Is Peyton The GOAT

[Johnnyreb#VFL]

We also can't forget that Brady was a part of spygate and deflategate. 2 major obstacles in considering his legacy when trying to make an argument for him. He was found guilty and received a 4 game suspension for cheating. Can't make this stuff up. Some goat

 

[SayNoToJorts]

1a. Manning
1b. Marino

 

[volsportsfan]

It's a toss up for me, id take either. Belicek > any coach Manning has had. I hold that against Brady. On the other hand, I've seen with my own eyes Brady's calmness in the pocket and very good accuracy. I give props to Manning for not forcing it and turning the ball over his last year. Had to be hard not to force the ball in that dreadful offense. But, he was very smart, took care of the ball, and let his defense lead him to his second super bowl. I think Brady would have done the same thing if he was QB at Denver and having to lead that poor offense.

Now, the last point I want to make. I've seen enough Aaron Rodgers to say this. I'd take him over any qb that has ever played the game. He is the greatest talent at that position. His athletic ability, his mind, and his unbelievable accuracy and excellent arm strength is something to behold. If you are a football fan, and you have never watched Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game, or any big game where his best is needed for the Packers to win, do yourself a favor and set down and watch true greatness at that position. Rodgers> any name you want to put here in my book. That's who I want if I'm coaching or owning a team. I'm taking Rodgers over anybody to ever play the game.

 

[sport3500]

While reading "The Fix" by David Baldacci, Peyton Manning is mentioned as being a 10 year old leukemia patient's favorite football player.

 

[Diceman]

The supporting cast has been discussed and is now starting to get recognized for what it has been. It's part of the reason Belichik is now considered in a class by himself as a coach. The Super Bowl team that beat the Seahawks the leader in sacks was Rob Ninkovich. Last year, it was Trey Flowers.

I mean, from afar, it's like they are trying to see how ****** they can make their roster and still compete for a title. They up and traded Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins during the season. At 39 years old, they gave Brady a WR corps of Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, and Malcolm Mitchell. Their RB, Blount, they picked up on a waiver wire midseason (dk which year). Did you ever hear of James White? I didn't.

Brady has thrown TD passes in the Super Bowl to David Patten, Deion Branch, Robert Givens, Mike Vrabel, Randy Moss, Danny Woodhead, Aaron Hernandez, Gronk, Edelman, Amendola, Lafell and James White.

Go research the Patriots during the Brady years and see how often they go get weapons for Brady. I fainted when they traded for Brandin Cooks.

Here's a video with Herm Edwards and Donovan McNabb

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Cu0Xw6AeA[/youtube]

Edit: regarding the better team...I used that as an example because the standard excuse for why a Peyton Manning team did not win is because the other team is better. It was always somebody else. Peyton never played a part in his team losing. And for Brady, the success that his team has enjoyed is always because he is playing for this unbelievably loaded squad. Well, I disagree on both counts. There are occasions where a Peyton Manning team lost because Peyton did not play like Peyton. That's not me bashing Peyton, he's human. There have been several occasions where the Patriots won because Brady made everyone around him better and not the other way around.

Yeah, I still completely disagree regarding the supporting cast. I have researched the Brady years (not to mention I remember them and how stacked those teams were and how everyone talked about that), and there was a ton of talent on most of those teams. I mean, you talk about guys like Edelman as if they're chopped liver, when in reality he's been one of the most explosive players in the league since he got there, and has been one of the best receivers in the league for several years now. Not to mention you left Gronk off the list of his receiving corps, and he's the most dominant, and biggest mismatch, TE in the game, by far. I know who was on the Pats team that beat the Seahawks. Ninkovich had nearly 10 sacks a few years in a row, he wasn't some scrub. He was also playing on a D with Chandler Jones, Vince Wilfork, Revis Island, Hightower and other ballers. That team was stacked. Yes, I know who James White is. I also know that Dion Lewis was an absolute terror last year before getting injured, and that he got virtually no playing time when he returned this past season because White was playing that role opposite Blount so well. I have no idea why you'd be shocked they grabbed Cooks when they have already shown a willingness to make moves for ballers to help Brady out. Nothing should shock you about a move like that after they got Moss. You actually think that it looks like the Pats are trying to see how bad of a team they can win with, and you actually think they have had crappy overall talent during the Brady years. That blows my mind. As I said, agree to disagree. This is why I don't post much here, I end up wasting time arguing about ridiculous things.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

No. Brady is GOAT

After what he did in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl it would be hard to argue against him, but Manning will always be #1 in my book.

