Is CJP already the worst

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Coach in the 120+ year history of UT football? I never dreamed we could get worse Dooley. Then I never thought it was possible that we could get worse than Butch but here we are. After 20 games is it possible now that CJP is the winner of the ‘worst coach in history ’ award? Have any of our coaches had a worse win-loss pct combined with average margin of defeat coupled with a historic fail like Georgia State? Sorry, I’m just saying......

Historic fail like Georgia State???

Peyton Manning and that whole team--given the talent they had on the field and the number of players on the team who played for NFL teams--LOST TO MEMPHIS State...in the middle of the best 5 year winning stretch at UT since the General was in his prime.

We tend to cut those guys a little more slack for that loss...but it was an EPIC FAIL worse than Georgia State when we were ranked #6...1 loss to Florida....and to a Memphis team that finished 4-7.
It is subjective, I confess, but considering the TALENT GAP between UT and Memphis...it has to be the WORST LOSS on record--and not even close IMO.
 
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Nope.

He's already got more marquee wins than Dooley. (Pruitt 2, Dooley 0).

Let's give it a rest, people. This season sucks, but it's too early to judge Pruitt. We're going to know more by 2021. For now, we're mostly seeing the impact of Butch Jones' 2015 - 2017 recruiting and player development. Like it or not, it is what it is. We'll know more about Pruitt over the next 24 months.

Dooley had 3 SEC wins and a bowl appearance along with no Georgia State level loss at this point. It's terrible that this can even be a comparison.
 
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Historic fail like Georgia State???

Peyton Manning and that whole team--given the talent they had on the field and the number of players on the team who played for NFL teams--LOST TO MEMPHIS State...in the middle of the best 5 year winning stretch at UT since the General was in his prime.

We tend to cut those guys a little more slack for that loss...but it was an EPIC FAIL worse than Georgia State when we were ranked #6...1 loss to Florida....and to a Memphis team that finished 4-7.
It is subjective, I confess, but considering the TALENT GAP between UT and Memphis...it has to be the WORST LOSS on record--and not even close IMO.

That Memphis team beats Georgia State by 28-35 points. That Memphis team had no business being in that game but they beat 2 p5 teams that season and has several close losses to good teams. Georgia State is unlikely to beat another P5 team in the next 10 years.
 
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YES. Pruitt will go 2-10 or 3-10 this year. Worse --players are still unmotivated; we have no discipline; we do not block or tackle well; we cannot line up correctly in the D line or secondary; our players show no sign of development. We do have the best special teams. The ST coach should be named interim coach.

Blah blah blah. Everything in your post is incorrect.
 
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That Memphis team beats Georgia State by 28-35 points. That Memphis team had no business being in that game but they beat 2 p5 teams that season and has several close losses to good teams. Georgia State is unlikely to beat another P5 team in the next 10 years.

That Memphis set a high water mark of 21 pts scored all year. And it was against us.

21. Their high score. For a season.
 
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Blah blah blah. Everything in your post is incorrect.

The 3-10 part is definitely wrong. Everything else is pretty spot on. Left out that the linebackers were playing dreadfully out of position on 3rd and longs vs Florida. Multiple times they bit on play fakes on 3rd and 10 or more. Basic fundamental football says don't leave your area to hit the LOS on play fakes on and long downs. You can run up to make the tackle short of the 1st down if they do decide to run. But once you bite on that and they pass, the middle of the field is open. That's why we kept seeing that vs UF. The linebackers were having a terrible game.
 
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Coach in the 120+ year history of UT football? I never dreamed we could get worse Dooley. Then I never thought it was possible that we could get worse than Butch but here we are. After 20 games is it possible now that CJP is the winner of the ‘worst coach in history ’ award? Have any of our coaches had a worse win-loss pct combined with average margin of defeat coupled with a historic fail like Georgia State? Sorry, I’m just saying......
Hell no. Pruitt is a lot like Maurer; he sucks but he’s inexperienced and has some promise. Butch is like JG; you can give him talent but he has no idea what the F to do with it.

