Is money the issue?

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You don't fire a coach for one season of not meeting expectations. That's dumb. Herman loses two ugly ones, against teams with inferior talent, and half the posters not this board wants him as our coach. Sometimes you crap the bed.
 
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volfanhill said:
You don't fire a coach for one season of not meeting expectations. That's dumb. Herman loses two ugly ones, against teams with inferior talent, and half them his board wants him as our coach. Sometimes you crap the bed.
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You are right you don't fire a coach on one year of not meeting expectations, but does Dobbs doesn't look like last year.and I am going to tell you the truth the OC before debord, when the offense was on it was on. Our oline sucks we are seeing the same basic plays with no variation. Kelly was supposed to be 25 touches. With 16 touches he 95. That 6.7 ypc. With Dobbs having a off night why not cover him with a running back that almost avg. 7ypc. Makes too much sense right!
 
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No, money isn't the only issue. If you fire coaches at the drop of the hat you (ironically) become the Cleveland Browns.

Coaches pay attention to this stuff. It's not just about money or football.
 
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volfanhill said:
You don't fire a coach for one season of not meeting expectations. That's dumb. Herman loses two ugly ones, against teams with inferior talent, and half them his board wants him as our coach. Sometimes you crap the bed.
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No, you don't fire a coach for one bad season. However, warning signs, bells and whistles have to be going off. How can a team lead by three year players and roster stuffing become so impotent? How after three years of ball safety can you become one of the worst in the country? How can past teams who were so careful and being one of of the best in penalties now be penalized so often and in critical situations? How can every game, regardless of opponent be life or death in the fourth quarter? Something is going on and that much is obvious. This is a very hard team to watch for four quarters, especially having watched these almost same players grow for the last three years.
 
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Dr H Lecter said:
No, you don't fire a coach for one bad season. However, warning signs, bells and whistles have to be going off. How can a team lead by three year players and roster stuffing become so impotent? How after three years of ball safety can you become one of the worst in the country? How can past teams who were so careful and being one of of the best in penalties now be penalized so often and in critical situations? How can every game, regardless of opponent be life or death in the fourth quarter? Something is going on and that much is obvious. This is a very hard team to watch for four quarters, especially having watched these almost same players grow for the last three years.
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Agreed
 
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Sorry, but with UT, there is no money issue. All of these boosters that are worth 750 Million or more could end this with a drop of a hat, regardless of what university admin says, thinks, or feels. These boosters would rather "renovate" Neyland than spend a 1/10th of that money to actually hire a 5 star coach. Morons.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Sorry, but with UT, there is no money issue. All of these boosters that are worth 750 Million or more could end this with a drop of a hat, regardless of what university admin says, thinks, or feels. These boosters would rather "renovate" Neyland than spend a 1/10th of that money to actually hire a 5 star coach. Morons.
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Easy to spend other people's money.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Sorry, but with UT, there is no money issue. All of these boosters that are worth 750 Million or more could end this with a drop of a hat, regardless of what university admin says, thinks, or feels. These boosters would rather "renovate" Neyland than spend a 1/10th of that money to actually hire a 5 star coach. Morons.
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I've been a Tennessee supporter for more years than I want to admit. However, other than Johnny Major ( and maybe Barnes if you consider him one), UT has never spent the money to hire a "name" coach. Their pattern has nearly always been to place a cheap bet on a long shot and hope for a good return on its investment. I can't imagine the University doing anything else.
 
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Dr H Lecter said:
I've been a Tennessee supporter for more years than I want to admit. However, other than Johnny Major ( and maybe Barnes if you consider him one), UT has never spent the money to hire a "name" coach. Their pattern has nearly always been to place a cheap bet on a long shot and hope for a good return on its investment. I can't imagine the University doing anything else.
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Those hires only work if people have an emotional investment in our program. Fulmer had that and he fought like heck to be here as long as possible. Just hate he didn't have the chance in 2009 to right the ship.
 
