Is Dobbs the best SEC QB in 2016?

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gobraves101035 said:
Dobbs performance against Florida was pitiful and you can not deny that.
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His passing yardage was bad. He was 59% against a very elite defense. His rushing stats were excellent. On a scale of 1-10 as an overall score for Dobbs performance, I would give him a 7. Not bad at all against that defense.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
UGA's passing defense was good this year and Josh threw for 312 yards completing 25 passes with 42 attempts. He threw 3 touch downs and 1 int. When we have to we can pass the ball. The UGA game and last years SC game he made some big time throws under pressure. I'm glad he's on our team.
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UGA's pass defense rankings are a bit skewed since they played two option teams in Georgia Southern and Georgia Tech.
 
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omghulkhands said:
That's a bit extreme

Switch consistently with occasionally

If anyone on earth could consistently throw the deep ball accurately they would average 700 yds passing per game
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He just throws it too flat instead of getting the air under it so the receiver can make a play. If he gets more air under it he doesn't have to be as accurate.
 
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jps2194 said:
How about the fact he held a record for many years for the most completions in a row. Which makes your comment about not hitting the broad side of a barn look incredibly silly.

He looks pretty accurate in this video :loco:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=461Gx-kOzBE
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Well, there it is....the one game you can point to. And even with that 23 of 24 he only hit 57% of his passes that year....take that game away and the number drops to 54%...which the exact percentage that he completed a year later as a senior.

Here's an article about his accomplishment. Please note the first sentence to the second paragraph.....

Into Tee Party
November 01, 1998

It's Tee Time at Peyton's Place.

Tee Martin, who took over for Tennessee hero Peyton Manning this season, has rarely been confused with an accurate passer, but he set three NCAA records Saturday as he completed 23 of 24 passes for 315 yards and four touchdowns in the third-ranked Volunteers' 49-14 victory over South Carolina at Columbia, S.C.

Martin, a junior from Mobile, Ala., who hit on 51.7% of his passes before Saturday, set an NCAA record by completing 95.8% against the Gamecocks, beating the mark of 92.6% set by UCLA's Rick Neuheisel in 1983, when he completed 25 of 27 passes in a 27-24 victory over Washington.

The 6-foot-3, 215-pounder also set NCAA records for consecutive completions in one game (23) and two games (24). He completed his final pass against Alabama last week.



"It's hard to set a lot of passing records here in only two years," said Martin, referring to the dozens set by Manning in his four years.

Martin's 23 consecutive completions in one game topped the NCAA mark of 22 by Iowa's Chuck Long in 1984, the Southeastern Conference mark of 20 set by Mississippi's Ken Austin and Manning's school mark of 12. The two-game total topped the mark of 23 shared by USC's Rob Johnson and Maryland's Scott Milanovich.

Martin had touchdown passes of 21 and two yards and then hooked up with Peerless Price on touchdown passes of 13 and 71 yards as the Volunteers, 7-0 overall and 5-0 in the SEC, built a 42-0 lead after three quarters.

On the play after Martin broke the consecutive completion record--a 10-yard pass to Price in the third quarter--Martin's bid at perfection ended when he threw too high on a pass intended for David Martin.

A loud cheer went up, half Tennessee appreciation, half South Carolina frustration.

"I didn't know what was happening; I didn't know about the record," Martin said. "I thought, 'Was that something good?' "

CHAMP NO CHUMP

Georgia cornerback Champ Bailey frustrates wide receivers like Michigan's Charles Woodson did last season. He returns kicks like the 1997 Heisman Trophy winner, and even has caught more passes.

That's where the comparisons end.

While some college football analysts say Bailey is having a better season than Woodson, the two-way Georgia star isn't getting much support for the Heisman Trophy because voting for a defensive player was a one-year "fad," in the words of ESPN analyst Lee Corso. Bailey has gone so unnoticed that UCLA quarterback Cade McNown, a Heisman favorite, didn't know who he was.

"He's from Ohio State right?" McNown asked. "Georgia? No? Then I definitely haven't seen him."

Woodson, the first defensive player to win the Heisman in the 63-year history of the award, emerged late last season after Tennessee's Manning lost his status as the runaway favorite. Woodson intercepted eight passes and caught 12 passes for 238 yards and two touchdowns, a novelty that some analysts said gave voters a reason to vote against Manning.

Bailey has better offensive statistics than Woodson had at the same point last season and only one fewer interception. He has 35 receptions, 23 more than Woodson had, and five touchdowns--three more than Woodson.

He also has two interceptions.

"I've just got to keep doing what I'm doing, putting up the numbers and making sure we get the wins," Bailey said before catching eight passes for 99 yards in Saturday's 38-7 loss to Florida. "Charles opened the door for defensive players. I think you're going to see more defensive players win it in the future."
 
