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LouderVol said:
it made sense for us.

there are any number of wars we could pre-justify ourselves joining. Russia/Ukraine is a good example. North Korea got nukes and we didn't do anything. any number or India/Pakistan fights.

instead of constantly adjusting some arbitrary line, lets hold to a consistent standard.

Unless congress declares war I wouldn't get involved. If its not worth spending American lives on, then we shouldn't even risk it.
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hog88 said:
And all of this since the war started with Iran?

That was the discussion.
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No, but the ties they created grow stronger with the uncertainty we are currently creating economically.

China is playing a disciplined and sound game while the US beats their chests. I didn't know if you've noticed but a lot of people are talking behind our backs.
 
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LouderVol said:
it made sense for us.

there are any number of wars we could pre-justify ourselves joining. Russia/Ukraine is a good example. North Korea got nukes and we didn't do anything. any number or India/Pakistan fights.

instead of constantly adjusting some arbitrary line, lets hold to a consistent standard.

Unless congress declares war I wouldn't get involved. If its not worth spending American lives on, then we shouldn't even risk it.
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I say we invade India right now.......... I'm sick of all those scam calls!
 
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General Jack said:
www.forbes.com

Trump Approval Rating Drops Below 36%—A New Low

Trump has a net -18.9 approval rating.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

There is no end game, there never was - barring a land invasion and even trump isn't stupid enough to do that.

Prior to March 1 Iran didn't have nukes and they had a tyrannical regime. The difference between then and now? We've expended a tremendous amount of munitions, the Straight of Hormuz is closed and cost of living has increased.

time.com

The U.S. is Facing an Ammunition Shortage Due to the Iran War. Here’s What That Means

The Iran war has drained U.S. weapons stockpiles, experts warn, raising questions about readiness for a conflict with China
time.com time.com
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Well, approval rating of POTUS and whether or not we are "winning the war" are two totally different conversations.

I'm no fan of this continued war, but I'll reserve judgment until the outcome is decided. If the Iranian populace can gather enough stones to overthrow the regime, their nuclear program is dismantled, and the strait is ultimately under a more secure position, it will be a decided victory. I'm not convinced that at least two of those are likely.

Having decimated the Iranian air and sea powers, maybe the surrounding countries will step up and finish this thing. That could lead to a more stable ME in the long run.
 
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Sea Ray said:
So we let Iran beef up its conventional arsenal, develop a nuke and then they can bully everyone in the region, including controlling the Strait of Hormuz. No, I don't think we can stand by and let that happen
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Other than when we were the only one with a bomb, has a country ever tried to bully another with their nukes? That wouldn't work too well. Who would Iran try to bully and why?
 
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LouderVol said:
I disagree, we would have been even less prepared and would have lost more while achieving less.

US military strength
1930: 140k
1935: 120k
1938: 180k
1940: 300k
1941: 1.4 million.

German military strength:
1930: 100k
1935: 500k
1938: 4.2 million
1940: 6 million
1941: 7 million

and we didn't know about the Jewish deaths because they didn't start mass murders until 1941, there is even less reason for us to be in it early. Concentration camps didn't start until late 1940.
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Ya, about that.
 
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KB5252 said:
China has increased it's diplomatic presence to become the world's largest diplomatic network, surpassing the United States. This expansion, focused on securing infrastructure deals, resources, and isolating Taiwan, is most evident in Africa, the Pacific Islands, Latin America, and the Middle East through increased embassy staff, consulates, and high-level bilateral partnerships.

Lowy Institute
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Key Regions and Countries with Increased Chinese Diplomatic Presence
Latin America & Caribbean: Following the switch of diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to Beijing, China has deepened ties with Panama, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Honduras.

Council on Foreign Relations
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Pacific Islands: Beijing has grown its footprint, recently evidenced by Nauru switching allegiance to China in 2024, alongside established partnerships in the region.

Lowy Institute
Middle East: China has adopted a more proactive, mediator role, particularly with Saudi Arabia and Iran, while increasing investments in the Gulf region.

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·Middle East Monitor
Africa: China maintains a higher number of diplomatic posts than the U.S. on the continent, with strong ties to Zambia, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, and Zimbabwe.

Lowy Institute
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Southeast Asia & Central Asia: Through the Belt and Road Initiative, China has enhanced, strong diplomatic and economic ties with Laos, Pakistan, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Tajikistan.

中华人民共和国驻美利坚合众国大使馆
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Key Drivers of Diplomatic Expansion
The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI): Massive infrastructure investments have spurred new diplomatic missions.
Isolating Taiwan: China has successfully wooed away several nations that formerly recognized Taiwan.
"Community of Shared Future": Elevated, high-level strategic partnerships have been established with countries like Pakistan, Kenya, and Serbia.

In other words China is making strategic investments and investments with emerging markets where ROI is multifaceted. They are doing what the US did at one time.

And we are currently helping to prop up traditional allies that don't appear to have sound plans for the future.
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Yeah by being booted from South America and the ME, makes sense. They are flailing. It is over we won, you lost, and you are wrong. Deal with it.
 
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Skooter said:
What politician talks a big game and backs it up. Trump just talks more **** unfortunately.
Is having a good relationship with China a good or bad thing? Personally it seems like we need more international friends and China is a good one to have I would think.
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to your first line exactly, the more crap he talks the more he is going to get called out for that crap.

I thought they were the bad guys because of manufacturing and we needed to ditch them?
not sure why would want to be friendly with the last remaining major communist nation.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya, about that.
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and if you read up on it the early ones were mostly political.

the first jews mentioned in your link were 11,000 in 1938. there was certainly a start to the Holocaust, but I doubt 11k is enough to be considered a genocide to try and justify the US getting involved. also note those were 11k non-german Jews.

and the first mass murders weren't until 1941
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1941​

After the German invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, the Dachau concentration camp is used as an execution site for Soviet prisoners of war. The Gestapo “segregates” members of the Red Army they identify as or consider to be intellectuals, Jews, or Communist officials from the rest of the prisoners, before handing them over to be shot by the camp SS. The mass executions are first carried out in the bunker courtyard on the camp grounds and then moved to the SS shooting range at Hebertshausen. There the SS murder over 4,000 Soviet prisoners of war in 1941-42."

gas started in 1942, and the "final victory" really final solution was a 1943 thing.
 
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