Is strength and conditioning a problem?

[VOL-uh-tile]

Our lines are just physically beaten each week. Our DL can't stop the running game since day 1. Before the injuries happened.

McKenzie is still soft and doughboy like after 2 years in the program.

We are in sad shape for the next couple years until we get bigger and stronger on the OL and DL and start dominating at the line as BAMA does.

Soft?

 

[10th Mountain VOL]

I think its a combination of two things. And you can put some of the blame on the S&C coach.

The S&C coach along with the coaching staff have to make the kids tough. Make there bodies tough. I found it very strange during the summer for example that CBJ let the players take days off when they didn't feel so good! Thats not only physical toughness but Mental. Then i see practice days when CBJ lets them only wear shoulder pads and helmets. Again that is not only physical toughness it is mental as well. It is the S&C and the Coaches job to make these kids bodies tough as well as learn how to play their positions.

If you think that is bogus then think about how a fighter gets ready for a fight. Or how does a Commander get his troops ready for battle. Its all about getting them tough enough to win. Mentally and Physically!

So IMO these injuries can be laid right at CBJ feet as he makes the big decisions.

Think about it.

 

[armchair]

How many threads can be started about this? Isn't this something that comes up every year?

Hell - someone was trying to blame the equipment!

FOOTBALL IS A CONTACT SPORT. INJURIES HAPPEN.

All guys have been hurt through contact injuries. IT HAPPENS.

Yes, it comes up EVERY year. How many S&C coaches have we had in the last 10 years? Seems like several. They are usually first in the line of scapegoats!

 

[JoeVols]

So S&C is going to prevent a dislocated shoulder when trying to stop a downhill runner? It's going to stop a concussion when someone targets you? It's going to stop a bone from breaking in a foot?

S&C was a strength of the team until we started losing and then it's suddenly exposed as our weakness? C'mon man.

I wouldn't say "suddenly". The injuries started with the season opener. And no one is saying every injury is due to one factor. But the totality of the injuries? Coinciding with our new S&C coach? I don't believe in coincidences.

 

[10th Mountain VOL]

I think its a combination of two things. And you can put some of the blame on the S&C coach.

The S&C coach along with the coaching staff have to make the kids tough. Make there bodies tough. I found it very strange during the summer for example that CBJ let the players take days off when they didn't feel so good! Thats not only physical toughness but Mental. Then i see practice days when CBJ lets them only wear shoulder pads and helmets. Again that is not only physical toughness it is mental as well. It is the S&C and the Coaches job to make these kids bodies tough as well as learn how to play their positions.

If you think that is bogus then think about how a fighter gets ready for a fight. Or how does a Commander get his troops ready for battle. Its all about getting them tough enough to win. Mentally and Physically!

So IMO these injuries can be laid right at CBJ feet as he makes the big decisions.

Think about it.

 

[Sudden Impact]

How many threads can be started about this? Isn't this something that comes up every year?

Hell - someone was trying to blame the equipment!

FOOTBALL IS A CONTACT SPORT. INJURIES HAPPEN.

All guys have been hurt through contact injuries. IT HAPPENS.

I asked a simple question about the changeover of equipment and it was answered. The Shoulder and Head injuries are more of a concern of mine personally.

It's a legitimate concern and question that should be asked not necessarily the only factor. I cannot remember this many injuries in these areas ever.

Head injuries occur but I don't know how many times I have seen a player hit in helmet to helmet clash and the Vol play looks like he got his bell rung and the other player walks away like next up.

Shoulder injuries yes we have them especially with QBs but this year 4 to 5 plus at mid season.

Ck to see if any equipment has changed or has been modified from last season. New and improved....It's worth looking into.

We have gone soft this year but it appears that the game conditioning still exists. Figure it out. It's a question just as much as the S&C coach.

 

[tennesseeduke]

We have been losing players left and right. Is S&C an issue? I only remember one other year where injuries were this bad.

No why else would we be do strong in the 4th quarter in all the previous games? S&C is not a factor in injuries we've experienced this far. Bad luck!

JMHO

;-)

TennesseeDuke

 

[ConantheVolbarian]

No conditioning program PREVENTS injuries...that's a fantasy concept.

