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utvolpj said:
Sure, except they were explicitly pushed by Israel. They wanted the leaders out and we did the work. None were a threat to the US

Netanyahu said to Congress that Iraq (which has absolutely zero to do with terrorism) would have enormous positive effects in the region. He was also pushing it because Saddam was going for a nuke and that can't be allowed. Sound familiar? He's been pushing for taking on Iran for decades as well. This has all been in the works for decades
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Does Benghazi ring a bell? Where Hillary let our people be killed. How about ISIS? 9/11? All three were attacked for similar reasons we are in Iran today, fighting terrorists which are indeed a threat to U.S. security. Even Obomber knew that.
Newsflash: Not everything is Israel's fault, just maybe it is the fault of terrorist regimes. I know it is crazy but think about it.
 
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LouderVol said:
Iran has not be a forever war.

heck you guys were even denying it was a war to start, and definitely didn't claim the strikes in 2025 as part of any forever war.

yall just made up that argument because trump said it and all you can do is parrot him.

you just need to go ahead and accept that Trump is replacing the deal Iran made with Obama with pretty much the exact same one, but with Iran getting even more money just so Trump can claim its the biggest deal ever.
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Listen buddy, you have no clue. I never said this wasn't a war, just as I said the same of Korea and Vietnam, semantics are for the politicians. I was for Reagan going into Iran in 1980, before you were born. I would have supported any President who had the balls to do it, even Braindead Biden.
The Obomber "deal" did not included complete destruction and the dismantling of the Iranian military and islamic regime. They got no deal to make. It is over and only the Truth Deniers and the regime don't accept that.
The Iranian regime can make any deal they want and it doesn't matter, they might as well wipe their azz with it.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Does Benghazi ring a bell? Where Hillary let our people be killed. How about ISIS? 9/11? All three were attacked for similar reasons we are in Iran today, fighting terrorists which are indeed a threat to U.S. security. Even Obomber knew that.
Newsflash: Not everything is Israel's fault, just maybe it is the fault of terrorist regimes. I know it is crazy but think about it.
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Its funny that you don't realize why this is correct.

just like with Benghazi we were running weapons for those regions/groups, destabilized them, and that ended up getting Americans killed.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Does Benghazi ring a bell? Where Hillary let our people be killed. How about ISIS? 9/11? All three were attacked for similar reasons we are in Iran today, fighting terrorists which are indeed a threat to U.S. security. Even Obomber knew that.
Newsflash: Not everything is Israel's fault, just maybe it is the fault of terrorist regimes. I know it is crazy but think about it.
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Benghazi was an op gone wrong and she knew it. Nothing to do with the wider war. ISIS came from the moderate rebels we supported to fight in Syria. 911 was executed by Saudis because of our involvement in the ME. The retaliation should have been completed by Xmas but Haliburton and Cheney had other ideas.

Again, you're ignoring the stated goals and benefits of these things happening. Why did we think Iraq would be easy? Who has said for years that Iran needs to be taken out?

The USA is supporting Israel (who pumps up Hamas), AQ, ISIS and the Taliban in different parts of the region. How does that ever end as a net positive? It's insane and ignorant foreign policy.
 
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utvolpj said:
was executed by Saudis because of our involvement in the ME.
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🐂 💩 , 9/11 was Al-Qaeda who were enemies of KSA. Osama had his Saudi Arabian citizenship revoked. They operated out of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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The USA is supporting Israel (who pumps up Hamas), AQ, ISIS and the Taliban in different parts of the region. How does that ever end as a net positive? It's insane and ignorant foreign policy.
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What do you mean by "Israel (who pumps up Hamas), AQ, ISIS and the Taliban?"

Please tell me you are not saying that Israel backs these people?
 
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rikberry31 said:
🐂 💩 , 9/11 was Al-Qaeda who were enemies of KSA. Osama had his Saudi Arabian citizenship revoked. They operated out of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What do you mean by "Israel (who pumps up Hamas), AQ, ISIS and the Taliban?"

Please tell me you are not saying that Israel backs these people?
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Netanyahu has admitted Israel funds Hamas. The others are directly supported by the US govt
 
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rikberry31 said:
🐂 💩 , 9/11 was Al-Qaeda who were enemies of KSA. Osama had his Saudi Arabian citizenship revoked. They operated out of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What do you mean by "Israel (who pumps up Hamas), AQ, ISIS and the Taliban?"