 

[Mystery Train]

I think people take way too firm of a position on these things. Brady will have had the greatest career, but everybody has different opportunities, challenges, and advantages. Who is the best QB? and who is greatest QB? are sort of 2 different questions. For "best" you can make a case for Elway, Marino, Manning, Brady, Unitas, and Montana and I won't say you're wrong.

Underrated post, IMO.

There are so many ways you could phrase the question. If you want me to pick the best career ever, it's Brady hands down. But if I'm starting a new franchise and I get to draft one player to build my team around, I'm taking Manning over everyone. If you have to win just one single game, I probably choose Brady or Montana. Got one drive at your own 20 down by 6 with 45 seconds to go? I'm taking Elway. Choose one QB to make one impossible throw to save the world from aliens? Give me Brett Farve (or Rodgers).

It isn't as simple as "Greatest Ever." It's situational. But Manning revolutionized the QB position in the modern era, to the same degree Unitas did in his era. Hell, Manning changed the way DEFENSE is played, so he's got as good a claim to the mystical GOAT title as anyone. But Brady isn't done yet...so enjoy the debate!

 

[pimo1]

You tell me

NFL career passing touchdown record: 539
Most passing yards, career: 71,940
Single season touchdown record (2013): 55
Most passing yards, season (2013): 5,477
Most wins (including playoffs): 200
Most games throwing for 300+ yards: 93
Most passing touchdowns in a single game (tied, 2013): 7
Most games with a passing rating higher than 105: 97
Most games with a perfect passer rating of 158.3: 5
Most seasons with 350+ completions: 10
Most games completing 80-percent passing: 19
Most game-winning drives: 56
Most comeback wins: 45
Highest completion percentage in a postseason game with 450+ yards (2005): 81.8
Highest yards-per-game, season (2013): 342.31
Most games with 4+ touchdown passes: 25
Most seasons passing for 4,000+ yards: 14
Most consecutive seasons with 25+ touchdowns: 13
One of two quarterbacks to ever beat all 32 teams (along with Brett Favre)
First quarterback to beat 31 franchises: 2007
Most Associated Press NFL MVP awards: 5 (2003, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2013).
Only QB in NFL history to lead two franchises to Super Bowl wins.

I understand the argument for Brady, but Mannings accomplishments are second to none imo.

that is the second dumbest question ever posed to mankind.

First understand goats are herd animals there is not one. As far as the NFL is concerned there are certain members of that herd.

Peyton Manning
Jerry Rice
Reggie White
Lawrence taylor
Joe Montana
Dan Marino

and so on

In the N.B.A. it would read something like
Magic
Jordan
Bird
Dr. J
Jerry West
Wilt
Hakeem
Kareem Abdul Jabaar

don't get it twisted unless he rapes a bus full of nuns brady will be there he just hasn't retired yet. People seem to get things confused G.OA.T. is not about one guy its about who that guy was. and u cant be that guy till u was. Everyone's list of G.O.A.T.'s will be slightly different in its full listing, but all will have a lot of the same guys. Personal preference is what separates the fringe guys.

 

[governmentmule]

doesn't Bradshaw have more Championship rings ?


and Tee a Championship ?

 

[volfannbama]

You made the silly comment so back it up - you will get roasted on here and you know it

Of course ill get roasted on a vols forum, its one rung below bad mouthing Jesus Christ. Tebow accomplished far more as a college qb than Manning. Argument complete.

 

[volfannbama]

We also can't forget that Brady was a part of spygate and deflategate. 2 major obstacles in considering his legacy when trying to make an argument for him. He was found guilty and received a 4 game suspension for cheating. Can't make this stuff up. Some goat

He wasnt found guilty of anything.

 

[TopDog4TN]

1a. Manning
1b. Marino

This...Montana and Brady are huge products of a system and that's taking nothing away from their victories when saying that, but Montana had the first west coast offense under Bill Walsh who was that eras Bill B. You take Brady out of the system and the system still works they still win...you take Montana out of his and same thing they still win. When manning and Marino are taken away from their respective teams....they becam abysmal.

 

[BeecherVol]

Manning played the position better than most and just as good as the short list of greats. He may not have the total number of rings that some do but none of them played QB "better" than he did.

 

[volsack]

I would say no he isn't. Cool story about all his stats, but that's just the Tennessee apologist looking for something to hang their hat on.

1) To be the greatest ever its about one thing, and that is wins and winning at every level. Brady, Montana, Hornung and Stabler all won an NCAA natty, a Super Bowl and an MVP, Manning isn't on that list.