Wrong

 

[butchna]

Not sure what that has to do with this. He's the new S&C coach and injuries have gone through the roof. I'm glad the players got their wish but at what cost?

He's not NEW is the point. And while you're listing all the injuries to knee and shoulders and brains that were supposed to be prevented, what's your answer to Tuttle being recovered from last season's cheap shot? A garbage S&C program pulls that off?

 

[butchna]

Wrong

Right and triple stamp! :yess:

 

[ConantheVolbarian]

I think its a combination of two things. And you can put some of the blame on the S&C coach.

The S&C coach along with the coaching staff have to make the kids tough. Make there bodies tough. I found it very strange during the summer for example that CBJ let the players take days off when they didn't feel so good! Thats not only physical toughness but Mental. Then i see practice days when CBJ lets them only wear shoulder pads and helmets. Again that is not only physical toughness it is mental as well. It is the S&C and the Coaches job to make these kids bodies tough as well as learn how to play their positions.

If you think that is bogus then think about how a fighter gets ready for a fight. Or how does a Commander get his troops ready for battle. Its all about getting them tough enough to win. Mentally and Physically!

So IMO these injuries can be laid right at CBJ feet as he makes the big decisions.

Think about it.

Any coach with half a brain tries to limit full pad hitting in practice. It's standard practice. Why? Because most injuries happen in practice! We came into the season physically healthy and that is a big reason why.

 

[joevol33]

Yes op it is.

 

[butchna]

I asked a simple question about the changeover of equipment and it was answered. The Shoulder and Head injuries are more of a concern of mine personally.

It's a legitimate concern and question that should be asked not necessarily the only factor. I cannot remember this many injuries in these areas ever.

Head injuries occur but I don't know how many times I have seen a player hit in helmet to helmet clash and the Vol play looks like he got his bell rung and the other player walks away like next up.

Shoulder injuries yes we have them especially with QBs but this year 4 to 5 plus at mid season.

Ck to see if any equipment has changed or has been modified from last season. New and improved....It's worth looking into.

We have gone soft this year but it appears that the game conditioning still exists. Figure it out. It's a question just as much as the S&C coach.

What exercise prevents concussions? Jumping jacks?

 

[ConantheVolbarian]

Right and triple stamp! :yess:

No, wrong. It's a fact that a stronger muscles don't tear as easily and that's just one example. There's also the factor of body awareness. A good strength and conditioning coach might instruct a player how to plant their foot in certain situations to avoid injury for example. A lot of injuries are preventable.

 

[QuickSmurf]

The main thing that prevents injuries is subs.Limiting playets snap count is proven. Alabama has so much depth and that factors in player health

 

[McDad]

I've been thinking about this since sjt, who I respect as a knowledgeable poster, mentioned CBJ and our yearly injuries. I don't believe S&C can prevent injuries. I do believe they can decrease the likelihood of severe soft tissue injuries. Broken bones and concussions can't be avoided with lifting or stretching.
So, what is it? My theory(ies): 1. our starters play longer compared to other teams which increases the odds an injury is sustained. Fatigue, poor technique, and the sheer number of cumulative minutes playing a violent contact sport. They play longer because our games come down to the wire which requires using our 1s. Blowouts allow for 2s and 3s to come in.
2. our blocking scheme seems to bunch all the big uglies up. I may be imagining this but the spacing between o line players is narrow when compared to other teams. The proximity means increased chances of feet tangling up and sprains. Also, it means there isn't as much free space as players hit the turf so the standing players are more likely to have the downed players roll up on their lower legs.

That's all I could think of.

 

[butchna]

No, wrong. It's a fact that a stronger muscles don't tear as easily and that's just one example. There's also the factor of body awareness. A good strength and conditioning coach might instruct a player how to plant their foot in certain situations to avoid injury for example. A lot of injuries are preventable.

So if Kirkland had "Planted his foot right" in midair, that ankle wouldn't have bent the wrong way. :lol: A muscle bound body will prevent concussions? Your glutes being sublime will keep Kendrick's planted leg from going sideways when another player hits it from the side? Our players are going full speed when their opponents are stealing breaths between possessions and if you haven't noticed the astonishing body transformations that happen in mere months post NSD, then you're choosing to hone your fake science. We were out schemed and out talented yesterday...pure and simple. Attack our water boys...maybe they're mediocre.