Is Kippy Brown in consideration?

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VolFanInHawaii

VolFanInHawaii

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It's a shame how he was rudely shown the door by Hamilton, and he's an excellent coach. Is there any chance he could come back as our offensive coordinator? And yes, I'm sure we'd have to pony up quite a bit of money for him.
 
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Consideration for a position that isn't even open?

If fully healthy next year, you guys will see what Chaney can do.
 
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VolFanInHawaii said:
It's a shame how he was rudely shown the door by Hamilton, and he's an excellent coach. Is there any chance he could come back as our offensive coordinator? And yes, I'm sure we'd have to pony up quite a bit of money for him.
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Kippy left on his own accord right after he said that he wouldn't leave Knox if given the chance to stay regardless if he was the HC or not. Kippy, Cutcliffe, Sanders, among others are not welcome back in Knoxville imo.
 
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GahLee said:
Consideration for a position that isn't even open?

If fully healthy next year, you guys will see what Chaney can do.
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Are we going to trade in our RB's for some DT's somewhere? Didn't know you could do that in NCAA football. Otherwise we may as well scrap the whole running game and convert the RB's to DB or LB's.

I was on Chaney's side going into this season, but as the season progressed and we showed NO capability to run whatsoever, I gave up him. So, should Dooley, if he is able to stick around.
 
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I'm sorry to say it, but Kippy has had opportunities as OC in the NFL and it never panned out. It would be too big of a gamble to assume he could do more than be a WR position coach. We have one of the best right now.

Wouldn't trade him for another, no matter who may or may not replace Dooley. I hope Baggett stays put for a long time.
 
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GahLee said:
I Like Chaney, and with a full deck of cards I think he could do great things here.
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I agree with you...IF we were running a spread passing attack. But that is not what we do here, and I doubt it would get us very far in the SEC, being so one dimensional. That's why Hunter staying healthy was so critical to this teams success. We needed a weapon opposite of Rodgers to keep defenses from shutting the passing game down. It was all we had.
 
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VolFanInHawaii said:
one things for sure: he can certainly make some moronic play calls!!
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But the subject is Kippy. What for? Chaney has made some bad calls this year , but to suggest that Kippy should replace him just doesn't make sense.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I agree with you...IF we were running a spread passing attack. But that is not what we do here, and I doubt it would get us very far in the SEC, being so one dimensional.
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It helps to have an Oline that can block and a pair of Rb's that can hit the hole, like every other successful SEC team.

The entire staff has been limited be their options.
 
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GahLee said:
It helps to have an Oline that can block and a pair of Rb's that can hit the hole, like every other successful SEC team.

The entire staff has been limited be their options.
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True, but it seemed to me that schematically, Chaney just doesn't get it in the run game. I don't think he knows how to create holes for the RB's. I can't believe that it is all on Heistand's shoulders and the OL.

There is some talent and size there. They should have blown Vandy's, MTSU's, and KY's smallish DL off the ball and opened gaping hole from time to time. Every OC we've had...even Sanders called a better running game than Chaney has.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
True, but it seemed to me that schematically, Chaney just doesn't get it in the run game. I don't think he knows how to create holes for the RB's. I can't believe that it is all on Heistand's shoulders and the OL.

There is some talent and size there. They should have blown Vandy's, MTSU's, and KY's smallish DL off the ball and opened gaping hole from time to time. Every OC we've had...even Sanders called a better running game than Chaney has.
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Since when is it the coaches responsibility to perform on the field, he calls the plays, if the players can't execute, what are you to do?

I'd love to see what some other coaches could do with a roster made up of FR and Soph's, really would.
 
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GahLee said:
Since when is it the coaches responsibility to perform on the field, he calls the plays, if the players can't execute, what are you to do?

I'd love to see what some other coaches could do with a roster made up of FR and Soph's, really would.
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I guarantee that there are plenty of coaches that could get more out of our offensive line than we do. Plenty. Our run game is just simply pathetic, and it didn't improve at all the entire year. That's an indictment on Chaney as much as it is Hiestand.
 
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I highly doubt any coach could get much more out of what we have.