2) Just looking at Super Bowl wins, Peyton is well behind Brady with 5 (or 3 if you want to take out wins for spygate and deflategate, which still puts him ahead of Manning), Montana and Terry Bradshaw have 4, Troy Aikman has 3, and then comes Peyton, tied with Eli at 2. You can't be the best ever if you are tied with Eli Manning for anything.

3) Finally, to be the best ever you have to be the best quarterback in franchise history, and he may or may not have been in Indy, and definitely wasn't better than Elway in Denver.
Stats are fun, but wins are what matter, and he just never got it done enough times to be the GOAT.

 

[IknoxvolsI]

This...Montana and Brady are huge products of a system and that's taking nothing away from their victories when saying that, but Montana had the first west coast offense under Bill Walsh who was that eras Bill B. You take Brady out of the system and the system still works they still win...you take Montana out of his and same thing they still win. When manning and Marino are taken away from their respective teams....they becam abysmal.

Don't forget how far Montana took Kansas City.

 

[jamescoburn]

It's impossible to say so I'm content with his being my favorite....

 

[SteelerVol]

Brady is the GOAT. It's tough, but it's true.

Would you still feel that way if:

Patriots lose their 1st Super Bowl ring if the refs don't give it to them with the "worst" call in the history of sports. The tuck rule. The Raiders had the game won. The Pats would never had gone if not for that. Total robbery and I'm a Steelers fan.

Going to 2 Super Bowls after using filming done during 2 AFC championship games.

Pats lost the Super Bowl against the Seahawks. Russell Wilson gave it back to them.

Falcons won last year and the Flacons coaches gave that one back to them.

Brady will get tons of credit for games the Pats won with the equivalence of several Hail Marys.

Just Saying...

 

[HoptownVol]

I'd put him 3rd behind Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

This right here. :rock:

 

[114VOL]

Brady is the GOAT, as much as I hate to say it. Injuries shortened Manning's career.

With all due respect, you couldn't be more wrong!

He played until he was 40. For most of his career, he was an iron man.

 

[114VOL]

Take Manning off his team, and they'll be picking first in the next year's draft. Take Brady off his team, and theyll still win 11. It's a proven fact.

They did win 11 the year Brady got hurt, but missed the playoffs. They won 18 the year before, so they won 7 games less without him. That's a fact too

 

[114VOL]

Manning isn't GOAT but is top 5 of all time. This is a homer board for him so the results aren't too objective. I would put Brady, Montana and Elway ahead of him

 

[n_huffhines]

With all due respect, you couldn't more wrong!

He played until he was 40. For most of his career, he was an iron man.

Technically they did shorten his career because he missed an entire season and probably retired before he wanted to.

Also, they clearly hurt his career. His arm strength in Denver was so bad, particularly his conditioning. A healthy Manning maybe wins 2-3 SB's with the Broncos.

 

[114VOL]

I'm not penalizing anyone. You're the one who made the statement, I simply corrected you. As for may not even be the second best quarterback of his era. Sure thing bud. Why did both Tony Dungy and Reggie Wayne say last year that Brady was better than Manning? Seems odd that two future hall of famers won't go to bat for one of their former players/teammates.

Almost all ex-players who are paid analysts say Brady is better. I'm thinking most of them are far more objective AND more informed than most posters here

 

[114VOL]

I would say no he isn't. Cool story about all his stats, but that's just the Tennessee apologist looking for something to hang their hat on.

1) To be the greatest ever its about one thing, and that is wins and winning at every level. Brady, Montana, Hornung and Stabler all won an NCAA natty, a Super Bowl and an MVP, Manning isn't on that list.

2) Just looking at Super Bowl wins, Peyton is well behind Brady with 5 (or 3 if you want to take out wins for spygate and deflategate, which still puts him ahead of Manning), Montana and Terry Bradshaw have 4, Troy Aikman has 3, and then comes Peyton, tied with Eli at 2. You can't be the best ever if you are tied with Eli Manning for anything.

3) Finally, to be the best ever you have to be the best quarterback in franchise history, and he may or may not have been in Indy, and definitely wasn't better than Elway in Denver.
Stats are fun, but wins are what matter, and he just never got it done enough times to be the GOAT.

Brady never won a natty while at Michigan and Stabler never won one at Bama

 

[114VOL]

Technically they did shorten his career because he missed an entire season and probably retired before he wanted to.

Also, they clearly hurt his career. His arm strength in Denver was so bad, particularly his conditioning. A healthy Manning maybe wins 2-3 SB's with the Broncos.

You're right! MAYBE, but not likely