Is there something going on in Knoxville

That the majority of us don’t have the money/influence to see? It just feels like there is something going on here that doesn’t meet the eye for those of us who aren’t connected. Is there booster/AD conflict? Is there state government/UT administration conflict. Is there school administration/ AD conflict. ESPN published a tell all article this week that details the situations that caused FSUs dramatic slide. It makes me wonder what’s going on behind the scenes thats gotten us to this point.

When things do not work out people freak out. This entire site is full of examples. Our program history is full of examples. I get that we all want an answer, but it is simple. We suck and we are paying three coaches right now. We do not want to be paying three that are not our head coaches. We are stuck with Pruitt for the next couple of years.

That said, I am growing a little tired of Pruitt’s responses to questions. I do not care about his player experiences, He was not that good of a player. I also find his pointing to other players’ mistakes when JG takes heat to be repetitive and reflective of a coach that lacks the intelligence necessary to compete as a power 5 HC. Yes, every player costs their team with a mistake, but you cannot compare most positions (if any at all) with the QB position. The QB typically touches the ball on every play.

When it comes to JG’s performance and Pruitt’s decision to name him the starter, Pruitt’s previous case was that he didn’t make mistakes. That was a good reason, but lately, we have been watching one of the worst QB performances in my lifetime (45) occur before our eyes during a year when our QB was supposed to be at his best. Yet Pruitt continues to start him while we have Harrison Bailey on our roster.

The only argument for this baffling decision is that Bailey missed all of spring camp and a lot of summer camp. That is a lot of time that Bailey did not have to learn an offense. That time was also typical for Freshman QBs who have performed well at other schools in the past. Still, we have a room full of QBs that deserve a shot. A REAL shot. If we were close in these games, it would be one thing, but we are not.

Pruitt’s excuse is that the other players are not ready. That, then, points to coaching. I am not sure how much influence Pruitt has over the development of our QBs, but as the HC, he should understand there are some glaring issues when it comes to the development of our QBs. He should understand that his team is running out of gas because they lack the stamina they had with Fitz. He should understand that it is indeed his job to address fans and the media. He is the HEAD COACH. Not a position coach. No one position or side of the ball should be his focus. If he wants that to be the case, he needs to resign and go back to being a position coach or a coordinator. He won’t though, so we are stuck paying a man that seems to understand less about being a head coach than I ever could have imagined.

That said, I am beginning to question his coaching abilities altogether and can’t help but wonder if a lot of his coaching successes as a coordinator have more to do with the teams he coached for. A lot of coaches succeed because of their situations. Football is also very political. So, Pruitt has also benefitted from relationship building in the past. Still, none of that has anything to do with one’s ability to take players and make them better. I will side with the argument that when he can focus on a few, he is actually the coach many of his former players say he is, but that seems (so far) to be at best what he is.

What we needed, however, is a coach that can rebuild a program. He has never held a position where he has even been a part of a rebuild—let alone holding a position where he is leading the entire rebuild in the SEC. Maybe he will figure it out on our dime, but so far... he hasn’t. We have gotten worse. Not better.

Regardless of how well he does, we should not fire him until we know who his replacement is going to be. We will need a coach that has rebuilt a program before—someone who has been able to do more with less against power 5 teams. If we fire him without knowing who our next coach is only to replace him with a coach who has shown signs of progress in different situations, we will repeat the cycle we started when we fired Fulmer all over again. Yep, this all started when we fired a HOF coach with zero idea of who we were going to replace him with.

I respect that our boosters want to get our program into better financial shape by ending the cycle of firing coaches while we still owe money only to hire coaches that are not what we want only to fire them and owe them money too. I also would respect someone, or a group of someones with a lot of money coming in and saying, look, we are a part of the reason we are at where we are at, so we are just going to go ahead and go after Hugh Freeze. No fan out there should expect that Boosters should spend their millions like that. To hold those expectations is selfish and ungrateful IMO. We are blessed to have the boosters we have.

So, there it is. We should be and more likely will be stuck with Pruitt unless our boosters do something we should not expect them to do. We in fact should hold onto him, not only until Dooley and Butch and whoever else are paid off, but also until we find the right person to lead our program back to glory.

I will leave it with this, however. Timing and fit are everything and the right coaches are few and far in between. You can, however, buy the right timing if you have the money. Again, noone should expect this of anyone, but it may be worth it for someone to think about.

On that note, Freeze is the sexiest hire, but I see him going to Michigan or somewhere else—mainly because of how much he will cost Tennessee on top of our buyouts and the fact the more traditional influences at Tennessee will lack the excitement of bringing a guy with stains on his resume to Knoxville. However, if Fitzgerald (NW) and Tom Allen continue to perform this year, they will end up looking to be the type of coach that we need. They would have a lot more to work with than they did at their other stops.

