Is there a back story on why Thigpen stayed?

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Iam4utalways said:
I must be missing something(not new to me), if a 3rd year walk-on plays before a highly touted recruit, doesn't that mean the walk-on has developed and that why he is playing and not the recruit.

Unless since the recruit isn't playing it means that he isn't being developed, but why would anyone think a true freshman should play before a 3rd year guy even if the on that has been around a while is a walk-on.
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Because Jumper wasn't SEC level good. Sure, he was fine for a walk-on. The fact that we can watch him and know the guys behind him must be worse points to development not taking place. If Jumper were playing lights out, then your argument would fit better.

Some could (and did) argue that Martinez was a good coach because Sutton balled out. Over time, Sutton proved to be the outlier, as clearly those around him were not developing. Sutton just had raw talent and instincts. Nothing has shown me that JRM and Kirkland aren't Thigpen's outliers. Guys three years in the system aren't cutting it. Guys with good offers. There are always busts, but they all shouldn't bust.
 
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#53
Great recruiter, not a great developer of talent. Our back-up MLB was a former walk-on. Whatever happened to Gavin Bryant and Dillon Bates? Why has it taken a ton of injuries to finally see Eliot Berry on the field? He has obvious athletic ability, but has been poorly coached. Thig's saving grace is his recruiting. Without that, he's nothing.
 
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Weezer said:
Great recruiter, not a great developer of talent. Our back-up MLB was a former walk-on. Whatever happened to Gavin Bryant and Dillon Bates? Why has it taken a ton of injuries to finally see Eliot Berry on the field? He has obvious athletic ability, but has been poorly coached. Thig's saving grace is his recruiting. Without that, he's nothing.
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Agreed. The LBs have not been developed. What an opportunity for Bryant and Bates, yet they are no where.
 
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Roustabout said:
Agreed. The LBs have not been developed. What an opportunity for Bryant and Bates, yet they are no where.
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There is also the possibility that some players are not as good as folks thought they were coming out of high school.

Then there is also the factor of whether they are up to doing the work it takes to succeed at the next level.

It is not just in sports - but some folks who were extra ordinary academically in high school even become average in college.
 
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Kristy* said:
Because Jumper wasn't SEC level good. Sure, he was fine for a walk-on. The fact that we can watch him and know the guys behind him must be worse points to development not taking place. If Jumper were playing lights out, then your argument would fit better.

Some could (and did) argue that Martinez was a good coach because Sutton balled out. Over time, Sutton proved to be the outlier, as clearly those around him were not developing. Sutton just had raw talent and instincts. Nothing has shown me that JRM and Kirkland aren't Thigpen's outliers. Guys three years in the system aren't cutting it. Guys with good offers. There are always busts, but they all shouldn't bust.
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Who was it that came in after JRM got hurt?

Then he got hurt too, that's when Jumper went in and I thought played very well against Fl and held his own for the rest of the year, rather than a hot recruit being good enough from the get go to get the playing time. For a freshman to consistently play instead of an upperclassman that would be a development issue, but when the upperclassmen are further developed than the rookies it's a sign of development especially when is a walk-on keeping a rated player off the field.

Now if it's everybody not getting any better then I would see your point, but with the improvement in Jumper from 2015 to 2016 tells me that if he can improve that much why aren't the others? Is it the player or the coaching. Back to Jumper, he shows me that it may be a player issue more so than a coaching issue.
 
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volfan102455 said:
There is also the possibility that some players are not as good as folks thought they were coming out of high school.

Then there is also the factor of whether they are up to doing the work it takes to succeed at the next level.

It is not just in sports - but some folks who were extra ordinary academically in high school even become average in college.
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It's CBJ's job to recognize talent and not just star gaze.

It's CBJ's job to recognize heart and not just star gaze.

Maybe the 5* heart isn't as much baloney as so many bashed CBJ for saying.

I want the 5* recruit that has the 5* heart, you know the total package.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
For some reason I thought Jumper was 3rd string and I thought he played well(balled out is juvenile).

Release the Beast!
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3rd string? As in our 5th or 6th linebacker? Nah. He played in every game, started 7 of em. He was not 3rd string last season
 
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KBVol said:
3rd string? As in our 5th or 6th linebacker? Nah. He played in every game, started 7 of em. He was not 3rd string last season
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When JRM got hurt it wasn't Jumper that took his spot. When that guy got hurt that's when Jumper went in.

Is that not 3rd string?

Just because he played in all and started 7 due to injury doesn't change the fact he should have been buried in the depth chart.

What am I missing? No joke. Is that not what happened?

Edit: After further review, McDowell was JRM's backup and Jumper was DKjr's backup.

Jumper was not 3rd string he was 2nd.
 
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When your tackles are being blown off the line it doesn't allow the linebackers room to make plays. Lest see how they do with a DLine.
 
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volfan102455 said:
There is also the possibility that some players are not as good as folks thought they were coming out of high school.

Then there is also the factor of whether they are up to doing the work it takes to succeed at the next level.

It is not just in sports - but some folks who were extra ordinary academically in high school even become average in college.
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A great recruiter shouldn't be so bad at recognizing the talent at his own position. You can't afford to miss on that many recruits. And was Eliot Berry a miss as well, given how long it has taken him to see the field(which really only happened because of all the injuries)?
 
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Weezer said:
A great recruiter shouldn't be so bad at recognizing the talent at his own position. You can't afford to miss on that many recruits. And was Eliot Berry a miss as well, given how long it has taken him to see the field(which really only happened because of all the injuries)?
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Some of the development is the coaches - but no matter how good a coach (or teacher is) if the student doesn't focus and put in the work - they will not develop.

Injuries also play a factor. Settling into the routine of college is also a factor. Some will also grow into a role slower.

I think some may also get discouraged when it doesn't happen immediately. They come in thinking they are going to beat out players that have already established themselves in the system. Unless there is a big difference between pure talent, experience will always win out at the start.

It takes both sides for growth to occur. Some on here just want to focus on the coaching side and some expect a high school kid to walk on campus and contribute immediately. And they incorrectly get labeled a bust when it doesn't happen. Sad ....
 
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walkenvol said:
Or it could mean Shoop is a coordinator and Thig is a position coach?

Or Shoop negotiated in his contract to always fly first class when he signed?
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Everyone please stop with the rational... It doesn't support the Volspiracy theories. Speculation is where it is at... Don't use facts or critical thinking please... It is not as fun.
 
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Weezer said:
A great recruiter shouldn't be so bad at recognizing the talent at his own position. You can't afford to miss on that many recruits. And was Eliot Berry a miss as well, given how long it has taken him to see the field(which really only happened because of all the injuries)?
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Elliott Berry wasn't a "miss," he was a 3* tweener that we signed because we wanted his brother. Any contribution he made was gravy.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Wasn't it Oregaron who showed up in Memphis at Marlon Browns grandmothers house for a visit and he was drunk? Thus Brown ended up at Georgia!
Not a big deal because Brown had a less than staller career at Georgia.
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Dropped the F-bomb in front of Mamaw too. At least that's the word here in Memphis.
 
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memtownvol said:
Dropped the F-bomb in front of Mamaw too. At least that's the word here in Memphis.
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No, it was kind of a misunderstanding. O, being a Cajun, referred to himself as a "******* "which is common but Grandma thought this was referring to something different. That's the real story as I understand it.
 
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