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[Sea Ray]

I disagree, we would have been even less prepared and would have lost more while achieving less.

US military strength
1930: 140k
1935: 120k
1938: 180k
1940: 300k
1941: 1.4 million.

German military strength:
1930: 100k
1935: 500k
1938: 4.2 million
1940: 6 million
1941: 7 million

and we didn't know about the Jewish deaths because they didn't start mass murders until 1941, there is even less reason for us to be in it early. Concentration camps didn't start until late 1940.

So in your opinion we got in at the right time?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

? WTF are you talking about. You are constantly enhancing your dicklomatic presents. But you're right just look and countries flocking to their aid. Nothing again.

You're a funny guy.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

If we don’t have good relationship with China, Trump needs to do better.
If we have a good relationship with China, Trump is weak and pathetic.
For those complaining and saying tds doesn’t exist, this is the nth example that it’s truly a mental illness.

Who specifically in this forum has made those statements? Since you are so worried about what people say, you should be able to pop off some specific examples

 

[CobbVol]

 

[LouderVol]

So in your opinion we got in at the right time?

it made sense for us.

there are any number of wars we could pre-justify ourselves joining. Russia/Ukraine is a good example. North Korea got nukes and we didn't do anything. any number or India/Pakistan fights.

instead of constantly adjusting some arbitrary line, lets hold to a consistent standard.

Unless congress declares war I wouldn't get involved. If its not worth spending American lives on, then we shouldn't even risk it.

 

[Skooter]

Who specifically in this forum has made those statements? Since you are so worried about what people say, you should be able to pop off some specific examples

flavol had just posted about Trump and China prior to my post. An example of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
And you constantly talk about “worried bout what people say.” Tired act. Are you aware it’s a damn messageboard forum that consists of people posting and responses or are you oblivious to that as well as the fact you respond to posts as much or more than anybody on the board?
Rhetorical. Your state of oblivious is well known.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

flavol had just posted about Trump and China prior to my post. An example of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
And you constantly talk about “worried bout what people say.” Tired act. Are you aware it’s a damn messageboard forum that consists of people posting and responses or are you oblivious to that as well as the fact you respond to posts as much or more than anybody on the board?
Rhetorical. Your state of oblivious is well known.

You just made that fact up as you went there Pal. So no one has specifically made those statements? I already knew it anyway. There's a balance that FlaVol understands. It requires the use of nuance, which you either have no interest in or are unable to grasp it

 

[Skooter]

You just made that fact up as you went there Pal. So no one has specifically made those statements? I already knew it anyway. There's a balance that FlaVol understands. It requires the use of nuance, which you either have no interest in or are unable to grasp it

lol. He’s balanced?! And you being oblivious to the fact to some people, Trump can do no right, just as to others he can do know wrong, is not a surprise in the least.
Btw, why are you so worried about what I post?

 

[LouderVol]

flavol had just posted about Trump and China prior to my post. An example of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
And you constantly talk about “worried bout what people say.” Tired act. Are you aware it’s a damn messageboard forum that consists of people posting and responses or are you oblivious to that as well as the fact you respond to posts as much or more than anybody on the board?
Rhetorical. Your state of oblivious is well known.

Its not damned if you do damned if you don't. Its talk a big game and not back it up, and then get called out for flopping. most of the critiques on Trump are purely created by Trump.

Trump has been talking big and tough about China, so when he falls in the with the CCP party line, its going to raise comments.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

lol. He’s balanced?! And you being oblivious to the fact to some people, Trump can do no right, just as to others he can do know wrong, is not a surprise in the least.
Btw, why are you so worried about what I post?

You're a cool dude, man. I dig your posts in the BB and FB forums. With the substance you bring there, your posts here in this forum surprise me a bit.

 

[Skooter]

Its not damned if you do damned if you don't. Its talk a big game and not back it up, and then get called out for flopping. most of the critiques on Trump are purely created by Trump.

Trump has been talking big and tough about China, so when he falls in the with the CCP party line, its going to raise comments.

What politician talks a big game and backs it up. Trump just talks more **** unfortunately.
Is having a good relationship with China a good or bad thing? Personally it seems like we need more international friends and China is a good one to have I would think.

 

[Skooter]

You're a cool dude, man. I dig your posts in the BB and FB forums. With the substance you bring there, your posts here in this forum surprise me a bit.