Butch was a truly great recruiter and that’s about it. Wrap your head around Kiffin left for another HC job, Dooley went to the pros as a position coach, Butch fetches Saban’s coffee. Bama has had some offensive openings right? Yeah that’s what those who are paid to coach for a living think of his skill.
 
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That Memphis team beats Georgia State by 28-35 points. That Memphis team had no business being in that game but they beat 2 p5 teams that season and has several close losses to good teams. Georgia State is unlikely to beat another P5 team in the next 10 years.

That Memphis State team failed to score 21 points in any other game of that 1996 season.
That Memphis State couldn't score 10 points against the Ragin'...Cajuns...and was shut completely out--scored 0 points against Southern Miss.
That Memphis State team averaged less than 13 points/game--scoring a whopping 141 points over 11 games.
They beat a pathetic 5-6 Missouri team from the Big 12 by 19-16.

The talent gap between the 1996 Vols and Memphis State was WAY GREATER than the talent gap between the 2019 Vols and Georgia State teams.
This 2019 Volunteer team is arguably the worst football team Tennessee has put on the field in over 60 years!!!

You need to stand up because the truth is just flying 20 feet over your head.....
 
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Nope.

He's already got more marquee wins than Dooley. (Pruitt 2, Dooley 0).

Let's give it a rest, people. This season sucks, but it's too early to judge Pruitt. We're going to know more by 2021. For now, we're mostly seeing the impact of Butch Jones' 2015 - 2017 recruiting and player development. Like it or not, it is what it is. We'll know more about Pruitt over the next 24 months.
It was 2019 we're going to see improvement and 2020 we'll be contending for the East. Is that getting pushed back now?
 
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That Memphis set a high water mark of 21 pts scored all year. And it was against us.

21. Their high score. For a season.

They had a good defense, played a tough schedule, beat Missouri and a top 10 Tennessee team on a fluke play. They lost 3 of their 7 games by a total of 17 points. It was a horrible loss, but not Georgia State bad. GSU scored 38 vs Tennessee and dominated the game. Before that game in their entire program history they had only scored 67 points vs P5 teams. They have been outscored 435-67 vs p5 teams before Tennessee. They increased their total points scored vs P5 teams over the last 10 years by more than 50 percent in one game. That Memphis team beats this GSU team 28-35 to 0.
 
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That Memphis State team failed to score 21 points in any other game of that 1996 season.
That Memphis State couldn't score 10 points against the Ragin'...Cajuns...and was shut completely out--scored 0 points against Southern Miss.
That Memphis State team averaged less than 13 points/game--scoring a whopping 141 points over 11 games.
They beat a pathetic 5-6 Missouri team from the Big 12 by 19-16.

The talent gap between the 1996 Vols and Memphis State was WAY GREATER than the talent gap between the 2019 Vols and Georgia State teams.
This 2019 Volunteer team is arguably the worst football team Tennessee has put on the field in over 60 years!!!

You need to stand up because the truth is just flying 20 feet over your head.....


Incorrect. GSU average recruiting ranking was in the 115 range over the last 4 years. Tennessee's in the last 4 top 20. The gap is in the coaching the teams received leading to the opening game.
 
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20 games?

He is 6-10.

Majors was 5-10-1 at this point.

Majors didn't quit because he had Bill Battle's players on his roster. Compare his record and the competitiveness of his teams to what Pruitt is putting out. It isn't close.

Majors had the experience, from his years rebuilding Iowa State and Pitt, to lead and develop both his recruits and the holdovers from the Battle era. That is why he had his outmanned squad giving Alabama and Kentucky (Still/Ramsay era) all they wanted and more in those first two seasons.

What we're getting now from Pruitt is deficient when it is compared to the record of Majors. The foundations of the first strong squad of 1983, the first championship team of 1985, and the great seasons that followed were set down by the Roland James's, Craig Pukis, and Jimmy Streaters of that time period. Majors had them buying in. Majors had them believing. And he had them passing on the faith to the players that followed.

