Iran

[BernardKingGOAT]

I wonder how you look at something so successful and determine that it’s a failure. I realize I’m debating a NYC liberal who is probably a socialist but even your hero’s loved a good ass whipping. Sad to see Americans who are determined to root for what our forefathers fought for to fail. Un American-Jane Fonda stuff.

Trump is doing nothing remotely close to the intentions of our founders. Being a Trump first guy isn't the same as being America first. Huge difference

 

[Smokey123]

Again not everything. That was at the height of the Cold War with the Soviet Union. Mosaddegh and his party were getting closer to Moscow and we were not going to allow that to happen under any circumstances.

Nope. The US didn’t even initiate it. It was UK directly over oil, they had to beg us to help

 

[CobbVol]

He and Moscow were ideologically opposed. He wasn't teaming with them.

That is wrong. Read this while I am away from my computer this afternoon

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/iran521120.pdf

 

[CobbVol]

Nope. The US didn’t even initiate it. It was UK directly over oil, they had to beg us to help

Yes, British over oil, the US over the communism threat.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/iran521120.pdf

 

[85SugarVol]

Maybe those ships can do that effectively. As much as they cost it would be good if they could serve a purpose.

Yea, I know at least Canberra has some sort of minesweeper module that can be deployed. Pretty sure there’s another LCS outfitted with the same package.

 

[Smokey123]

Yes, British over oil, the US over the communism threat.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/iran521120.pdf

That literally says the coup may make it more likely for communists to come into power in Iran

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[MontyPython]

Trump:

"We will stop the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks, subject to Iran agreeing to the complete, immediate and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz."

Iran:

 

[Volbucky]

Point proven. You’re not a genuine person.

The guy is a clown with zero logic. Just reads his algorithm approved posts and regurgitates it on here.

 

[MontyPython]

Yes

By your logic... Iran, 1953:

Eliminating a democracy + Installing a dictator = Fighting communism

 

[Vol8188]

Why would we involve ourselves in a foreign countries affairs bc their leader dissolved Congress? Why would we involve ourselves in other countries bc a different foreign country private business had assets seized? Sounds like we did a ton of dumb shat that helped create this mess

The dumb shat was pulling out rather than getting involved.

 

[Vol8188]

We were fighting communism then and now.
We have been the world's police for over 80 years. World is much better with us in this role and not Russia and/or China.
In 1945 there were around 10 countries that were democracies - today around 100.
The libertarian non-aggression principle does not work when taken off the white board and into the actual world.

Part of the problem with the libertarian/isolationist viewpoint is it often attempts to wrongly paint all people/cultures as being the same and wanting the same things

 

[tim]

Trump is doing nothing remotely close to the intentions of our founders. Being a Trump first guy isn't the same as being America first. Huge difference

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

Thomas Jefferson wasn’t a founding father?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Iran has threatened to attack US Navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz, just after American warships passed through the strategic waterway for the first time since the war began.

Two American destroyers passed through the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday for the first time in six weeks without incident, according to The Wall Street Journal.

But Tehran has since warned Pakistani mediators that if the vessel continues to move, 'it will be targeted within 30 minutes, and the Iranian-American negotiations will suffer,' Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Khabar Network told Fars News Agency.

The threat of near-immediate retaliation came just after reports revealed that multiple US ships crossed the strait in a bold move that 'was not coordinated with Iran.'

USS Frank E. Peterson (DDG 121) and USS Michael Murphy (DDG 112) transited the Strait of Hormuz as part of a US Navy operation - not escorting commercial ships - in what was described as a freedom-of-navigation mission.

Forces under US Central Command (CENTCOM) also announced that they had begun setting conditions to clear mines in the Strait of Hormuz previously laid by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Cooper also revealed that additional US forces, including underwater drones, will join the clearance effort in the coming days.


The destroyers (stock image) were not escorting commercial ships. Their appearance in the Strait comes as peace talks begin in Pakistan between the US and Iran

Iran threatens to ATTACK US warships in Strait of Hormuz

The threat of near-immediate retaliation came just after reports revealed that multiple US ships crossed the strait in a bold move that 'was not coordinated with Iran.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Iran has threatened to attack US Navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz, just after American warships passed through the strategic waterway for the first time since the war began.