It seems as though it is likely, however, that we will watch a handful of coaches go buy and stick with Pruitt. I am preparing for some boring years of football. I usually say, I hope Pruitt does it, but as he continues to make dismissive comments, I continue to care less about him as our coach. I am sure he is a good man, but why should we care about a guy who makes excuses and devalues the fans when he knows he is not getting the job done?
 
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Bama has made far more strides academically than us since they hired Saban....
The irony is that when you start winning football games more kids apply, average scores go up, attracts more money any better faculty, etc. Clemson has seen it too.
 
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It is pretty simple! Coach Jeremy Pruitt is not intelligent enough to understand the game. It is not CJP's fault he does does not get it!
I disagree. I think he is very intelligent regarding football, and he knows it. The problem is that he thinks his football intelligence allows him to overcome his team’s limitations by use of his genius. He is too arrogant to allow himself to listen to people trying to tell him the solution. He thinks he should be able to come up with a defensive scheme and unit that will hold the opponent to a low enough score that our lack of a QB will not keep us from winning. That is why he fired a DL coach. CJP really believes that he is enough of a defensive Guru That 14 to 17 points from an anemic offense will be enough to win. He is playing in a previous era and is too proud to admit that maybe his defensive genius is not enough to save the day
 
Ok, I am hesitant to post this because people get hammered around here, but I'm simply relaying information that was voluntarily supplied to me. I live and work in the Chattanooga area, and I was working out today at the Sports Barn during my lunch hour. I am in the office this week in downtown Chattanooga, and I bring that up since I normally work from home due to Covid-19, but was asked to come in this week by the organization I am currently employed with at this time. Anyway, my source has the following credentials: Graduate of UT and ran track for UT in the early 1970's, knows Condredge Holloway, etc.. He is now retired and he and his family owned Lincoln/Ford dealerships in the Chattanooga area. I believe my source went to Baylor, his source that he got his information from is from my hometown of Cleveland, TN, and this gentleman played football at Tennessee in the late 60's/early 70's... The information I received and nothing is guaranteed, was that there is a possibility and only a possibility that major program donors could possibly consider assisting in a buyout of Coach Pruitt, if we lose to Vanderbilt this week, and my source said, and I quote directly: "Pruitt is coaching for his job this week"... I trust what my source tells me, and again had not seen him for quite a while, as I have not been in the office in downtown Chattanooga since March 2020. Not saying that anything will happen, but my own personal timeline for Coach Pruitt has been shortened, as far as his tenure here goes.. I had thought he could possibly make it through to the end of the 2022 season, but after talking with my source and how much aggravation there is right now with some of the older money donors, I think Pruitt will definitely have to find a way to win 9 games next year, assuming a 12 game season is what UT plays in 2021. Again though, my source said it is very possible that a defeat to Vanderbilt this weekend, would place Coach Pruitt's job security in serious jeopardy at the close of the 2020 season, as UT would finish 2-8, since we are 99% guaranteed to lose to both Florida and Texas A&M. Again, just relaying information from someone I know and trust when it comes to Tennessee Athletics and topics in general.
 
First of all . . . We're at 5 losses in a row lol. There's no reason for you to apologize. I know it's not personal and I totally get being pissed off with the way extensions get handed out like candy. All I'm saying is that it's become the way of the world. Agents have completely whipped Athletic Departments when it comes to extensions and buyout clauses.

My major problem with the contracts and these dumbass coaching search goose chases is that somehow, people have become convinced that every school is just a coach away from glory and there's this tiny talent pool for coaching big time college football. It's ludicrous. . . . They're football coaches; not neurosurgeons. There are plenty of guys with CEO skills that can lead if we'll just stop focusing on hot playcallers and shiny mid-major guys. And for God's sake - it's dumb to fire a head coach and then make him Athletic Director in charge of filling the very position that we fired him from. I think CPF is a great guy, but NO ORGANIZATION FUNCTIONS LIKE THAT!?

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My issue here is I view everything like a business and this is driving me nuts. Every business owner has signed bad contracts at some point either due to their inexperience and just starting out or due to being in a bad spot with no leverage but every contract TN does is just total ineptness and its glaring.

I know Hamilton is no longer here but he is a great example. We signed Kiffin with an absurdly low buyout if he chose to leave. Dearborn just said if we didn't frame the contract this way he would have walked. Here is my big issue here:

1. Kiffin had coached at USC
2. Kiffin was a la boy and considered it home and that school his dream job
3. The USC coach was already on the hot seat and this was industry knowledge any AD should have known. This point is the big neon flashing light Hamilton should have seen.
4. The buyout was non negotiable for a reason and any idiot could see it.

