ISIS Takes Control of Mosul

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BeecherVol said:
Its not really that cynical. Its politics.
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Burhead said:
It takes going to the edge of a cliff for this administration to realize arming the Kurds was the best and most logical option we've had in this mess. I guess on the bright side common sense has finally come to the White House.
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Yeah, but the Maliki bunch probably gets their undies in a wad about us arming the Kurds. I guess we've told them to take their undies and stick them in their own mouths though now.
 
#753
#753
The limitations the President has put on the air strikes are ridiculous and won't accomplish much.
 
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37L1 said:
The limitations the President has put on the air strikes are ridiculous and won't accomplish much.
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Hey, give him a little credit for not being a puss and waiting on another nation to bail him out (again)

I would even go as far as to suggest he sends Kerry (bad idea, but the thought counts) into Saudi and the Gulf States and starts getting them involved. ISIS won't be happy just taking the Shi'a and Kurds out of play and if they get within striking distance of Mecca and Medina they will go after them. So perhaps it's past time for them to use the multi-billion dollar playtoys they've outfitted their military with to do some additional strikes.

Use the old "you're next" argument.
 
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@IvanCNN · 4h

Senior Kurdish official confirms to CNN ISIS militants captured Mosul Dam. How? "They attacked with M1 Abrams tanks!" #Iraq #Kurdistan
 
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37L1 said:
The limitations the President has put on the air strikes are ridiculous and won't accomplish much.
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The US military is not going to achieve a sustainable resolution to this particular crisis, much less to stabilization of that region. The sooner you understand the limits of what we can do, and what it would cost to do much more, the sooner you can be realistic about the situation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The US military is not going to achieve a sustainable resolution to this particular crisis, much less to stabilization of that region. The sooner you understand the limits of what we are willing to do, and what and what we are too scared to do, the sooner you can be realistic about the situation.
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lawgator1 said:
The US military is not going to achieve a sustainable resolution to this particular crisis, much less to stabilization of that region. The sooner you understand the limits of what we can do, and what it would cost to do much more, the sooner you can be realistic about the situation.
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Pull your head out of. . . .





the sand.

Obama is being realistic? "Al Qaeda is on the run . . ."

You have no idea about ISIS do you? They are just getting started. Wait until they grow up and consume all around them.

Just watch what happens. It is going to get a lot worse and we will eventually have to do a whole lot more because we watched and did nothing. A lot of people are going to die while the whole world is watching.

Maybe that's the plan? The country doesn't want to do anything until the writing is on the wall, then it can be sold but the price will be much, much higher. Maybe then it will be too late.

Obama's legacy.

Wait, it was Bush's fault. :peace2:
 
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37L1 said:
Pull your head out of. . . .

the sand.

Obama is being realistic? "Al Qaeda is on the run . . ."

You have no idea about ISIS do you? They are just getting started. Wait until they grow up and consume all around them.

Just watch what happens. It is going to get a lot worse and we will eventually have to do a whole lot more because we watched and did nothing. A lot of people are going to die while the whole world is watching.

Maybe that's the plan? The country doesn't want to do anything until the writing is on the wall, then it can be sold but the price will be much, much higher. Maybe then it will be too late.

Obama's legacy.

Wait, it was Bush's fault. :peace2:
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To an extent LG is right. He is also wrong in this case, but what he said wasn't specifically wrong.

In order to bring ISIS to a full scale stop, it will require commitment of a significant force just to stop them. And require even more to push them back. So realistically outside of a full commitment of US or Allied troops with significant US support, there is not a lot that can be done.

So the middle road to expand airstrikes to help the Kurds regain strategic locations and arming them to the teeth with as a minimum the equal of what ISIS has at their disposal is a good middle ground. But we have to face reality that the non-Kurd areas of northern Iraq and Syria are lost for good and without a major campaign cannot be taken back.
 
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Grand Vol said:
To an extent LG is right. He is also wrong in this case, but what he said wasn't specifically wrong.

In order to bring ISIS to a full scale stop, it will require commitment of a significant force just to stop them. And require even more to push them back. So realistically outside of a full commitment of US or Allied troops with significant US support, there is not a lot that can be done.

So the middle road to expand airstrikes to help the Kurds regain strategic locations and arming them to the teeth with as a minimum the equal of what ISIS has at their disposal is a good middle ground. But we have to face reality that the non-Kurd areas of northern Iraq and Syria are lost for good and without a major campaign cannot be taken back.
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Agree but I'm skeptical that we are going to give the Kurds the help they need to help us out.
 
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#764
That JV team comment really makes you wonder about Obama's ability to understand threats. ISIS is the best armed, best funded and most lethal terrorist group we've seen. They have far more lethal resources than AQ ever did.
 
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Ahh, the old history lesson.

Obama: Don

It is my assessment that those risks are even greater if we continue to occupy Iraq and serve as a magnet for not only terrorist activity but also irresponsible behavior by Iraqi factions,” he [Senator Obama] said.
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What's he going to trade for the first American pilot who is shot down and captured?

That is, if ISIS doesn't behead him/her first.

Then there are our folks who are on the ground in Irbil and Baghdad.

A fustercluck.
 
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#768
0 testy at his presser. Someone needs a vacation. Blamed Bush for Iraq and said it wasnt his decision to pull troops out (he sure celebrated it)
 
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#774
Time to put a couple of AC-130s in orbit and some on call A-10s waiting in the background.

Islamic militants advance despite 2 rounds of US airstrikes | Fox News

The Islamic militants reportedly expanded their drive near Iraqi Kurdistan Saturday despite two U.S. airstrikes aimed at mortar positions and a seven-vehicle convoy to stop the advance on Kurdish capital of Irbil.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the militants appear to have their sights on connecting towns seized along the Kurdish-control territory. The most recent town to be seized was identified as Sheikhan.
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Bring some rain down on the advancing troops and start resupply flights to the Kurds. Give them anything they ask for.
 
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