Is RFK, Jr. done?

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At the end of the day the party that:
- seeks to import people from all over the world with literally zero health checks and requirements (source: incredible number of effing "charity"-imported TB patient "refugees" from non-combat countries my wife had to sit in rooms with while working at an immigration firm);
- that juices up kids with hormones, SSRIs, and other trash;
- that decriminalizes the intentional spread of STDs including and especially HIV;
- and that supports the widespread consumption of whatever body-destroying narcotics and drugs

has zero right to say anything about health.

Republicans aren't any better, but at least they typically don't lie about being bought off.
 
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ButchPlz said:
At the end of the day the party that:
- seeks to import people from all over the world with literally zero health checks and requirements (source: incredible number of effing "charity"-imported TB patient "refugees" from non-combat countries my wife had to sit in rooms with while working at an immigration firm);
- that juices up kids with hormones, SSRIs, and other trash;
- that decriminalizes the intentional spread of STDs including and especially HIV;
- and that supports the widespread consumption of whatever body-destroying narcotics and drugs

has zero right to say anything about health.

Republicans aren't any better, but at least they typically don't lie about being bought off.
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Dems hate puberty!!
 
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I like that Robert Kennedy Jr is shaking up the status quo.

Scientific Community is very closed-net and political in my view. Our food pyramids change on a whim on what is healthy and is not. Obesity and health issues are climbing in the USA. Kennedy may have some out there ideas but the Status Quo is clearly not working. Something is off with the Medical Community, Science Community, and Dept of Health. I have lost a lot of trust and I am open to different views. COVID-19 is a great example (but just one) of their failure. Doctors and Scientists that tend to challenge their views get isolated or expunged from the "system".

Do I think Kennedy is wrong on a lot of issues? Very likely. However, we need to stare ourselves in the face and start to admit that the current thoughts are also concerning and wrong.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I like that Robert Kennedy Jr is shaking up the status quo.

Scientific Community is very closed-net and political in my view. Our food pyramids change on a whim on what is healthy and is not. Obesity and health issues are climbing in the USA. Kennedy may have some out there ideas but the Status Quo is clearly not working. Something is off with the Medical Community, Science Community, and Dept of Health. I have lost a lot of trust and I am open to different views. COVID-19 is a great example (but just one) of their failure. Doctors and Scientists that tend to challenge their views get isolated or expunged from the "system".

Do I think Kennedy is wrong on a lot of issues? Very likely. However, we need to stare ourselves in the face and start to admit that the current thoughts are also concerning and wrong.
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Everyone agrees that food additives and health trends need to be addressed in the big picture and no one has a problem with that aspect of what he says.

Its the kooky anti-vax stuff that is so alarming and is dangerous.

Add to that the fact that he seems to be running off all qualified people unless they adopt his views on vaccines, and his bullying management style a la Trump and there is no room for dissent, and you see where the problem is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Everyone agrees that food additives and health trends need to be addressed in the big picture and no one has a problem with that aspect of what he says.

Its the kooky anti-vax stuff that is so alarming and is dangerous.

Add to that the fact that he seems to be running off all qualified people unless they adopt his views on vaccines, and his bullying management style a la Trump and there is no room for dissent, and you see where the problem is.
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I have heard a lot of rhetoric about him being anti-vaccine but in all interviews, he stated the opposite and even cited that he and all his children got vaccines.
 
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hog88 said:
I’m thinking it’s the other way around, it’s you reading cherry picked propaganda.
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As head of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has promised to lead with “radical transparency,” follow “gold-standard science,” and maintain vaccine access. But top officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) tell TIME that Kennedy has done only the opposite—prompting them to resign in late August from the agency. Their accounts include previously unreported details about the turmoil unfolding at one of the nation’s leading health agencies.

Kennedy has repeatedly sidelined CDC officials, ignored established research, circumvented scientific protocols, and pushed a vaccine agenda rooted in ideology and not science, say Dr. Debra Houry, CDC’s former chief medical officer; Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, the agency’s ex-vaccine chief; and Dr. Daniel Jernigan, who led the department that oversees vaccine safety.

Kennedy has stacked a key vaccine-advisory committee with vaccine opponents and granted special status to a vaccine skeptic allowing him unhampered access to part of a sensitive CDC vaccine database, they say. His office has, without explanation, held up a data project that CDC scientists say would make the agency’s data more transparent. And he has made major policy decisions, including changing vaccine recommendations, without consulting top CDC scientists, the former officials say.