An AD with a brain would have either modified the contract to include that the low buyout only applies to schools other than USC or he would have went with a different coach such as Anderson who actually wanted the job and would have signed a normal contract and be much less risky.

When Hamilton allowed this to happen it started this whole avalanche of hell and turned UT literally overnight from a premier destination school to a NCAA joke that got humiliated and exposed as not nearly as good of a job as USC....which at the time just wasn't true. From that moment forward, we were no longer considered a top tier school due to one bad contract clause.

Since then the next 3 ADs are still almost just as bad. They have no ability to see moving parts or leverage themselves when leverage is there. And as long as we keep buying this it's just his it is now stuff it's not going to change.

There are schools who aren't doing this. Most are. But there are still schools out there who actually know how to write a good contract and actually have their future coach lined up or atkeast major feelers out there before they fire the coach.

Butch was dead man walking for months before he was actually fired and during that time they literally had no one lined up until near the end with Schiano. It is very scary that an AD making millions thought Schiano would fly here and could not realize the PSU scandal would not play well in TN. That again is glaring.

Nothing will change until the fan base stands up and calls out the school and AD at this point. It is no longer about the crappy coaches. It's about the institution and their total inability to run the football program efficiently anymore.

My last point is the UTC AD by all accounts is amazing and has wanted the job for years but we keep turning him away because he wont play ball with either Haslam or the Bots. This again is glaring. Instead we hire a guy as AD who has the exact same agent as the coach he hired. This is glaring and scary and a huge conflict of interest.
 
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Just curious, where can one prove the "sucking of athletics dry" by the academic side. I looked through the NCAA statements on the UTAD website and since FY13, UTAD has received $11.4M in direct transfers from the institution (I assume that means campus/academics) and during that time has only transferred back $2.6M to the institution (again, assuming it means campus/academics). According to that, seems like UTAD took from academics to the tune of $8.8M. Perhaps the sucking occurred prior to FY13 which was the starting date of the statements.
 
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Respectfully disagree.
Absolutely, completely false. May have been trending that way a few years ago, but you have a President that doesn’t have an academic background that is focused heavily on fundraising and athletics. You have a chancellor who was hired in part because of her experience at schools with prominent athletic programs.

The present administration here is as committed to athletics as any since the 1990s.

What’s going on behind the scenes right now? People in decision-making roles taking a very deliberate approach to the situation. Everyone knows the constant instability of the last 15 years has dug this hole, and more changes aren’t going to dig it out.

Pruitt is getting next year, that’s all but certain. If you want to say UT isn’t committed to winning based on that, you’re entitled to your opinion. But this is no longer a place that is going to be allowed to flounder because people can’t get on the same page.
Respectfully disagree. Nothing of the last few years says commitment to anything but idiocy. They have plenty of that to go around, that and buyouts and extensions for people that should have never been hired in the first place.
 
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Absolutely, completely false. May have been trending that way a few years ago, but you have a President that doesn’t have an academic background that is focused heavily on fundraising and athletics. You have a chancellor who was hired in part because of her experience at schools with prominent athletic programs.

The present administration here is as committed to athletics as any since the 1990s.

What’s going on behind the scenes right now? People in decision-making roles taking a very deliberate approach to the situation. Everyone knows the constant instability of the last 15 years has dug this hole, and more changes aren’t going to dig it out.

Pruitt is getting next year, that’s all but certain. If you want to say UT isn’t committed to winning based on that, you’re entitled to your opinion. But this is no longer a place that is going to be allowed to flounder because people can’t get on the same page.

Well, they might be on the same page...but if that page says anything about retaining Pruitt...then they are all on the wrong page.

The guy is in so far over his head it isn’t funny.
 
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In honestly wondering if the AD has money on these games. Not a bad conspiracy considering how much money the university has lost this year.
 
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Just curious, where can one prove the "sucking of athletics dry" by the academic side. I looked through the NCAA statements on the UTAD website and since FY13, UTAD has received $11.4M in direct transfers from the institution (I assume that means campus/academics) and during that time has only transferred back $2.6M to the institution (again, assuming it means campus/academics). According to that, seems like UTAD took from academics to the tune of $8.8M. Perhaps the sucking occurred prior to FY13 which was the starting date of the statements.

Correct, Dave Hart put a stop to the transfers during his first year in 2012. The UTAD still foots the bill for the operating costs of Thompson-Boling Arena and debt service on parking garages.

The academic side makes a transfer of a portion of the student activities fee to athletics for student athletic tickets to non-football events.
 
👆👆This. Admin no longer prioritizes athletics. Never mind the actual evidence at Alabama that shows the quality of student pre-Saban vs. their current quality of student. More applications, higher caliber student and their average GPA and ACT scores have continued to go up.

