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[BeardedVol]

If Obama hadn't given billions of dollars of ammunition to Ukraine we would not have a shortage. Suddenly you're concerned about ammunition shortages?

What ammunition did 'Obama' give Ukraine that is worth "billions of dollars"?

Be specific.

 

[utvolpj]

If Obama hadn't given billions of dollars of ammunition to Ukraine we would not have a shortage. Suddenly you're concerned about ammunition shortages?

A decade ago and we can't recover? That's dumb even for you

 

[BeardedVol]

Did you even read the post you're quoting?

I don't think he even read the post I was responding to.

If he did, then he set a new record in 'reading comprehension failure'.

 

[trout-vol]

Did you even read the post you're quoting?

Yes, where am I wrong? Ohh. You think biden was in actually in charge? You must have been smoking a lot of weed during that time to think that Biden was actually in charge

 

[rikberry31]

I mean, Trump is not going to aid Taiwan in the event China decides to invade during his term anyway, so it's a bit moot anyway.

China couldn't invade and occupy Taiwan even if the U.S. stayed out. They don't have the capabilities. They could hit the with missiles and do great damage but not occupy.
Besides the U.S. would not let that happen, we get too much important stuff from the and for the time being we need them. With events in Venezuela and Iran, we could shut of China's oil tomorrow and they couldn't do a thing about it. They been watching carefully. The President's visit there is going to be quite interesting. The tables have turned in the past year for the Chinese.

 

[rikberry31]

My grandmother used to send me a little extra money for food when I was in college which I promptly spent on beer. Think she intended to directly fund my underage drinking habit?

Did you tell her?

 

[BeardedVol]

China couldn't invade and occupy Taiwan even if the U.S. stayed out. They don't have the capabilities. They could hit the with missiles and do great damage but not occupy.
Besides the U.S. would not let that happen, we get too much important stuff from the and for the time being we need them. With events in Venezuela and Iran, we could shut of China's oil tomorrow and they couldn't do a thing about it. They been watching carefully. The President's visit there is going to be quite interesting. The tables have turned in the past year for the Chinese.

What capabilities is China missing that are required to invade and occupy Taiwan?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Yes, where am I wrong? Ohh. You think biden was in actually in charge? You must have been smoking a lot of weed during that time to think that Biden was actually in charge

Buddy, I think you might be special needs.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Who wants to bet that trout and rik are "kin?"

 

[trout-vol]

Buddy, I think you might be special needs.

You actually think that Biden in charge and he knew what was going on? He knew exactly how much weapons was being given to Ukraine for those four years? Give me a break dude.

 

[Vol8188]

because American's don't want another forever war. trillions spent. lives lost. all to replace Al Qaeda Mullahs with Al Qaeda Mullahs.

its different this time, just wait.

Seems wild to compare a blockade to any of that.

 

[LouderVol]

Seems wild to compare a blockade to any of that.

we were only supposed to be in Afghanistan until we got Osama, how did that work out for us?

you really think its just going to be a blockade? no airstrikes on ground targets. No running ships thru the straight to try and open it? no other escalation? no trying to take out their leadership? No attempts to go after their supply of nuclear material.

 

[trout-vol]

we were only supposed to be in Afghanistan until we got Osama, how did that work out for us?

you really think its just going to be a blockade? no airstrikes on ground targets. No running ships thru the straight to try and open it? no other escalation? no trying to take out their leadership? No attempts to go after their supply of nuclear material.

I don't think we'll repeat Afghanistan. Trump knew it was a waste and that biden withdraw disaster was the cherry on top. Do you think if Harris won, would be have troops in Ukraine by now?

 

[rikberry31]

What capabilities is China missing that are required to invade and occupy Taiwan?

First it is 5 times further than the D-Day crossing.
They don't have the right equipment to make a successful landing even against WWII tech.
Any significant landing force launched against Taiwan would be immediately seen and responded to by us. The chances of it making it half way there are highly unlikely.
Taiwan is not a sitting duck. They are heavily defended.
The terrain of the beaches is a significant obstacle.
Taiwan is a highly urbanized island and occupation would require almost totally reduced to difficult door to door urban fighting. They have prepared extensively for guerrilla warfare.
The Chinese would fight at minimum Taiwan, the U.S. and Japan.
China would be losing a vital supply of hi-tech imports on which they are heavily dependant on.
Taiwan has been preparing for a Chinese attack for 80 years. The Germans had two years.

China will continue to saber rattle but they would much prefer a non military capitulation.

 

[rikberry31]

And Iraq when they were fighting Iran. We have no clue what we're doing from one moment to the next

Hardly a moment. You are talking about stuff that happened fifty years ago. We change administrations every four to eight years, which means constant changes in policy. You're talking like all this happened under the current administration.

 

[rikberry31]

Yes and then Bibi kept the funding coming. So I’m not sure where your problem with Pj’s comment is

The bottom line is neither Israel or the U.S. is directly funding any of those people. Don't talk to me about some stuff that was 50+ years ago.

