Is Dooley That Bad of a Coach?

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I'm all for a reasoned approach and i get the wait and see attitude, but what coach in the SEC not employed by Vandy or Kentucky has ever gone 5-7 and not been on the hot seat the next year?
 
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We don't know if CDD can coach or not. The examples given primarily relate to recruiting well and building a roster. That is only one part of several when it comes to being a head coach. Can he game day coach on the field? No evidence he can yet. Can he develop players? Don't know. Couldn't with the last batch of assistant coaches. Can he game plan? No evidence yet that he can based on the blow out losses and no running game. Can he scheme in all three phases of the game? Previous answer.

As many have said we will find out this year. He brought Saban's process with him. Don't know if he is the guy to execute it or not. May not know for a couple more years.

What disturbs me is most fans think an 8 win season will be good. No way. When you are the head coach at UT you are not successful with an 8 win season. You might keep your job for another season, but you haven't been successful with all of the support you receive from everybody and everything at your fingertips. The roster is there with good experience. Get it done or go home.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Amazing. One of the DDNMWB members finally admits it. Wins and losses are not what determines a good coach? Haha
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I can see it now..................................................

The music is loud! The girls are bouncing! The DJ is scratching!! The beat is bumping! The drinks are draining!
Fun and excitement is in the air!!

Then VolBeef88 walks in wearing his pants to high, with a cigar sticking out of the side of his jaw, and the DJ scratches the music to a stop. Everybody turns to see him, and starts slamming their drinks on the floor and on the tables. Party is over. All the drunk girls stomp out of the door. All of the confetti stops falling. You can hear boos off in the distance...

Could have been a fun night.....

:)


Everyone is gone.
 
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SCowlsVOL said:
I guess the rule but I will still stay with my opinion.
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Admirable. I don't think the position is entirely unreasonable. Often coaches probably deserve more time than they get. In the SEC you don't always get what you deserve.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm all for a reasoned approach and i get the wait and see attitude, but what coach in the SEC not employed by Vandy or Kentucky has ever gone 5-7 and not been on the hot seat the next year?
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Once Ole Miss fired Cut...all bets were off.
 
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Has anyone considered that maybe Dooley has improved as a coach. Alot of things can be learned from past experiences. Hopefully, he has learned from his mistakes and will not repeat them.

History does not repeat itself- it is documented so mistakes are not repeated in the future.
 
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Lexvol said:
Admirable. I don't think the position is entirely unreasonable. Often coaches probably deserve more time than they get. In the SEC you don't always get what you deserve.
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Agreed ! I hope he wins but if he does win then he might end up being like the Bama coach a few years back. I'm assuming that we lose certain players no matter what next yr.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
Has anyone considered that maybe Dooley has improved as a coach. Alot of things can be learned from past experiences. Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes and will not repeat them. History does not repeat itself- it is documented so mistakes are not repeated in the future.
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I think a stronger AD has helped Dooley's development.
 
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darkgable said:
I can conclude that Dooley is a good coach based on the state of the program 3 years ago and where it is today. Wins or loses doesn't equal good or bad. He's a good coach due to the fact that he has methodically recruited players to positions we were lacking in talent. He's a good coach by understanding the mindset of his players and getting the right coaches to coach the players. He has improved the roster, consistently had good signing classes and doing all the necessary things to get them to play as one. When all those things come together you win, not every game but your opponent knows that they've been in a war. That's what I see him building.
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Being a good recruiter =/= being a good coach. Ron Zook was an excellent recruiter for Florida, yet he never had a season of fewer than 5 losses.
 
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Lexvol said:
Do we want the exception or the rule?
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I get what you're saying but imo the situation CDD came into in January 2010 was so BAD! Most "experts" were picking us to win 4 games and what Dooley did year one with that roster was pretty durn good. Almost an 8 win season, yes almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades but expectations were exceded. Last year, still a very young team with basically no depth. Add injury to two stars and it was one of our worst seasons in recent memory. I get it, Dooleys record doesn't say great coach, but what he has built in just 2 1/2 years definitely doesn't say bad coach. I just don't think any other coach would have done better in the exact same situation.
 