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KBVol said:
Well, there it is....the one game you can point to. And even with that 23 of 24 he only hit 57% of his passes that year....take that game away and the number drops to 54%...which the exact percentage that he completed a year later as a senior.

Here's an article about his accomplishment. Please note the first sentence to the second paragraph.....

Into Tee Party
November 01, 1998

It's Tee Time at Peyton's Place.

Tee Martin, who took over for Tennessee hero Peyton Manning this season, has rarely been confused with an accurate passer, but he set three NCAA records Saturday as he completed 23 of 24 passes for 315 yards and four touchdowns in the third-ranked Volunteers' 49-14 victory over South Carolina at Columbia, S.C.

Martin, a junior from Mobile, Ala., who hit on 51.7% of his passes before Saturday, set an NCAA record by completing 95.8% against the Gamecocks, beating the mark of 92.6% set by UCLA's Rick Neuheisel in 1983, when he completed 25 of 27 passes in a 27-24 victory over Washington.

The 6-foot-3, 215-pounder also set NCAA records for consecutive completions in one game (23) and two games (24). He completed his final pass against Alabama last week.



"It's hard to set a lot of passing records here in only two years," said Martin, referring to the dozens set by Manning in his four years.

Martin's 23 consecutive completions in one game topped the NCAA mark of 22 by Iowa's Chuck Long in 1984, the Southeastern Conference mark of 20 set by Mississippi's Ken Austin and Manning's school mark of 12. The two-game total topped the mark of 23 shared by USC's Rob Johnson and Maryland's Scott Milanovich.

Martin had touchdown passes of 21 and two yards and then hooked up with Peerless Price on touchdown passes of 13 and 71 yards as the Volunteers, 7-0 overall and 5-0 in the SEC, built a 42-0 lead after three quarters.

On the play after Martin broke the consecutive completion record--a 10-yard pass to Price in the third quarter--Martin's bid at perfection ended when he threw too high on a pass intended for David Martin.

A loud cheer went up, half Tennessee appreciation, half South Carolina frustration.

"I didn't know what was happening; I didn't know about the record," Martin said. "I thought, 'Was that something good?' "

CHAMP NO CHUMP

Georgia cornerback Champ Bailey frustrates wide receivers like Michigan's Charles Woodson did last season. He returns kicks like the 1997 Heisman Trophy winner, and even has caught more passes.

That's where the comparisons end.

While some college football analysts say Bailey is having a better season than Woodson, the two-way Georgia star isn't getting much support for the Heisman Trophy because voting for a defensive player was a one-year "fad," in the words of ESPN analyst Lee Corso. Bailey has gone so unnoticed that UCLA quarterback Cade McNown, a Heisman favorite, didn't know who he was.

"He's from Ohio State right?" McNown asked. "Georgia? No? Then I definitely haven't seen him."

Woodson, the first defensive player to win the Heisman in the 63-year history of the award, emerged late last season after Tennessee's Manning lost his status as the runaway favorite. Woodson intercepted eight passes and caught 12 passes for 238 yards and two touchdowns, a novelty that some analysts said gave voters a reason to vote against Manning.

Bailey has better offensive statistics than Woodson had at the same point last season and only one fewer interception. He has 35 receptions, 23 more than Woodson had, and five touchdowns--three more than Woodson.

He also has two interceptions.

"I've just got to keep doing what I'm doing, putting up the numbers and making sure we get the wins," Bailey said before catching eight passes for 99 yards in Saturday's 38-7 loss to Florida. "Charles opened the door for defensive players. I think you're going to see more defensive players win it in the future."
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I have made the argument that Champ was better than Woodson then when debating whether Manning was jobbed or not.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Wow do you really believe what you posted?

How old are you? 10?

;-(

TennesseeDuke
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Hell yeah I believe it because it's 100% provably true. Take away that one game vs SCar on November 1, 1998, and Tee Martin was a career 54% passer. Fifty. Four. Percent.

As it was, Tee was only a 55% passer for his career....with all the NFL players around him that comprised a national championship team. Much lower than Dobbs' career completion percentage (just shy of 61%)to date. And for good measure, those stats are pretty much comparing them based on having played 23 games each...even though Dobbs only played one half vs Bama his freshman year and didn't start vs Bama his Soph year.

And you surely don't want to compare rushing stats....Dobbs already has more rushing TDs and has doubled Tee up in rushing yards...it ain't close.

So, go ahead and shower me with all the evidence you have that says Martin was a better passer and runner than Dobbs...I won't hold my breath for your response.

Btw...I've been a Vols fan since I was a young boy...circa 1974. So, I'm a bit older than 10. I recall watching Randy Wallace, Condredge Holloway and Jimmy Streater.
 
