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volfanhill said:
It's what happens when people realize the most powerful man on earth is driven by self interest and vanity. He had Bibi and Graham telling him he could do what so many have failed out and bring peace to the Middle East. His vanity latched on. And with his pride I have zero confidence he will swallow his pride and back down
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It’s also what happens when you elect green weenies that destroy a proven energy supply in favor of unreliable renewables.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you intentionally misunderstand everything that’s stated, then yes.
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whats the misunderstanding?

you think we are taking out their ability to rearm for the foreseable future. very vague timeline, but lets roll with it.

a few months ago we "OBLITERATED" Irans nuclear capabilities, but here we were again fighting Iran because they were "days away" from having nukes.

seems like Iran has a superhuman ability to replace what we destroy, very rapidly.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Replacing Ayatollah Khamenei with younger and more radical Ayatollah Khamenei. Regime change
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You mean the Cardboard Ayatollah? He can be as radical as he wants on life support or in a cave somewhere. If he was a legitimate problem he would be taken out. Make no mistake the IRGC is in control and we need to wipe them out. Your "I hate America" crowd will disagree with that.
On another note, did you support the U.S. support for Ukraine?
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I wonder what NATO obligations would be if Russian drones attacked US troops in a foreign land.
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none. US arms have been used against Russia in Russia. nothing comes of it.

its not like this is the first time the US and Russia have supported the opponent of the other in a conflict. See Vietnam and Afghanistan.
 
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LouderVol said:
whats the misunderstanding?

you think we are taking out their ability to rearm for the foreseable future. very vague timeline, but lets roll with it.

a few months ago we "OBLITERATED" Irans nuclear capabilities, but here we were again fighting Iran because they were "days away" from having nukes.

seems like Iran has a superhuman ability to replace what we destroy, very rapidly.
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What’s being said and your strawman aren’t the same. When they say Iran could produce a weapon in X days, you’re ignorantly claiming “they said that years ago” and pretending that’s proof they’re misleading you.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting the claim.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What’s being said and your strawman aren’t the same. When they say Iran could produce a weapon in X days, you’re ignorantly claiming “they said that years ago” and pretending that’s proof they’re misleading you.

You’re intentionally misrepresenting the claim.
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what do you mean "years ago"? The attack on Iran's nuclear infrastructure was last year.

www.timesofisrael.com

Mossad says Iran 15 days from bomb, US agencies still say up to a year – report

CIA director cited saying Tehran 'very close' to nuclear weapons; US officials tell NY Times assassination of Khamenei, US strike on Fordo could prompt breakout to bomb
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

and in this situation someone must have been lying.

Either our side was lying back then about Iran being able to make nukes in days, we were lying about taking it out, or they are lying about Iran's capability to make nukes for this latest round.

at least one of those have to be a lie, and thus would be proof of them misleading all of us.

I bet you still buy Bush's WMD argument.
 
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LouderVol said:
what do you mean "years ago"? The attack on Iran's nuclear infrastructure was last year.

www.timesofisrael.com

Mossad says Iran 15 days from bomb, US agencies still say up to a year – report

CIA director cited saying Tehran 'very close' to nuclear weapons; US officials tell NY Times assassination of Khamenei, US strike on Fordo could prompt breakout to bomb
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com

and in this situation someone must have been lying.

Either our side was lying back then about Iran being able to make nukes in days, we were lying about taking it out, or they are lying about Iran's capability to make nukes for this latest round.
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No they weren’t. It’s only a lie if you intentionally misunderstand what was being said.

LouderVol said:
at least one of those have to be a lie, and thus would be proof of them misleading all of us.

I bet you still buy Bush's WMD argument.
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LouderVol said:
you have got to get specific. I listed three things they told us, and you answered with a singular.
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I’m not really sure how you’re missing this. The statement was that Iran “could” have a weapon in 15 days. You’re intentionally misrepresenting that as Iran “would”.

It would be like if Trump said “we could take Cuba tonight if we wanted” and then you wake up in the morning and claim “TACO! He lies about everything!”
 
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Op-ed in NY Times:

The War Is Going Better Than You Think​


Still, if past generations could see how well this war has gone compared with the ones they were compelled to fight at a frightening cost, they would marvel at their posterity’s comparative good fortune. They would marvel, too, at our inability to appreciate the advantages we now possess.
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www.nytimes.com
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m not really sure how you’re missing this. The statement was that Iran “could” have a weapon in 15 days. You’re intentionally misrepresenting that as Iran “would”.

It would be like if Trump said “we could take Cuba tonight if we wanted” and then you wake up in the morning and claim “TACO! He lies about everything!”
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What is stopping us from saying they "could" again 9 months from now, similar to the time period between June 2025 and March 2026?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m not really sure how you’re missing this. The statement was that Iran “could” have a weapon in 15 days. You’re intentionally misrepresenting that as Iran “would”.

It would be like if Trump said “we could take Cuba tonight if we wanted” and then you wake up in the morning and claim “TACO! He lies about everything!”
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you realize we are actually bombing Iran more or less right now. this "could" actually developed into Israel and the US taking direct military actions. so clearly someone in this admin bought what you claim is an outright lie.
 
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NashVol11 said:
What is stopping us from saying they "could" again 9 months from now, similar to the time period between June 2025 and March 2026?
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One of the key points of negotiation is ending all enrichment and turning over their current stockpile
 
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LouderVol said:
you realize we are actually bombing Iran more or less right now. this "could" actually developed into Israel and the US taking direct military actions. so clearly someone in this admin bought what you claim is an outright lie.
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So your plan is to just shift to a different topic after realizing you were wrong about the first?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So your plan is to just shift to a different topic after realizing you were wrong about the first?
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what different topic?

what started this whole conversation was me pointing out the similarities in us taking out Irans nukes last year, and needing to follow up again this year with even more attacks.

I don't see what you think attacking their conventional weapon infrastructure would settle anything in the long term? if they were able to rebuild their nuclear capacity, they will rebuild their conventional systems even faster.
 
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