Academians should realize that a strong athletic program escalates the caliber of student by making your school more desirable and increasing the demand for spots in the incoming classes.

Totally confused as to why they feel these two sides of the university do not compliment each other. It is like two dogs in a pissing contest. Until that gets fixed, there really is no hope.

Also, at Alabama, our academics have received millions upon millions in monies for academic scholarships having nothing to do with athletics. It doesn’t have to be one or the other, each can compliment the other in many ways.

Our athletes grades have also risen as a result of the academic side helping by working with the athletes, as Saban keeps direct tabs on his players grades.
 
You might as well give up. You've got a full fledged lynch mob out there, empowered by the internet. No way they'll allow Tennessee football to succeed.
What does the Tennessee fan base have to do with the 16 years of failure? The fan base is reactionary only, it is squarely with UTAD to make the right strategic decisions in which they have repeatedly failed.
 
My fear is that we will go 2-8 this year and keep him. Then he will go 6-5 next year due to adding soft OOC opponents next year and the AD will be boasting about what great progress we are making while still getting blown out by the big 3. As I have said many times their goal is mediocrity and expect the fans to swallow it.
 
Then you would fail as a college athletics director.

You can be mad at the extensions if you want to be, that's your right. But don't act like Tennessee is in a unique position here. There's not an AD in the country that wouldn't have extended Pruitt back in the spring. No AD lets a guy go into a season with two years left on his contract. It just doesn't happen in major college athletics.

The Kiffin example is moot because no one in UT's upper administration that was here in 2008 when that deal was done is still employed here. Regardless, Kiffin's agent insisted on the low buyout and indicated it was a dealbreaker.
This is poor rationalization for incompetent decisions. Pruitt was under contract for another 2 years and there was significant uncertainty with his coaching abilities before this season started. If you did not extend him this summer then he would still be coaching this year which would give you more evidence to justify an extension. Pruitt would not have declined coaching because he was still under contract. At worst case, you would have paid more for the extension after this season but would also have proof that the extension was necessary.

This is a simple decision tree problem that UTAD absolutely failed. Yes, there is a trend to sign extensions at the 2 year mark but to use that as justification without making an individual decision given these unique circumstances is JV level thinking.
 
Maurer and the other three Qb’s likely have not received enough reps to feel completely comfortable but football history is full of backups coming in and responding immediately like they have always been a starter. Right now based on what I have seen this year , HB appears to be the only capable Qb. I was pro JT and BM coming in this year and thought with game experience they would be better than JG. After watching both in their limited playing time , I do not believe they are better than JG. HB is though.

Bailey is getting there, but he wasn't ready and he wasn't better than JG the first 3-4 games. Bailey's not being ready is not on the coaching staff. You've had it explained to you a million times why Bailey was not ready. On the other hand, I don't know the whole of why JT and BM aren't anywhere near being" up to snuff". At least a small part of the answer is Covid; maybe a large part is lack of coaching and development; maybe they just don't have the native ability.
 
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Bailey is getting there, but he wasn't ready and he wasn't better than JG the first 3-4 games. Bailey's not being ready is not on the coaching staff. You've had it explained to you a million times why Bailey was not ready. On the other hand, I don't know the whole of why JT and BM aren't anywhere near being" up to snuff". At least a small part of the answer is Covid; maybe a large part is lack of coaching and development, maybe they just don't have the native ability.
I don’t except that Bailey was not ready to the level that he could not have performed better JG. Of course that is not a high threshold.
 
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This is poor rationalization for incompetent decisions. Pruitt was under contract for another 2 years and there was significant uncertainty with his coaching abilities before this season started. If you did not extend him this summer then he would still be coaching this year which would give you more evidence to justify an extension. Pruitt would not have declined coaching because he was still under contract. At worst case, you would have paid more for the extension after this season but would also have proof that the extension was necessary.

This is a simple decision tree problem that UTAD absolutely failed. Yes, there is a trend to sign extensions at the 2 year mark but to use that as justification without making an individual decision given these unique circumstances is JV level thinking.

Pruitt actually had 3 seasons left on his existing contract, after 2020; initial contract was 6 years.

Which makes Fulmer's decision to extend him before the start of the 3rd season an even worse decision.
 
Pruitt is an extremely bad fit at Tennessee. Poor face of the program in literally every way. Players aren't well coached at all. Players aren't getting developed. Looks like an ass the way he wears his mask on his head . His assistant coaches hate him. Administrators hate him. He has lost parts of the team for various and sundry reasons (such as continuing to play #2 and sticking with older players who cant play over younger ones who are more talented but less experienced, and his treatment of assistants). I don't see how any reasonable administrator can believe this thing is heading in the right direction and more importantly what gives them reason to believe things will be any better next season.
 

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