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thebjd said:
I have made the argument that Champ was better than Woodson then when debating whether Manning was jobbed are not.
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One could also make the argument that Terry Fair had a better year as a DB/punt returner than Woodson in '97 as well.
 
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thebjd said:
He just throws it too flat instead of getting the air under it so the receiver can make a play. If he gets more air under it he doesn't have to be as accurate.
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I think Dobbs began getting the hang of it later in the season when the trajectory on his deep passes seemed much improved. He threw 2 deep all dimes to Malone vs Kentucky and SCar.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I could make the argument Dobbs could've put up similar numbers if he was placed in Kelly's situation.

Remember Freeze runs an air raid type offense built on throwing. They don't run the ball often or very well. While we run a zone read rushing attack. We ran the ball more than anyone in the SEC and were rarely behind. We also had almost no healthy wide receivers. While Ole Miss had 3-4 NFL wide receivers with one of them being arguably the best in the nation.

Dobbs and Kelly weren't even remotely in the same situation.

The only game where Dobbs played in a situation similar to Kelly this year was UGA. It was the only game where we fell behind by more than 7 points and we were forced to throw almost every down. Dobbs ended that game with 312 yards passing, 118 yards rushing, and 5 TDs against the #1 pass defense in the country.

I'm sure if you gave Dobbs the Ole Miss receivers and said he could throw 30 times a game instead of 20, he would put up similar passing numbers.
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I have to agree with your point about our offense being different than Ole Miss's. We do run the ball a lot more and run it consistently. Our QB fits our offensive philosophy like a glove.The way some on here are arguing about Dobbs passing is about like an GT fan complaining about their QB not being a pocket passer. Our offense could shift to be more of a passing one but right now that isn't our strength. We have Dobbs, Kamara and Hurd. We are playing to our strength and people ***** about it. Crazy
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
They also throw the ball a million more times than we do. I doubt Kelly would have that type of passing yardage success on a team that ran the ball more than anyone in the SEC.

Also isn't Chad Kelly the guy who got into a bar fight AFTER being given a second chance by Hugh Freeze.

Intangibles alone make Dobbs the better pick. If Kelly doesn't go pro, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have more off the field issues next year.
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Nobody's arguing intangibles....if that were the case I'd take Dobbs over any other QB in the country. I'm talking data and stats which measure their performance. Kelly averaged 2 full yards more per attempt than Joshua which is a huge number...and still had a significantly higher completion percentage...65 to 60.

While it's hard to control for all variables when trying to compare the two, all one has to do is watch the two play to see in large part why the statistical differences are so pronounced in Kelly's favor. He's simply a better, more accurate passer...and isn't too far behind Josh even as a runner.
 
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KBVol said:
Nobody's arguing intangibles....if that were the case I'd take Dobbs over any other QB in the country. I'm talking data and stats which measure their performance. Kelly averaged 2 full yards more per attempt than Joshua which is a huge number...and still had a significantly higher completion percentage...65 to 60.

While it's hard to control for all variables when trying to compare the two, all one has to do is watch the two play to see in large part why the statistical differences are so pronounced in Kelly's favor. He's simply a better, more accurate passer...and isn't too far behind Josh even as a runner.
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You're too beholden to stats. Do you even watch the games?

Also why didn't you respond to my other post where I discuss the difference in scheme and personnel between the two teams?

You guys are really creating aloy of great bump-able material here.

You will look real stupid by this time next year.
 
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KBVol said:
Well, there it is....the one game you can point to. And even with that 23 of 24 he only hit 57% of his passes that year....take that game away and the number drops to 54%...which the exact percentage that he completed a year later as a senior.

Here's an article about his accomplishment. Please note the first sentence to the second paragraph.....

Into Tee Party
November 01, 1998

It's Tee Time at Peyton's Place.

Tee Martin, who took over for Tennessee hero Peyton Manning this season, has rarely been confused with an accurate passer, but he set three NCAA records Saturday as he completed 23 of 24 passes for 315 yards and four touchdowns in the third-ranked Volunteers' 49-14 victory over South Carolina at Columbia, S.C.

Martin, a junior from Mobile, Ala., who hit on 51.7% of his passes before Saturday, set an NCAA record by completing 95.8% against the Gamecocks, beating the mark of 92.6% set by UCLA's Rick Neuheisel in 1983, when he completed 25 of 27 passes in a 27-24 victory over Washington.

The 6-foot-3, 215-pounder also set NCAA records for consecutive completions in one game (23) and two games (24). He completed his final pass against Alabama last week.



"It's hard to set a lot of passing records here in only two years," said Martin, referring to the dozens set by Manning in his four years.