Pruitt isn't close to getting that job done. This is the difference between an experienced rebuilder who has been to the school of hard knocks and a coach who has had things easy all his life.
 
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YES. Pruitt will go 2-10 or 3-10 this year. Worse --players are still unmotivated; we have no discipline; we do not block or tackle well; we cannot line up correctly in the D line or secondary; our players show no sign of development. We do have the best special teams. The ST coach should be named interim coach.
I like your enthusiasm but where do you see another win, much less two more? We lost to Georgia State that is currently 2-2 and Western Michigan throttled them by 47 points. In casebook you haven’t noticed we are not guaranteed any wins and we should think we can just beat a good UAB team or Vandy. Both those schools have better head coach than we have. Yes logic would tell you we have betters players/higher rated recruits but we did so against BYU to and you seen that outcome. I think you need to start coming to grasp that 1-11 is in the very near future this year.
 
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Incorrect. GSU average recruiting ranking was in the 115 range over the last 4 years. Tennessee's in the last 4 top 20. The gap is in the coaching the teams received leading to the opening game.

I simply cannot converse with stupidity.....
 
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Step off the ledge people. Horrible job coaching this year? Yes, especially against Ga. State. All time worst? Gotta have more than a season and a third to judge that.
 
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Observing that Elliot had Georgia State more prepared to play football than Pruitt's squad is not stupidity. It is unquestionable reality.

Once again---I observe that the Memphis State coach in 1996 had an infinitely greater task in preparing and coaching his dismal 4-7 team to beat the 1996 Vols--
who were ranked #6 and in the middle of the best 5 year winning run (54-8) at UT since General Neyland walked the sidelines in his prime.

To think that Elliot's leading of GSU in the first game of the season to beat the WORST TENNESSEE team to play on Shields-Watkins field in over 70 years was worse than UT's '96 loss to Memphis State
is like saying that climbing to the top of Clingman's dome is a harder task than sir Edmund Hillary's summit of Mount Everest.

I just don't understand why you guys cannot understand that Memphis State beating a Tennessee team that put up a record of 54-8 with a NC over 5 years.
Those Tennessee teams lost 8 games to only 4 teams....Florida x4, Arky x1, Nebraska x2, and Memphis State--that was simply a herculean feat by Memphis State--
and the absolute worst coaching performance in the 90s by a UT coaching staff in their prime--Absolutely inexcusable.

Now--YOU want to tell me that a Georgia State team beating a Tennessee team that has a 28-26 record over the last 5 years is a worse loss?????

And you say that this is unquestionable reality???? Taurus Fecundum..
 
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You simply lack football knowledge.

I've forgotten more about UT football and FB in general that you'll ever know junior...

You think that reading recruiting rankings to me makes you a FB expert??
Were you even alive in the 90s to observe the juggernaut program UT was that was only eclipsed by Spurrier's perennial NC contending Gators???
 
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Once again---I observe that the Memphis State coach in 1996 had an infinitely greater task in preparing and coaching his dismal 4-7 team to beat the 1996 Vols--
who were ranked #6 and in the middle of the best 5 year winning run (54-8) at UT since General Neyland walked the sidelines in his prime.

To think that Elliot's leading of GSU in the first game of the season to beat the WORST TENNESSEE team to play on Shields-Watkins field in over 70 years was worse than UT's '96 loss to Memphis State
is like saying that climbing to the top of Clingman's dome is a harder task than sir Edmund Hillary's summit of Mount Everest.

I just don't understand why you guys cannot understand that Memphis State beating a Tennessee team that put up a record of 54-8 with a NC over 5 years.
Those Tennessee teams lost 8 games to only 4 teams....Florida x4, Arky x1, Nebraska x2, and Memphis State--that was simply a herculean feat by Memphis State--
and the absolute worst coaching performance in the 90s by a UT coaching staff in their prime--Absolutely inexcusable.

Now--YOU want to tell me that a Georgia State team beating a Tennessee team that has a 28-26 record over the last 5 years is a worse loss?????

And you say that this is unquestionable reality???? Taurus Fecundum..