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Dr H Lecter said:
I've been a Tennessee supporter for more years than I want to admit. However, other than Johnny Major ( and maybe Barnes if you consider him one), UT has never spent the money to hire a "name" coach. Their pattern has nearly always been to place a cheap bet on a long shot and hope for a good return on its investment. I can't imagine the University doing anything else.
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Well first off we haven't had to make many hires with our stability. It was a lot of years with Majors and then a lot of years of Fulmer right after.

But I don't think it's true that we've been too cheap. We shelled out a lot of money for the "best staff in the country" when Kiffin was here with his dad and Oregeron as part of that staff.
 
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If anyone thinks that the University of Tennessee has money issues that prevent them from hiring big time coaches are fooling themselves. Money is nowhere near the problem.

Idiotic leadership from the top down is the issue.
 
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AstonRoyal said:
Well first off we haven't had to make many hires with our stability. It was a lot of years with Majors and then a lot of years of Fulmer right after.

But I don't think it's true that we've been too cheap. We shelled out a lot of money for the "best staff in the country" when Kiffin was here with his dad and Oregeron as part of that staff.
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We have been very cheap IMO. Especially with head coaches. I have no proof but I suspect Hart didnt open up the checkbook when looking for Dooleys replacement. Now, some have said no big time coaches were interested in the job and that might be true. But since we will never know who was officially contacted and interviewed, its all speculation. I just feel like Hart went with his safe pick, a guy whom he knew and liked as opposed to someone with a better resume.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We have been very cheap IMO. Especially with head coaches. I have no proof but I suspect Hart didnt open up the checkbook when looking for Dooleys replacement. Now, some have said no big time coaches were interested in the job and that might be true. But since we will never know who was officially contacted and interviewed, its all speculation. I just feel like Hart went with his safe pick, a guy whom he knew and liked as opposed to someone with a better resume.
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He balked at half a million increase to get Strong, who would have brought a million times better staff than Butch. Shame!
 
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volfanhill said:
You don't fire a coach for one season of not meeting expectations. That's dumb. Herman loses two ugly ones, against teams with inferior talent, and half the posters not this board wants him as our coach. Sometimes you crap the bed.
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Players are regressing, let me ask you this who looked like the senior QB last night? It sure as hell wasn't Dobbs
 
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Boca Vol said:
No, money isn't the only issue. If you fire coaches at the drop of the hat you (ironically) become the Cleveland Browns.

Coaches pay attention to this stuff. It's not just about money or football.
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Yep
 
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amavol2 said:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.forb...s-notre-dame-and-tennessee/amp/?client=safari
Looks like UT made roughly $70,000,000 in profit last year on football alone.
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This article is very misleading.

The Tennessee athletic department reported a net operating surplus of $13.1 million for the 2014-15 fiscal year.

The department reported consolidated total operating revenues of $121,837,383 against a total of $107,179,659 in operating expenditures and transfers.

Tennessee closed the fiscal year with a reserve fund balance of $6.9 million, the lowest among the 14 SEC members.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2401645-tennessee-athletic-department-budget-for-2014.html
 
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volfanhill said:
You don't fire a coach for one season of not meeting expectations. That's dumb. Herman loses two ugly ones, against teams with inferior talent, and half the posters not this board wants him as our coach. Sometimes you crap the bed.
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I think Herman has been in talk with a couple of schools and his players realize he is leaving so they are not showing as much effort
 
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JMSqb11 said:
He balked at half a million increase to get Strong, who would have brought a million times better staff than Butch. Shame!
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You have to be kidding or you are out to lunch. Strong is likely to be fired this year and has some of the best recruits money can buy. We are very fortunate that he turned us down.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
You have to be kidding or you are out to lunch. Strong is likely to be fired this year and has some of the best recruits money can buy. We are very fortunate that he turned us down.
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Strong has strong ties to Florida recruiting, which we don't have at the moment. That's a fact. Strong has/had a chip on his shoulder with UF, not giving him the job after Urban because of personal life. That's a fact. Strong would have had our defense rolling from Day 1. You can't say he would have had same record here as he does in Texas. Different leagues and styles of teams. Still to this day I wish we would have hired Strong instead of Butch. Strong is better recruiter and it's not like Butch has done a better a job either.
 
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When I was young I used to think that money was all that matters.
Now that I'm older, I know it is.
 
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