I’m sure you’d be fine if each post of mine lined with how and what you think. Not happening.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I’m sure you’d be fine if each post of mine lined with how and what you think. Not happening.

No. That's not it. Not ideologically anyway. It's your binary mindset with many of these issues and very few, if any, are binary. Just like you asking about our relationship with China. On some issues, having a good relationship is important. On other issues we don't need a good relationship, but need to respect our differences on those. This current "deal" was required because of this poorly planned military operation on the part of the Trump administration

 

[Skooter]

Why so worried about what I post? And other posters for that matter.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Why so worried about what I post? And other posters for that matter.

I told you why.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Which allies are buying weapons from China?

China isn’t selling oil.

 

[Orangeburst]

There is the narrative again..MSM must of gotten their marching orders.

“The U.S. burned through Patriot missiles, Tomahawks, and THAAD interceptors defending Israel and the Gulf. China filled the gap.”

I dont know what China may or may not of sold, but this tweet implies cruise missiles and aerial interceptors, for a war that lasted 6 weeks. If China can ship multi billion Air Defense systems, and have the Gulf Ally forces trained on them in 6 weeks, that is as impressive as anything ever.

China has been providing Saudi Arabia with BMs since 1986, and recently drones.

China’s presence is growing in the Middle East, but it's not a security challenge to US — yet - Breaking Defense

“The Chinese currently have pure economic interests in the region, especially the oil, and are happy to see the US spend plenty of resources in ensuring the security of the region and the safety of its waterways that allow the flow of oil from the region and Chinese products to the Middle East,"...

breakingdefense.com

I dont recall the outrage when we gave Ukraine over 600 Pac-3 intercetors, which are the latest variant.

 

[Delmar]

If we don’t have good relationship with China, Trump needs to do better.
If we have a good relationship with China, Trump is weak and pathetic.
For those complaining and saying tds doesn’t exist, this is the nth example that it’s truly a mental illness.

TDS absolutely exists. Trump is a Dumbass Syndrome. That has also been proven an nth number of times.

 

[Skooter]

TDS absolutely exists. Trump is a Dumbass Syndrome. That has also been proven an nth number of times.

Yep. He is a dumbass quite often. And there are those who think about him 24/7 and wake up every morning and go to bed at night having obsessed throughout the day.
Both can be true. Seeing one and not the other just means one can’t see anything clearly.

 

[hog88]

There is the narrative again..MSM must of gotten their marching orders.

“The U.S. burned through Patriot missiles, Tomahawks, and THAAD interceptors defending Israel and the Gulf. China filled the gap.”

I dont know what China may or may not of sold, but this tweet implies cruise missiles and aerial interceptors, for a war that lasted 6 weeks. If China can ship multi billion Air Defense systems, and have the Gulf Ally forces trained on them in 6 weeks, that is as impressive as anything ever.

China has been providing Saudi Arabia with BMs since 1986, and recently drones.

China’s presence is growing in the Middle East, but it's not a security challenge to US — yet - Breaking Defense

“The Chinese currently have pure economic interests in the region, especially the oil, and are happy to see the US spend plenty of resources in ensuring the security of the region and the safety of its waterways that allow the flow of oil from the region and Chinese products to the Middle East,"...

breakingdefense.com

I dont recall the outrage when we gave Ukraine over 600 Pac-3 intercetors, which are the latest variant.

Yeah that tweet is millennial bait.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

TDS absolutely exists. Trump is a Dumbass Syndrome. That has also been proven an nth number of times.

It's a message board and there are literally two threads that are primarily about him. What are people supposed to post in them. Something other than Trump?

 

[General Jack]

That's simply not true. A majority of us disagree with the continued conflict, but we have clearly had the upper hand. How would you measure "winning a war?" Casualties? Objectives? Munitions destroyed? Air superiority?

The problem for many of us is the end game question. Most agree that Iran can't have nukes. Any reasonable person would agree that the Iranian regime is evil and should be replaced. The "how?" remains to be solved.

My hope is that the majority of Iranians that oppose the oppressive, tyrannical regime are able to consolidate and take back their country. I'm just not convinced that they have the firepower and resolve to do so. If they fail, the repurcussions would be unimaginable to us.

Trump Approval Rating Drops Below 36%—A New Low

Trump has a net -18.9 approval rating.

www.forbes.com

There is no end game, there never was - barring a land invasion and even trump isn't stupid enough to do that.