Were you predicting this team to be the worst in Tennessee history? Was Pruitt predicting his squad to be the worst in Tennessee history. Were those who go to the practices and report on Tennessee observing this year's version of Tennessee football to be the worst?

No. You were probably right up there with the rest of the Pruitt fluffers calling an 8 or 9 win season.

Getting dominated by a team picked to finish dead last in the Sun Belt is far worse than losing to a Memphis team on fluke plays. Simple as that.

Were that Memphis defeat indicative of Tennessee's season, then I would agree with you that it would represent a worse loss than Pruitt's destruction at the hands of Georgia State.

But it was an anomaly not indicative of the quality of the coaching or the preparedness of the players over the course of the season.

The loss to Georgia State is an indicator of how well this team has been prepared and led this season. The roots of the blowout loss to Florida, which Mullen essentially treated like a controlled scrimmage beginning in the second quarter, can be traced to a poor off-season and the miserable beginning of the year that it produced.

Here are Georgia State's results for 2019:

Tennessee: 38-30

Furman: 48-42

WMU: 10-57

TX State: 34-37

There is no excuse or reasoning to show up for your first game of the season against a team that is barely above Kennesaw State-level and not be prepared to play.

When you lose like that to lesser-talent, you have been out-coached in every way, shape, and form. Our team, projected to go to a bowl, was blown out of our stadium by a team that will finish in the bottom level of the worst conference in the FBS.

That is a damning indictment of this head coach and his ability to lead players in a second season of rebuilding where improvement should be demonstrated. No strawman argument based on any fluke defeat Tennessee has suffered is going to change that.

Next thing you know, you'll use the loss to Mississippi State in 1950 as an excuse to condemn Neyland in an sad attempt to shield Pruitt from his ineptitude.

Before you use that in defense of this pathetic excuse for a coach, you may just want to check out how Tennessee did the rest of that season.
 
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Dooley was much better. He blew out Georgia State.
 
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[Were you predicting this team to be the worst in Tennessee history? Was Pruitt predicting his squad to be the worst in Tennessee history. Were those who go to the practices and report on Tennessee observing this year's version of Tennessee football to be the worst? QUOTE]

Wow....talk about a straw man...... And I've NEVER DEFENDED PRUITT'S LOSS TO GSU ONE TIME IN ANY POST!!!!!

I've just made a subjective assessment and offered evidence for my opinion concerning which LOSS was WORSE--CJP's or CPF'S?

And it's just easy to see----FULMER'S loss to Memphis State was hands down worse than CJP'S loss to GSU.
CJP hasn't even completed his 2nd year....Fulmer had 4 & 1/2 years under his belt in the BEST 5 years of winning UT has seen since the General!!

If you cannot observe thru 4 games that this team is performing worse than any UT team in the last 70 years--and beyond--then you just need to stop talking.

I've said repeatedly ----

the 1996 Tennessee team was riding strong in the saddle, ranked #6 in the nation, and very hopeful of winning the SEC East when they played a Memphis State team that was absolutely pitiful.
Heck fire---they had only lost to the eventual NC Gators earlier in the season and had won 17 of their last 19 games when they strolled onto the field at the Liberty Bowl in Memphis.
It was a David and Goliath moment when those two teams took the field in 1996.

There's just NO WAY ANYONE saw the GSU--Tenn. game of 2019 as a David and Goliath moment because both teams were "David's"--young, lacking armor, and only armed with sling shots.
No one predicted the 2019 Tennessee Vols to be a Goliath....most on here expected the team to win 7 games at most---6 games most likely---and 8 games if we got every break possible during the season.
And NO ONE expected this team to be playing in a New Year's day bowl game--that was a given for those 1996 VOLS!!!

Of course everyone expected the Vols to beat GSU......but NO ONE saw the VOLS as the unbeatable 10 foot tall Goliath marching out to stomp the "ignorant" teenager.
I can't make it any plainer than that.

Hell--I should've known how idiotic you are with Battle in your AVI...[/QUOTE]
 
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