Houry, Daskalakis, and Jernigan resigned on Aug. 27, the same day the White House fired CDC Director Susan Monarez. Jennifer Layden, another top CDC official, also resigned. The four former officials spoke to TIME this week.

“You get to the point where if you stay, you’re complicit,” Daskalakis says. “I couldn’t just sit there and not say this is horribly wrong.” In his resignation letter, the former director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases wrote that he could no longer serve “in an environment that treats CDC as a tool to generate policies and materials that do not reflect scientific reality and are designed to hurt rather than to improve the public’s health.”

time.com

Exclusive: Inside the CDC Exodus and RFK Jr.’s Anti-Vaccine Crusade

Kennedy pledged evidence-based policy. But former CDC officials say his approach is endangering Americans.
time.com time.com
 
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lawgator1 said:
As head of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has promised to lead with “radical transparency,” follow “gold-standard science,” and maintain vaccine access. But top officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) tell TIME that Kennedy has done only the opposite—prompting them to resign in late August from the agency. Their accounts include previously unreported details about the turmoil unfolding at one of the nation’s leading health agencies.

Kennedy has repeatedly sidelined CDC officials, ignored established research, circumvented scientific protocols, and pushed a vaccine agenda rooted in ideology and not science, say Dr. Debra Houry, CDC’s former chief medical officer; Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, the agency’s ex-vaccine chief; and Dr. Daniel Jernigan, who led the department that oversees vaccine safety.

Kennedy has stacked a key vaccine-advisory committee with vaccine opponents and granted special status to a vaccine skeptic allowing him unhampered access to part of a sensitive CDC vaccine database, they say. His office has, without explanation, held up a data project that CDC scientists say would make the agency’s data more transparent. And he has made major policy decisions, including changing vaccine recommendations, without consulting top CDC scientists, the former officials say.

Houry, Daskalakis, and Jernigan resigned on Aug. 27, the same day the White House fired CDC Director Susan Monarez. Jennifer Layden, another top CDC official, also resigned. The four former officials spoke to TIME this week.

“You get to the point where if you stay, you’re complicit,” Daskalakis says. “I couldn’t just sit there and not say this is horribly wrong.” In his resignation letter, the former director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases wrote that he could no longer serve “in an environment that treats CDC as a tool to generate policies and materials that do not reflect scientific reality and are designed to hurt rather than to improve the public’s health.”

time.com

Exclusive: Inside the CDC Exodus and RFK Jr.’s Anti-Vaccine Crusade

Kennedy pledged evidence-based policy. But former CDC officials say his approach is endangering Americans.
time.com time.com
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So they say but have they provided any evidence?
 
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lawgator1 said:
As head of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has promised to lead with “radical transparency,” follow “gold-standard science,” and maintain vaccine access. But top officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) tell TIME that Kennedy has done only the opposite—prompting them to resign in late August from the agency. Their accounts include previously unreported details about the turmoil unfolding at one of the nation’s leading health agencies.

Kennedy has repeatedly sidelined CDC officials, ignored established research, circumvented scientific protocols, and pushed a vaccine agenda rooted in ideology and not science, say Dr. Debra Houry, CDC’s former chief medical officer; Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, the agency’s ex-vaccine chief; and Dr. Daniel Jernigan, who led the department that oversees vaccine safety.

Kennedy has stacked a key vaccine-advisory committee with vaccine opponents and granted special status to a vaccine skeptic allowing him unhampered access to part of a sensitive CDC vaccine database, they say. His office has, without explanation, held up a data project that CDC scientists say would make the agency’s data more transparent. And he has made major policy decisions, including changing vaccine recommendations, without consulting top CDC scientists, the former officials say.

Houry, Daskalakis, and Jernigan resigned on Aug. 27, the same day the White House fired CDC Director Susan Monarez. Jennifer Layden, another top CDC official, also resigned. The four former officials spoke to TIME this week.