Prior to March 1 Iran didn't have nukes and they had a tyrannical regime. The difference between then and now? We've expended a tremendous amount of munitions, the Straight of Hormuz is closed and cost of living has increased.

The U.S. is Facing an Ammunition Shortage Due to the Iran War. Here’s What That Means

The Iran war has drained U.S. weapons stockpiles, experts warn, raising questions about readiness for a conflict with China

time.com

 

[General Jack]

Tell me how we are losing at anything right now. We are fixing to put China in their place. Did you see the gala that they laid out for the President yesterday. What happened when Obomber visited China? He was completely humiliated.
The Chinese and the world have been paying close attention to the events of the last year, and they are scared shiteless.
Xi is like WTF, let's be friends.

See above.

 

[KB5252]

Examples please.

China has increased it's diplomatic presence to become the world's largest diplomatic network, surpassing the United States. This expansion, focused on securing infrastructure deals, resources, and isolating Taiwan, is most evident in Africa, the Pacific Islands, Latin America, and the Middle East through increased embassy staff, consulates, and high-level bilateral partnerships.

Lowy Institute
+4
Key Regions and Countries with Increased Chinese Diplomatic Presence
Latin America & Caribbean: Following the switch of diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to Beijing, China has deepened ties with Panama, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Honduras.

Council on Foreign Relations
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Pacific Islands: Beijing has grown its footprint, recently evidenced by Nauru switching allegiance to China in 2024, alongside established partnerships in the region.

Lowy Institute
Middle East: China has adopted a more proactive, mediator role, particularly with Saudi Arabia and Iran, while increasing investments in the Gulf region.

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·Middle East Monitor
Africa: China maintains a higher number of diplomatic posts than the U.S. on the continent, with strong ties to Zambia, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, and Zimbabwe.

Lowy Institute
+1
Southeast Asia & Central Asia: Through the Belt and Road Initiative, China has enhanced, strong diplomatic and economic ties with Laos, Pakistan, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Tajikistan.

中华人民共和国驻美利坚合众国大使馆
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Key Drivers of Diplomatic Expansion
The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI): Massive infrastructure investments have spurred new diplomatic missions.
Isolating Taiwan: China has successfully wooed away several nations that formerly recognized Taiwan.
"Community of Shared Future": Elevated, high-level strategic partnerships have been established with countries like Pakistan, Kenya, and Serbia.

In other words China is making strategic investments and investments with emerging markets where ROI is multifaceted. They are doing what the US did at one time.

And we are currently helping to prop up traditional allies that don't appear to have sound plans for the future.

 

[hog88]

China has increased it's diplomatic presence to become the world's largest diplomatic network, surpassing the United States. This expansion, focused on securing infrastructure deals, resources, and isolating Taiwan, is most evident in Africa, the Pacific Islands, Latin America, and the Middle East through increased embassy staff, consulates, and high-level bilateral partnerships.

Lowy Institute
+4
Key Regions and Countries with Increased Chinese Diplomatic Presence
Latin America & Caribbean: Following the switch of diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to Beijing, China has deepened ties with Panama, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Honduras.

Council on Foreign Relations
+1
Pacific Islands: Beijing has grown its footprint, recently evidenced by Nauru switching allegiance to China in 2024, alongside established partnerships in the region.

Lowy Institute
Middle East: China has adopted a more proactive, mediator role, particularly with Saudi Arabia and Iran, while increasing investments in the Gulf region.

Facebook
·Middle East Monitor
Africa: China maintains a higher number of diplomatic posts than the U.S. on the continent, with strong ties to Zambia, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal, and Zimbabwe.

Lowy Institute
+1
Southeast Asia & Central Asia: Through the Belt and Road Initiative, China has enhanced, strong diplomatic and economic ties with Laos, Pakistan, Cambodia, Myanmar, and Tajikistan.

中华人民共和国驻美利坚合众国大使馆
+1
Key Drivers of Diplomatic Expansion
The Belt and Road Initiative (BRI): Massive infrastructure investments have spurred new diplomatic missions.
Isolating Taiwan: China has successfully wooed away several nations that formerly recognized Taiwan.
"Community of Shared Future": Elevated, high-level strategic partnerships have been established with countries like Pakistan, Kenya, and Serbia.

And all of this since the war started with Iran?

That was the discussion.