Is this true?

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GVF said:
So, how do you figure he gets the auto bid for #1 without proving he earned it?
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Just my thoughts. Don't see paying a player over a mil. for one year of playing time with no good stats against quality teams. Again, just my thoughts and opinions, I want whoever is best to start.
 
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cgrish said:
Just my thoughts. Don't see paying a player over a mil. for one year of playing time with no good stats against quality teams. Again, just my thoughts and opinions, I want whoever is best to start.
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Peyton Manning, way back when, got a $11.6M signing bonus having zero NFL experience based on his potential. That was well before Merk was born.

I'm sorry you don't understand that athletes get paid a lot of money for potential and have for a very, very long time.

And yes, the NFL isn't college, but it's the same risk/reward calculation: pay for potential vs risk of a bust.
 
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The portal is reducing my interest more and more each week it's open. Just following the ups and downs in recruiting was bad enough but this is the roller coaster from hell. Unsustainable.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Peyton Manning, way back when, got a $11.6M signing bonus having zero NFL experience based on his potential. That was well before Merk was born.

I'm sorry you don't understand that athletes get paid a lot of money for potential and have for a very, very long time.

And yes, the NFL isn't college, but it's the same risk/reward calculation: pay for potential vs risk of a bust.
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He had a pretty good record against some quality teams in the Sec though.
 
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cgrish said:
He had a pretty good record against some quality teams in the Sec though.
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His brother Eli got $20M a few years later with something like a 26-14 starting record. Lord only knows what Arch will get no matter how he does at TX.

Athletes get big money all the time for potential. Some are busts. So are corporate employees that get hired and are busts and leave with massive buyouts.

People on VN act like it's not normal in businesses, especially sports, to hire based on potential from performance elsewhere, often at a lower level. It's nothing new.
 
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Everyone was proud when Spyre was said to be on the cutting edge of the bag slinging culture. You live by the bag, you die by the bag though it turns out. Maybe every team is headed in this direction but we are probably a little further down the mercenary culture route than some. We started pandering to the whores 7/1/21, Nico chief among them.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Peyton Manning, way back when, got a $11.6M signing bonus having zero NFL experience based on his potential. That was well before Merk was born.

I'm sorry you don't understand that athletes get paid a lot of money for potential and have for a very, very long time.

And yes, the NFL isn't college, but it's the same risk/reward calculation: pay for potential vs risk of a bust.
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Strange i don't know of any nfl teams drafting anyone straight out of high school. They do look at college performance as experience. I do realize they take a risk many times on just potential though. Most colleges do look at high school performance. I just feel they need to look more at the type of competition a high school player is playing against and consider that in the evaluation more than they seem to do.
 
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cgrish said:
Strange i don't know of any nfl teams drafting anyone straight out of high school. They do look at college performance as experience. I do realize they take a risk many times on just potential though. Most colleges do look at high school performance. I just feel they need to look more at the type of competition a high school player is playing against and consider that in the evaluation more than they seem to do.
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Meh, I'm not sure what kind of competition Peyton, Eli, and Arch faced at Isadore Newman, which is a pretty middle of the pack schedule private school as I understand it.

Coaches can either evaluate talent or they can't. The elite athletes usually also attend camps where they get evaluated by guys like Peyton. I'm sure word gets around.

In the end though, it's on the coaches recruiting for a school. Guys who can evaluate talent AND coach that talent up will be successful.

If you have a lot of busts and undeveloped talent, you have a coaching issue that probably extends to every aspect of the staff. If you can't evaluate player talent, you probably can't evaluate coaching talent either.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
His brother Eli got $20M a few years later with something like a 26-14 starting record. Lord only knows what Arch will get no matter how he does at TX.

Athletes get big money all the time for potential. Some are busts. So are corporate employees that get hired and are busts and leave with massive buyouts.

People on VN act like it's not normal in businesses, especially sports, to hire based on potential from performance elsewhere, often at a lower level. It's nothing new.
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The NFL now has a rookie salary scale. And has for some time.

And it was badly needed.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
They do but Jayden Daniels got nearly $25M as a signing bonus before he took a single NFL snap.

Potential is worth money.
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It’s all part of the collective bargaining agreement and slotted based on where you are picked.

However, that is much higher than I remembered. Those high picks are certainly making some serious cash.
 
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EZE said:
It’s all part of the collective bargaining agreement and slotted based on where you are picked.

However, that is much higher than I remembered. Those high picks are certainly making some serious cash.
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When you look at that, a top QB in college getting $8M over 4 years vs an NFL rookie getting $24M, it's a about 1/3rd which is reasonable for the lack of data from HS vs HS and a couple of years of college.

It's all speculation about how a guy will do at the next level. I recall being amazed that Dewayne Haskins got a high draft pick with only 14? college game starts. The risk of a bust seemed really high there and though he was talented, he wasn't ready.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
When you look at that, a top QB in college getting $8M over 4 years vs an NFL rookie getting $24M, it's a about 1/3rd which is reasonable for the lack of data from HS vs HS and a couple of years of college.

It's all speculation about how a guy will do at the next level. I recall being amazed that Dewayne Haskins got a high draft pick with only 14? college game starts. The risk of a bust seemed really high there and though he was talented, he wasn't ready.
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Yes, but remember, it is a sliding scale that goes down very quickly after the first round.

I think it drops to under $2 million annually by the end of the first round.

The interesting question is when it is better for the good college QB (but not top NFL prospect) to just stay in college. Like Beck and Ewers. Beck chose wisely and Ewers didn’t. I suspect we’ll start seeing more of those guys staying in school.
 
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EZE said:
Yes, but remember, it is a sliding scale that goes down very quickly after the first round.

I think it drops to under $2 million annually by the end of the first round.

The interesting question is when it is better for the good college QB (but not top NFL prospect) to just stay in college. Like Beck and Ewers. Beck chose wisely and Ewers didn’t. I suspect we’ll start seeing more of those guys staying in school.
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The gamble is getting to the second contract. Especially with running backs, getting to the NFL earlier and younger with less miles on your body should enhance your chances of the big money.
 
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