Please tell me you are not saying that Israel backs these people?
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Israel helped create Hamas and Bibi helped them stay in power and funded them….
 
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rikberry31 said:
🐂 💩 , 9/11 was Al-Qaeda who were enemies of KSA. Osama had his Saudi Arabian citizenship revoked. They operated out of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What do you mean by "Israel (who pumps up Hamas), AQ, ISIS and the Taliban?"

Please tell me you are not saying that Israel backs these people?
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Al-Qaeda funded 9/11, but it was the Saudis who carried out the plan. We absolutely funded the Taliban before that. We've sold arms to Iran.
 
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utvolpj said:
Netanyahu has admitted Israel funds Hamas. The others are directly supported by the US govt
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All of those are designated terror organizations. We helped the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians, that was over forty years ago,
The only support they get from us is diverted (stolen) humanitarian aid, which I don't think we should be doing that. I guess you could count all the equipment Biden left in Afghanistan as aiding the enemy. Other than that, saying the U.S. funds these people is 🐂 💩.
 
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rikberry31 said:
All of those are designated terror organizations. We helped the Taliban when they were fighting the Russians, that was over forty years ago,
The only support they get from us is diverted (stolen) humanitarian aid, which I don't think we should be doing that. I guess you could count all the equipment Biden left in Afghanistan as aiding the enemy. Other than that, saying the U.S. funds these people is 🐂 💩.
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Wow, you really don't pay much attention. We've been sending the Taliban tens of millions weekly. The US supports the opponent of whoever they're fighting at the time/place. That absolutely includes ISIS or AQ depending on the country. It includes the binladenites as well which is wild
 
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Smokey123 said:
Israel helped create Hamas and Bibi helped them stay in power and funded them….
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"Following the 1967 occupation of Gaza, Israel, particularly under military rule, perceived the secular PLO (led by Yasser Arafat) as its primary enemy. They viewed the Islamists under Yassin as a non-threatening, social, and religious alternative."

First that was sixty years ago. They f'd up. You could say we created the Nazis in Germany and the Fascists in Italy. Hitler and Mussolini learned a lot from the World's first fascist dictator, Woodrow Wilson.

"Israeli authorities facilitated the registration of Yassin's Islamist group in 1978 and allowed the development of mosques, schools, and charities"

History is rife with examples of countries turning on the initial benefactors. The U.S.A. is one example.
 
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utvolpj said:
Wow, you really don't pay much attention. We've been sending the Taliban tens of millions weekly. The US supports the opponent of whoever they're fighting at the time/place. That absolutely includes ISIS or AQ depending on the country. It includes the binladenites as well which is wild
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Show me an example of the U.S. directly funding the Taliban. I already said we sent humanitarian aid that gets stolen. I don't agree with sending humanitarian aid at all. Screw countries that willingly harbor terrorists.
 
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rikberry31 said:
"Following the 1967 occupation of Gaza, Israel, particularly under military rule, perceived the secular PLO (led by Yasser Arafat) as its primary enemy. They viewed the Islamists under Yassin as a non-threatening, social, and religious alternative."

First that was sixty years ago. They f'd up. You could say we created the Nazis in Germany and the Fascists in Italy. Hitler and Mussolini learned a lot from the World's first fascist dictator, Woodrow Wilson.

"Israeli authorities facilitated the registration of Yassin's Islamist group in 1978 and allowed the development of mosques, schools, and charities"

History is rife with examples of countries turning on the initial benefactors. The U.S.A. is one example.
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Yes and then Bibi kept the funding coming. So I’m not sure where your problem with Pj’s comment is
 
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BeardedVol said:
I mean, Trump is not going to aid Taiwan in the event China decides to invade during his term anyway, so it's a bit moot anyway.
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If Obama hadn't given billions of dollars of ammunition to Ukraine we would not have a shortage. Suddenly you're concerned about ammunition shortages?
 
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rikberry31 said:
Show me an example of the U.S. directly funding the Taliban. I already said we sent humanitarian aid that gets stolen. I don't agree with sending humanitarian aid at all. Screw countries that willingly harbor terrorists.
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My grandmother used to send me a little extra money for food when I was in college which I promptly spent on beer. Think she intended to directly fund my underage drinking habit?
 
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