any of the neighboring countries? or the global support from other like-minded crazies. or the Chechens on "vacation". or the fact that our air strikes are extremely limited and can only legally act when we are called for. Not naive to think we are only operating when called in, but we still have our hands tied. or 6000 troops surrendering to 150, yeah its because of the US that ISIS is still around. :eyeroll:
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ISIS is still around and always has been around because of the US. It is a US/Israel/Saudi funded project to destabilize countries that don't bow down. Ever since the US led coalition started against ISIS, it's only gotten stronger and taken more and more territory, not only in the Middle East, but in North Africa as well. It has been no secret of Iraqis reporting air drops to these terrorist.

Please quit being so naive, people..
 
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Pacer92 said:
ISIS is still around and always has been around because of the US. It is a US/Israel/Saudi funded project to destabilize countries that don't bow down. Ever since the US led coalition started against ISIS, it's only gotten stronger and taken more and more territory, not only in the Middle East, but in North Africa as well. It has been no secret of Iraqis reporting air drops to these terrorist.

Please quit being so naive, people..
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Pacer92 said:
ISIS is still around and always has been around because of the US. It is a US/Israel/Saudi funded project to destabilize countries that don't bow down. Ever since the US led coalition started against ISIS, it's only gotten stronger and taken more and more territory, not only in the Middle East, but in North Africa as well. It has been no secret of Iraqis reporting air drops to these terrorist.

Please quit being so naive, people..
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yeah it has nothing to do with religious extremism. and until the point of ISIS Iraq was doing alright "toeing" the line. If anyone can complain about losing things because of ISIS look at China and where the oil is really going. (its not the US or our companies). and if this was a move to "get back" at the people not following us why did they go after the Kurds? they are our best friend over there. Why is there religious persecution, this is just the next round of religious extremism (what did the various Christians and other flavors of Islam do to the US, and why Sunnis in power when they were the ones we were fighting in the first place) in a region with a history of it going back as far as recorded history. this isn't something new.

we have undoubtedly helped them, but i believe it is through dumbassery than malicious intent.

before our airstrikes ISIS was doing nothing but expanding. no one was winning any battles against them. Now that we have been involved you are starting to see meaningful victories, which have mostly come from the Kurds, imo, our one ally and the most singular force over there.

i am not sure where you get the idea that if we applied ourselves it would be over in two weeks with minimal causalities. what in our history, or the world's history, of dealing with insurgency/guerrilla tactics makes you think that would be the case.
 
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A Brief Intelligence Reality Check | The XX Committee

time for a reality check. Having written my share of IIRs, let me explain a few things to you. First off, this report, which is classified SECRET/NOFORN (i.e. it’s far from “highly classified”) is so heavily redacted that it’s difficult to say much meaningful about it. Who filed this IIR has been taken out, and its distribution list (at least what we can see of it) is the usual alphabet soup of DoD and IC headquarters and agencies. Nothing special here, not one bit.

As for the pronouncements in this IIR, which are taken as highly meaningful by the conspiracy-minded, they are routine, the sort of thing found in the thousands of IIRs that DIA generates annually, on a wide range of subjects. Is this the take of a U.S. defense attaché somewhere in the Middle East, and therefore a reflection of his/her personal views only? Is this the rant of someone who claims good access, who may (or may not) have that? Are these the ramblings of a partner security service — in other words, glorified hall gossip — that an attaché felt obliged to report back in that mixture of “FYI” and “CYA” that dominates inside the Beltway? Given the heavy redactions, it’s simply impossible to say.
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I want to pose a serious question...

Granted, Syria has been involved in a civil war for a few years now and I understand that these numbers would change somewhat. However, just doing some basic research on the numbers involved in the fight between Syria and ISIS...

Syria Military Strength

http://www.crethiplethi.com/isis-s-...lamic-countries/syria-islamic-countries/2015/

I'll even throw in Iraq with it's American sponsored military...

Iraq Military Strength


My question is this. How can a band of renegades that would fill up Thompson-Boling arena conquer and defeat the above military's without an Air Force, no less?

How in Gods name is it possible for these rogues to conquer such major territory without the help of global powers?
 
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Pacer92 said:
I want to pose a serious question...

Granted, Syria has been involved in a civil war for a few years now and I understand that these numbers would change somewhat. However, just doing some basic research on the numbers involved in the fight between Syria and ISIS...

Syria Military Strength

http://www.crethiplethi.com/isis-s-...lamic-countries/syria-islamic-countries/2015/

I'll even throw in Iraq with it's American sponsored military...

Iraq Military Strength


My question is this. How can a band of renegades that would fill up Thompson-Boling arena conquer and defeat the above military's without an Air Force, no less?

How in Gods name is it possible for these rogues to conquer such major territory without the help of global powers?
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1. Leadership. They have a large portion of the Iraqi former officer corps who were kicked out during the de-bathification policy in 03-04.
Al Bagdadi is a popular leader who thought he should have a part of the national government. We had his tacit support until the Shia led government started openly favoring their own over the Sunnis.
2. Popular support. Their area of control follows the major Sunni areas in Iraq and Syria. Plus their message is very appealing to the young male Sunnis who have been virtually disenfranchised.
 
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YorkVol said:
1. Leadership. They have a large portion of the Iraqi former officer corps who were kicked out during the de-bathification policy in 03-04.
Al Bagdadi is a popular leader who thought he should have a part of the national government. We had his tacit support until the Shia led government started openly favoring their own over the Sunnis.
2. Popular support. Their area of control follows the major Sunni areas in Iraq and Syria. Plus their message is very appealing to the young male Sunnis who have been virtually disenfranchised.
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Isn't Iran predominantly Shia? I'm missing why we set up a regime that was supposedly favorable to Iran...

I don't get that?
 
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