Iran

[Carl Pickens]

Imagine that…..

 

[MontyPython]

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[volfanhill]

Operation midnight hammer destroyed Irans nuclear capability but we have to go to war with Iran to stop them from getting nukes.

 

[MontyPython]

I’ve been busy all day helping a buddy on his rental house repair then working on my boat. What’d I miss?

Iran war over.

We're now attacking Greenland.

Also, gas $75.00/gallon.

 

[NashVol11]

That is fair. The think the speaker may have included Lebanon to apply pressure to Israel, same as I think Israeli pressure (by virtue of their commitment to act) got us involved.

There seems to be two 10-point plans. One the media got with Iran probably knowing exactly what they are doing with it. Propaganda 101 that Iran has been doing forever. The other is what seems to be discussed between the parties.

The 10 points being circulated aren't new, though. They came out weeks ago to little fanfare and always included Lebanon. Iran's expectations seem aligned with those 10 points. The only people suggesting there's "another version" are us, and we have an obvious CYA reason to do that

 

[NashVol11]

I never got a chance to tell him I am also an Arsenal fan.

Same here. Unless I'm getting confused, MAD was also one of the nicest posters on the forum as a passionate Lions fan. In part because of that I wanted them to do well, but then relations with him really went left over the last couple of years

 

[NashVol11]

Said differently, we're willing to throw away an off-ramp that would benefit Americans in order to make sure Israel can keep bombing Lebanon, which doesn't benefit Americans at all

 

[volfanhill]

MAD accused many who disagreed with this war as antismeites

MAD was perfectly fine with people losing their job if they didn't take the Covid vaccine

 

[hog88]

The nation has fought so many wars on Israel's behalf.. and for what exactly? Same strategic back room deal that promises to better American's lives?

When in fact Iran has been "2 weeks away" from nukes for the past 30 years. Israel's prime minister is laughing at the politicians here.

I understand being a strategic partner in the middle east. But their people have free healthcare. An excellent military (Until recently). All at the cost of American tax payers.

How many wars have we fought on behalf of Israel?

 

[85SugarVol]

Same here. Unless I'm getting confused, MAD was also one of the nicest posters on the forum as a passionate Lions fan. In part because of that I wanted them to do well, but then relations with him really went left over the last couple of years

Mad was an absolute tyrannical terror during Covid.

 

[NashVol11]

MAD accused many who disagreed with this war as antismeites

MAD was perfectly fine with people losing their job if they didn't take the Covid vaccine

But yea a heck of a good guy

No, I agree. He seemed nice years ago, and "went left" was a nice way of saying he did not seem very much like that at all recently

 

[NashVol11]

Mad was an absolute tyrannical terror during Covid.

Fair, I mostly stayed out of the COVID and vaccine threads so I'm uninformed

 

[85SugarVol]

Fair, I mostly stayed out of the COVID and vaccine threads so I'm uninformed

He would have been among the first to turn in those that needed to be “quarantined against their will” in “detention facilities”.

Which is just an incredibly sad, sad irony.

 

[volfanhill]

No, I agree. He seemed nice years ago, and "went left" was a nice way of saying he did not seem very much like that at all recently

My last sentence was sarcasm. My only real interactions have been here and on the Covid thread. In fairness I was a huge D to him in the Covid thread. Probably more than I should have been

 

[NashVol11]

My last sentence was sarcasm.

I know it was, and I agree with your sarcasm. I was just mentioning my first impression in part to find something nice to say, and in part because encountering Politics Forum MAD after only seeing Football Forum MAD was pretty jarring

 

[Persian Vol]

How much if at all do you think US and other countries' antagonism toward the regime helps or hurts a) their ability to maintain power and b) political opposition to the regime?

When they kill their leaders, it hurts the regime. When they put them in an existential crisis and they test their limits such as closing the strait of Hormuz successfully, it helps the regime.

 

[EasternVol]

The ceasefire was not approved by Israel and Bibi wanted to continue the strikes, so your argument is worthless.

That's most likely true except for the last clause, but you know the official word out of Israel is that they were fully on board with the ceasefire. I guess there's no fun for some folks in bombing a city when there's no ceasefire.

 

[EasternVol]

More "winning hearts and minds" silliness. It didn't work in Vietnam and it didn't work in Iraq, so of course we tried it again in Afghanistan.

In Vietnam it was pretty much lip service and was more than countered by our propensity to lose hearts and minds through wanton destruction. Did we seriously even try it in Iraq?

I expressed a similar sentiment recently. You can't win hearts and minds while the populace is still under the heel or in fear of an oppressive regime.

Repeatedly bombing wedding parties and such gatherings makes it difficult too.

 

[EasternVol]

That is fair. The think the speaker may have included Lebanon to apply pressure to Israel, same as I think Israeli pressure (by virtue of their commitment to act) got us involved.

I doubt Israel would have agreed to cease fire with Lebanon, for no other reason than that doesn’t sound to me like what they would do.

The speaker works for the moderator / host of the negotiations. It's not their role to put pressure on one side or another.

 

[NashVol11]

 

[85SugarVol]

Something… about the devil you know.,. Something…

 

[Smokey123]

How many wars have we fought on behalf of Israel?

All of them?

 

[85SugarVol]

All of them?

I’ll never forgive em for roping us into 1812.

 

[volfanhill]

All of them?

That's dumb

 

[VAVol85]

Interesting article on the attacks on Irans repression infrastructure.

Iran International

www.iranintl.com