I'm positive there are better coaches than Chaney and that some could do better, but how much better?

You can't point to one person or one thing and say this is it when you are as bad at running as UT was. It's a combination of many, many things.
 
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GahLee said:
I highly doubt any coach could get much more out of what we have.

I'm positive there are better coaches than Chaney and that some could do better, but how much better?

You can't point to one person or one thing and say this is it when you are as bad at running as UT was. It's a combination of many, many things.
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Well, it wasn't experience because all of them returned and seemed to regress in run blocking; it's not size because they're all huge; it's not talent because all of them were highly regarded players and Dooley himself has said that Fulton and James were sure fire NFL players. That narrows it down to pretty much coaching and scheme in my book. I hate Kiffin, but he got more out of the Sullins twins that Chaney has gotten out of guys that are bigger, faster, and more talented. I don't like it, but that's the truth.
 
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to be fair our running game wasn't horrible last year. I think the key is the personel running it. Theres no Arian Foster (who was much maligned by everybody as a vol), or Montario Hardesty's on this roster
 
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OrangeBrownie said:
to be fair our running game wasn't horrible last year. I think the key is the personel running it. Theres no Arian Foster (who was much maligned by everybody as a vol), or Montario Hardesty's on this roster
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Our running game was absolutely pathetic. There's no two ways about it. There's no Arian Foster and Hardesty, and there's also no blocking and no scheme.
 
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GahLee said:
I highly doubt any coach could get much more out of what we have.

I'm positive there are better coaches than Chaney and that some could do better, but how much better?

You can't point to one person or one thing and say this is it when you are as bad at running as UT was. It's a combination of many, many things.
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We have the size, talent, and even enough experience on the OL to produce at least a mildly productive running attack. Instead, we have nothing.

I've noticed that on designed off-tackle runs, that no one seals the edge, to block pursuit of the RB...so he generally only has one guy to beat. We NEVER did that, but watch the Bama game and they did that to us ALL freakin night.

That and the lack of screens (they are the perfect call often times when the DL is getting too much pressure on the QB, and also when you are behind a bit on down and distance). Teams that run it well can hurt you with it even when you know it's coming.

I hate to admit it, but I sure do miss Cutcliffe as OC. Problem was he is one of those coaches who hit their ceiling either at the position level or Coordinator level. He thinks he's HC material and he's not. For this reason, he screwed himself, Fulmer and the team by humping the first thing (HC position) that moved. If he doesn't have enough sense to wait until a REAL job opens up, then he has no business being a HC in the first place. I honestly think Fulmer would still be coaching here, if Cutcliffe wasn't so eager to bail. And I am certainly not a Fulmerite, but he was as effective as a 3-legged race horse without Cut.
 
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The 2nd string QB is the most popular guy on the team. The grass is always greener on the other side. Don't dance with the one who brung you.

How do we know a new guy will be better than the one we got? Maybe he would be, but maybe he won't. If Chaney has the players he would look great. Plain and simple. He has done it before and can do it again with the right players.
 
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I can recall many stupid play calls by Chaney this year:
The Rai Gun against KY when we were on the 8 yard line
Having a true freshmen throwing towards the endzone inside the 10 yard line
Not showing any signs of a running game all season is the most glaring, Heinstand job is to teach the run and pass blocking schemes the OC calls for. Chaney is clueless as to what works in the SEC, this is a power conference where there is speed all over the field and the sweep plays he called this year was flat out horrible but yet he stuck with it all year. Pretty much summed it all up for me as to what type of an OC he is. If it doesn't work, blame it on the players because I know what i'm doing philosphy isn't going to cut it here.
 
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They're not switching OC's now. There is no wiggle room for this staff anymore. They got one more year to get it figured out or they're all gone. No one worth their salt will touch it. We're stuck with Chaney and his middle school play calling for one more year.
 
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Chaney was held over by Hamilton if I remember right. He is a smart guy & probably meshed with Dooley. Last year we were very young & the belief was we would naturally be better on offense. It didn't happen so Dooley has to make a change IMO. So this goes goes back to Hamilton.
 
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