“You get to the point where if you stay, you’re complicit,” Daskalakis says. “I couldn’t just sit there and not say this is horribly wrong.” In his resignation letter, the former director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases wrote that he could no longer serve “in an environment that treats CDC as a tool to generate policies and materials that do not reflect scientific reality and are designed to hurt rather than to improve the public’s health.”

time.com

Exclusive: Inside the CDC Exodus and RFK Jr.’s Anti-Vaccine Crusade

Kennedy pledged evidence-based policy. But former CDC officials say his approach is endangering Americans.
time.com time.com
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If only he were a big pharma executive that had the peoples best interests at heart.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Has the vaccine schedule or the ingredients changed over the past 30-40 years? I don't have kids so I never looked into what it was, but it was more shots than I realized. But the whole vaccines aren't safe thing didn't seem to blow up until like 10 years ago or something. Probably around the rising influence of social media.
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I started to hear things around 20 or so years ago. But the uptick coincided with the rise of websites and more open info exchanges, really blew up with social media.

There were even segments on TV 60 minutes maybe?
 
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TN Ribs said:
Wrong, I am not the reason, nor is science the reason. There is an entirely different reason why there is vaccine hesitancy. It's people like you and RFK fear-mongering and spewing nonsense and pretending to be an expert.
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The issue was it turns out the vast majority of people never needed the COVID vaccine but it was forced upon them.

Roughly 50% of the people are skeptical of the government at any given time, personally I am 100% of the time. Forcing them to take vaccines it turns out weren't needed (for the vast majority), while purposefully lying about this viruses origins is what made people skeptical.

The COVID vaccine did nothing for the vast majority of people, and even hurt some of those people. Sure it saved some lives. But let's not pretend the skeptical weren't proven at least partially correct.
 
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KB5252 said:
The issue was it turns out the vast majority of people never needed the COVID vaccine but it was forced upon them.

Roughly 50% of the people are skeptical of the government at any given time, personally I am 100% of the time. Forcing them to take vaccines it turns out weren't needed (for the vast majority), while purposefully lying about this viruses origins is what made people skeptical.

The COVID vaccine did nothing for the vast majority of people, and even hurt some of those people. Sure it saved some lives. But let's not pretend the skeptical weren't proven at least partially correct.
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I have yet to hear that admission from a single person, despite all the vitriol so many of us received during the ridiculous CV19 fiasco. There is even a poster in this thread claiming that aside from the shots saving some lives, "everything else is nonsense."

The damage done to businesses, educational neglect, isolation harm to kids and adults, psychological pathology, vaccine injuries, the possibility of chronic conditions that may continue to appear over decades, feigned Science without any evidence, lies propagated by the CDC, politicians, and media . . . All "nonsense."
 
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StarRaider said:
the big pharma funded dims want to forget about this
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And it is examples like this that leads more and more people to find that the so called "experts" are no experts at all.......in many areas. Now think about the potential consequences for the future when there is an actual emergency that could wipe out half of us. will anyone trust the future experts? These evil people may not have any idea what they have really done. I hope and pray it is not to our collective doom. May all of them ingest a satchel of Richards. I wish them nothing but the worst.
 
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norrislakevol said:
And it is examples like this that leads more and more people to find that the so called "experts" are no experts at all.......in many areas. Now think about the potential consequences for the future when there is an actual emergency that could wipe out half of us. will anyone trust the future experts? These evil people may not have any idea what they have really done. I hope and pray it is not to our collective doom. May all of them ingest a satchel of Richards. I wish them nothing but the worst.
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The one reassuring thing to me was that, hidden from most of the media and internet, there was a strong contingent of physicians who were opposed to many of the mandates and "requirements" and were prepared to take action, if needed. Most people wouldn't believe how many medical professionals were ready to change their entire course of practice, if it came to that.
 
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ButchPlz said:
At the end of the day the party that:
- seeks to import people from all over the world with literally zero health checks and requirements (source: incredible number of effing "charity"-imported TB patient "refugees" from non-combat countries my wife had to sit in rooms with while working at an immigration firm);
- that juices up kids with hormones, SSRIs, and other trash;
- that decriminalizes the intentional spread of STDs including and especially HIV;
- and that supports the widespread consumption of whatever body-destroying narcotics and drugs

has zero right to say anything about health.

Republicans aren't any better, but at least they typically don't lie about being bought off.
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A lot of good points
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Two questions:

1. Does anyone believe that a child should be denied an education if his or her parents are opposed to vaccination?

2. Does anyone believe that a child should be denied medical care by being discharged from a medical practice if his or her parents are opposed to vaccination?
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They should not be denied. This world continues to get more nuts
 
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