Two American destroyers passed through the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday for the first time in six weeks without incident, according to The Wall Street Journal.

But Tehran has since warned Pakistani mediators that if the vessel continues to move, 'it will be targeted within 30 minutes, and the Iranian-American negotiations will suffer,' Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Khabar Network told Fars News Agency.

The threat of near-immediate retaliation came just after reports revealed that multiple US ships crossed the strait in a bold move that 'was not coordinated with Iran.'

USS Frank E. Peterson (DDG 121) and USS Michael Murphy (DDG 112) transited the Strait of Hormuz as part of a US Navy operation - not escorting commercial ships - in what was described as a freedom-of-navigation mission.

Forces under US Central Command (CENTCOM) also announced that they had begun setting conditions to clear mines in the Strait of Hormuz previously laid by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Cooper also revealed that additional US forces, including underwater drones, will join the clearance effort in the coming days.

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The destroyers (stock image) were not escorting commercial ships. Their appearance in the Strait comes as peace talks begin in Pakistan between the US and Iran

Iran threatens to ATTACK US warships in Strait of Hormuz

The threat of near-immediate retaliation came just after reports revealed that multiple US ships crossed the strait in a bold move that 'was not coordinated with Iran.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

What's up with that? Does Iran want to see their country turned into ash?

 

[Smokey123]

The guy is a clown with zero logic. Just reads his algorithm approved posts and regurgitates it on here.

Ironic considering he was responding to two people saying “this was the greatest military campaign in history”

 

[Volbucky]

Ironic considering he was responding to two people saying “this was the greatest military campaign in history”

He regurgitates liberal nonsense in the form of random links, posts and then acts astonished when people call out the ignorance. It is ironic considering it’s what he usually does

 

[Carl Pickens]

Will the Brits have the balls to deploy their minesweepers if the mullahs promise not to shoot at them?

Doubtful…. They’ll be afraid of their Muslim population’s backlash

 

[rekinhavoc]

What's up with that? Does Iran want to see their country turned into ash?

The regime has no choice. They won't quit. If the people rise up they're dead. The internet outage is to keep the Iranian people from finding out they are getting their azzes handed to them.

 

[tim]

The regime has no choice. They won't quit. If the people rise up they're dead. The internet outage is to keep the Iranian people from finding out they are getting their azzes handed to them.

And the regime doesn’t care about their people getting killed

 

[NashVol11]

The guy is a clown with zero logic. Just reads his algorithm approved posts and regurgitates it on here.

Very funny considering that I was responding to someone doing exactly that, and now you who thought Trump supporters were a "majority"

 

[NashVol11]

He regurgitates liberal nonsense in the form of random links, posts and then acts astonished when people call out the ignorance. It is ironic considering it’s what he usually does

Who "called out the ignorance" and what point did they make? Last I saw you was when you didn't know the meaning of "minority" because Fox News told you everyone's a Trumper

 

[Orangeburst]

Yes

Yes, U.S. support for Iran—particularly the 1953 coup against Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and subsequent backing of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi—was driven by Cold War, anti-communist logic. The U.S. feared that instability under Mosaddegh would allow the Soviet Union to take over, aiming to secure Iran as a pro-Western ally and secure oil resources.
Office of the Historian (.gov) +4
Key details regarding U.S. support for Iran:

• The 1953 Coup: The CIA (Operation Ajax) helped topple democratically elected Prime Minister Mosaddegh, who had nationalized the British-controlled oil industry, fearing he was aligning with the communist sphere.

 

[CobbVol]

That literally says the coup may make it more likely for communists to come into power in Iran

It literally says on page 2, item 4, first sentence that the primary objective for the US is to keep Iran from going under communist control.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Yes, U.S. support for Iran—particularly the 1953 coup against Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and subsequent backing of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi—was driven by Cold War, anti-communist logic. The U.S. feared that instability under Mosaddegh would allow the Soviet Union to take over, aiming to secure Iran as a pro-Western ally and secure oil resources.
View attachment 825710Office of the Historian (.gov) +4
Key details regarding U.S. support for Iran:

• The 1953 Coup: The CIA (Operation Ajax) helped topple democratically elected Prime Minister Mosaddegh, who had nationalized the British-controlled oil industry, fearing he was aligning with the communist sphere.

Right idea, wrong execution....typical CIA