Martin's 23 consecutive completions in one game topped the NCAA mark of 22 by Iowa's Chuck Long in 1984, the Southeastern Conference mark of 20 set by Mississippi's Ken Austin and Manning's school mark of 12. The two-game total topped the mark of 23 shared by USC's Rob Johnson and Maryland's Scott Milanovich.

Martin had touchdown passes of 21 and two yards and then hooked up with Peerless Price on touchdown passes of 13 and 71 yards as the Volunteers, 7-0 overall and 5-0 in the SEC, built a 42-0 lead after three quarters.

On the play after Martin broke the consecutive completion record--a 10-yard pass to Price in the third quarter--Martin's bid at perfection ended when he threw too high on a pass intended for David Martin.

A loud cheer went up, half Tennessee appreciation, half South Carolina frustration.

"I didn't know what was happening; I didn't know about the record," Martin said. "I thought, 'Was that something good?' "

CHAMP NO CHUMP

Georgia cornerback Champ Bailey frustrates wide receivers like Michigan's Charles Woodson did last season. He returns kicks like the 1997 Heisman Trophy winner, and even has caught more passes.

That's where the comparisons end.

While some college football analysts say Bailey is having a better season than Woodson, the two-way Georgia star isn't getting much support for the Heisman Trophy because voting for a defensive player was a one-year "fad," in the words of ESPN analyst Lee Corso. Bailey has gone so unnoticed that UCLA quarterback Cade McNown, a Heisman favorite, didn't know who he was.

"He's from Ohio State right?" McNown asked. "Georgia? No? Then I definitely haven't seen him."

Woodson, the first defensive player to win the Heisman in the 63-year history of the award, emerged late last season after Tennessee's Manning lost his status as the runaway favorite. Woodson intercepted eight passes and caught 12 passes for 238 yards and two touchdowns, a novelty that some analysts said gave voters a reason to vote against Manning.

Bailey has better offensive statistics than Woodson had at the same point last season and only one fewer interception. He has 35 receptions, 23 more than Woodson had, and five touchdowns--three more than Woodson.

He also has two interceptions.

"I've just got to keep doing what I'm doing, putting up the numbers and making sure we get the wins," Bailey said before catching eight passes for 99 yards in Saturday's 38-7 loss to Florida. "Charles opened the door for defensive players. I think you're going to see more defensive players win it in the future."
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So what exactly is your point? You said he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and I proved that to be an incorrect statement. :)

I'm honestly not sure what point you are trying to make by bashing Tee. If you are comparing Dobbs to Tee and trying to indicate Dobbs is as accurate or more than Tee, I'm not going to debate that because it is a stupid argument that is pointless and has absolutely no meaning for 2015 and 2016. However, if that is the argument you want to make, don't forget that Tee was 4th in 98 and 3rd in 99 in yards per attempt. Which is an indication they threw down the field significantly more than we do now which obviously drops your completion %.

Dobbs was 10th and I don't think anybody will deny the majority of our passes were within 5 yards of the LOS. Therefore, comparing completion % is comparing apples and oranges. Was Tee a better passer than Dobbs, who knows?
 
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johnrlansford said:
Gotta love his enthusiasm butchna. Lord knows i am Dobbs supporter, he just has poor presentation right :)
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I LOVE positivity...big fan! Delusion,conspiracy theories and general paranoia scare the crap out of me! He's painted himself into an unenviable corner. Dobbs could vastly improve and lead us to recent new heights...be all-SEC first team (maybe All-American)...place in the Heisman voting...get drafted in the fifth round and STILL be a failure according to his "guarantee". All or nothing...all or nothing. :blink:
 
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QuickSmurf said:
I have to agree with your point about our offense being different than Ole Miss's. We do run the ball a lot more and run it consistently. Our QB fits our offensive philosophy like a glove.The way some on here are arguing about Dobbs passing is about like an GT fan complaining about their QB not being a pocket passer. Our offense could shift to be more of a passing one but right now that isn't our strength. We have Dobbs, Kamara and Hurd. We are playing to our strength and people ***** about it. Crazy
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The point is that we WOULD throw more if Dobbs were more accurate. He runs this offense well, but this offense is mostly just handing it off. I think Butch would like to throw it down the field a little more to soften up the D for the CMG (stupid name, btw).

Dobbs is awesome in so many ways, but he's not a perfect QB, even for this system.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
A running back would complete 40% of their passes. Dobbs as a passer is above average not great, but comparing him to a running back is just completely stupid.
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Claiming Dobbs is an above average passer is beyond stupid. He is highly inaccurate, Even his sub-par completion stats are overwhelmingly screens and padding.
Dobbs is a runner, great stride in the open field with good vision and a knack for finding seams. He is also a load to take down. Dobbs should be on the field with the ball in his hands, but I think we need a QB who can deliver the ball downfield and loosen up defenses. Dobbs is a very cautious passer who is late delivering and generally inaccurate.
 
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