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Did not finish the article. Dooley did come n a our coach in the worst possible conditions and I think he has accomplished much more than most fans thought he could. I hope he is around for a number of years.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I get what you're saying but imo the situation CDD came into in January 2010 was so BAD! Most "experts" were picking us to win 4 games and what Dooley did year one with that roster was pretty durn good. Almost an 8 win season, yes almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades but expectations were exceded. Last year, still a very young team with basically no depth. Add injury to two stars and it was one of our worst seasons in recent memory. I get it, Dooleys record doesn't say great coach, but what he has built in just 2 1/2 years definitely doesn't say bad coach. I just don't think any other coach would have done better in the exact same situation.
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Strongly agree.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
I get what you're saying but imo the situation CDD came into in January 2010 was so BAD! Most "experts" were picking us to win 4 games and what Dooley did year one with that roster was pretty durn good. Almost an 8 win season, yes almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades but expectations were exceded. Last year, still a very young team with basically no depth. Add injury to two stars and it was one of our worst seasons in recent memory. I get it, Dooleys record doesn't say great coach, but what he has built in just 2 1/2 years definitely doesn't say bad coach. I just don't think any other coach would have done better in the exact same situation.
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Not only did Dooley inherit a shell of an SEC football team, but he had to face two of the toughest schedules that UT has had in years.

I understand, but will return to my previous statements. Average or good doesn't cut always cut it in the SEC. Dooley has another year to prove himself. It is sink or swim.....

It isn't up to us...it is in the hands of Hart and the boosters now.
 
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voldawgforever said:
I can see it now..................................................

The music is loud! The girls are bouncing! The DJ is scratching!! The beat is bumping! The drinks are draining!
Fun and excitement is in the air!!

Then VolBeef88 walks in wearing his pants to high, with a cigar sticking out of the side of his jaw, and the DJ scratches the music to a stop. Everybody turns to see him, and starts slamming their drinks on the floor and on the tables. Party is over. All the drunk girls stomp out of the door. All of the confetti stops falling. You can hear boos off in the distance...

Could have been a fun night.....

:)


Everyone is gone.
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Don't think that was a cigar and he was hoping it was a different kinda club. LOL awesome post Vdawg!!
 
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Thanks OP. I enjoyed the article. The # of players drafted for each team on the schedule was an interesting comparison. I generally had thought there was NO excuse for the loss to UK since their talent level wasn't any better than UT's. I knew UT only had 1 senior that got drafted but I didn't realize that number was less than Vandy's and UK's.

We'll have a much better feel for CDD's coaching ability after this season.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Even though I think Dooley is firmly planted on the hot seat, very good article. Made some good points.
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Somewhere in my gut, I still don't think Dooley is in near as hot a seat as some think he is, my opinion being as long as Cheeks and Hart see marked improvement, he is at the least safe till next year, anything beyond 8 wins as to whether the 9th comes via a bowl victory or regular season gets him a minimum of 3 year extension. I know that probably is not going to go over well with the haters out there, but it is what I believe.
 
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darkgable said:
I can conclude that Dooley is a good coach based on the state of the program 3 years ago and where it is today.
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No you can't. 2009 record = 7-6; 4-4 in the SEC. 2011 record = 5-7; 1-7 in the SEC

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Wins or loses doesn't equal good or bad.
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Yes it does. That's the beauty of sports. When you win you're good. When you lose you're bad. It's a pretty straight forward measuring stick.

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He's a good coach due to the fact: (1) that he has methodically recruited players to positions we were lacking in talent. (2) He's a good coach by understanding the mindset of his players (3)and getting the right coaches to coach the players. (4)He has improved the roster, (5)consistently had good signing classes and (6)doing all the necessary things to get them to play as one.
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(1) This is not necessarily the sign of a good coach. This is what anyone with common sense would do.

(2) I disagree (see the KY or the ARK game for reasons).

(3) We obviously can't say this is true (see the staff turnover for reasons).

(4) I will give you this. He has improved the roster.

(5) The greatness of his signing classes are debatable. I'm not impressed finishing 6th in the SEC.

(6)I disagree (see the KY or the ARK game for reasons).
 
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TNDRIVER said:
Somewhere in my gut, I still don't think Dooley is in near as hot a seat as some think he is, my opinion being as long as Cheeks and Hart see marked improvement, he is at the least safe till next year, anything beyond 8 wins to whether the 9th comes via a bowl victory or regular season gets him a minimum of 3 year extension. I know that probably is not going to go over well with the haters out there.
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Nothing to do with love or hate. Dooley was lucky to survive the UK debacle. Hart is now pulling strings.
 
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Lexvol said:
Not only did Dooley inherit a shell of an SEC football team, but he had to face two of the toughest schedules that UT has had in years.

I understand, but will return to my previous statements. Average or good doesn't cut always cut it in the SEC. Dooley has another year to prove himself. It is sink or swim.....

It isn't up to us...it is in the hands of Hart and the boosters now.
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I agree with your bottom line, if he can't win with this years team and no injuries, may not be a reason for year 4. And if that happens, regardless of who Hart brings in, another HC, 4 in 6 years could be catastrophic for this program imo.
 
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