 

[Smokey123]

The bottom line is neither Israel or the U.S. is directly funding any of those people. Don't talk to me about some stuff that was 50+ years ago.

Haha

 

[LouderVol]

I don't think we'll repeat Afghanistan. Trump knew it was a waste and that biden withdraw disaster was the cherry on top. Do you think if Harris won, would be have troops in Ukraine by now?

nope. I do think we would be in the same place with Iran. not because of Iran. but because of Israel.

 

[LouderVol]

The bottom line is neither Israel or the U.S. is directly funding any of those people. Don't talk to me about some stuff that was 50+ years ago.

something, something, 47 year forever war.

 

[BeardedVol]

First it is 5 times further than the D-Day crossing.

5 times farther than the D-day Crossing?

They don't have the right equipment to make a successful landing even against WWII tech.

Type 075 landing helicopter dock - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

PLA Navy landing barges - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zubr-class LCAC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Any significant landing force launched against Taiwan would be immediately seen and responded to by us. The chances of it making it half way there are highly unlikely.

Crossing the Taiwan strait would take roughly 6 hours, the closest US carrier group is Yokosuka, Japan, or patrolling the Philippine Sea.

Taiwan is not a sitting duck. They are heavily defended.

As well China knows.

The terrain of the beaches is a significant obstacle.

See Chinese amphibious assault ships above

Taiwan is a highly urbanized island and occupation would require almost totally reduced to difficult door to door urban fighting. They have prepared extensively for guerrilla warfare.

Taiwan only has 160,000 full time military personnel across all branches, and conscripts who server a mandatory 1-year of service. Furthermore, Taiwan hasn't participated in any significant military engagement since the end of the Chinese civil war.

The Chinese would fight at minimum Taiwan, the U.S. and Japan.

The Trump administration would not for sure aid Taiwan.

Taiwan’s omission from Trump’s new defence strategy raises alarm in Taipei

Document asks allies to take primary responsibility for their own defence with ‘more limited support’ from American forces

www.independent.co.uk

China would be losing a vital supply of hi-tech imports on which they are heavily dependant on.
Taiwan has been preparing for a Chinese attack for 80 years. The Germans had two years.

China will continue to saber rattle but they would much prefer a non military capitulation.

China has spent years stealing technology and coercing talent from Taiwan, gaining control of the island, would make forced transfer of technology a viable option.

China intensifies efforts to poach semiconductor talent from Taiwan, claims report — international restrictions motivate illicit efforts to obtain talent and equipment

Taiwan's National Security Bureau claims that China is intensifying efforts to steal semiconductor process technologies and other chip-related know-how from Taiwan as international restrictions get mo...

www.yahoo.com

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Hardly a moment. You are talking about stuff that happened fifty years ago. We change administrations every four to eight years, which means constant changes in policy. You're talking like all this happened under the current administration.

This administration has eased sanctions on Russia so they could make money from their oil at the same as they were providing targeting intelligence to Iran. This administration is far and away more chaotic than any other in my lifetime. It's a CF created by unqualified, incompetent and inexperienced administrators. The lack of forward thinking and proactive planning is absurd

 

[rikberry31]

A decade ago and we can't recover? That's dumb even for you

Y'all Doomers are bring up junk that happened 70 years ago.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Y'all Doomers are bring up junk that happened 70 years ago.

I thought it was 50?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I thought it was 50?

What they hell did this thread turn into? I am so confused

 

[rikberry31]

5 times farther than the D-day Crossing?
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Type 075 landing helicopter dock - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

PLA Navy landing barges - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zubr-class LCAC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Crossing the Taiwan strait would take roughly 6 hours, the closest US carrier group is Yokosuka, Japan, or patrolling the Philippine Sea.

As well China knows.

See Chinese amphibious assault ships above

Taiwan only has 160,000 full time military personnel across all branches, and conscripts who server a mandatory 1-year of service. Furthermore, Taiwan hasn't participated in any significant military engagement since the end of the Chinese civil war.

The Trump administration would not for sure aid Taiwan.

Taiwan’s omission from Trump’s new defence strategy raises alarm in Taipei

Document asks allies to take primary responsibility for their own defence with ‘more limited support’ from American forces

www.independent.co.uk

China has spent years stealing technology and coercing talent from Taiwan, gaining control of the island, would make forced transfer of technology a viable option.

China intensifies efforts to poach semiconductor talent from Taiwan, claims report — international restrictions motivate illicit efforts to obtain talent and equipment

Taiwan's National Security Bureau claims that China is intensifying efforts to steal semiconductor process technologies and other chip-related know-how from Taiwan as international restrictions get mo...

www.yahoo.com

Invading Taiwan by sea or air would be a nightmare and a blood bath. Holding it would much the same.
China could wipe Taiwan off the map but that would defeat their purpose, they want their tech. And the Chinese know that would mean the end of them too.
But the biggest reason that won't do it is because we make things really ugly for them and they know it. We control the choke points now.