Iran

The R stands for Republican as in the party not conservative. One thing that Trump has done is that he remade the Republican party. It is now a blue collar common sense party. You're right he is not a conservative or an ideologue, his a pragmatic businessman with common sense and he has remade the Republican party into that. He has co-opted ever common sense position and forced the Democrat to take the radical looney tune position on all of them. He has used other people hatred of him to his own advantage. If he said he was against torturing and killing puppies, the people would advocate for it.
In all practicality Trump destroyed the Democrat party and given the Republicans a makeover. He defeated both sides at the same time.
I'd offer you may be too far in. Trump is paving the way at the present moment for the GOP to suffer irreparable damage. Of late, he has abandoned most of his campaign promises. He has time to correct it. But, it's not looking likely. He's turned his back on too much domestic need to go and bomb Iran without an end game. The oppressed Iranian citizens have yet to rise up and re-take their country, and likely won't. They've been conditioned and programmed for too long. It ain't going like he thought it would. My 3rd vote is not panning out as well as my first vote. Like I said in another post. He's great at moving on to the next shiny object and starting potentially beneficial projects. But, he no longer finishes any of them. I'm not anti Trump, but I am not blind either.

edit: The balancing act is that those lefty weirdos are on a equal or faster pace of self destruction than those rightie weirdos. The end result is only affected by who goes to the polls on any given day. But, that only affects the affiliation letter at the end of the name. And it has worked in the past because what was once considered liberal or conservative were not worlds too far apart so there was true balance and not much damage. That does not exist any longer. When you are trying to balance the extremes that the lies (all party lies, not just one) have thrust upon us, there's no true way to balance. Consider this, a nominal portion of Clintons democrats, what 25ish years ago, are easily republicans today. That is a huge and detrimental shift in a "liberal" party too far left for their own good.
 
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They’re brainwashed to think if someone doesn’t agree with their lord and savior Donald Trump then they’re a liberal. Agree with him or you’re the enemy. It’s weak and pathetic
That boat floats both ways and is also the lib tactic. See it in here every day with the MAGA this and Racist that. Only two words some in here even know.
 
That has always been the problem with the notion of regime change when it came to Iran.

This isn't a situation where the underlying problem is a corrupt government of a dozen people. Iran is both populated by and governed by Islamic extremists. Even if you go after the leadership, you don't have Islamic clerics suddenly turn nice to everyone else.

No matter how many of the Iranian leaders the US and Israel manage to kill off, the millions who hate us (and maybe moreso after this) are still there and there are thousands of "next man up" leaders to take their place.

Even if we degrade their traditional military capabilities, we leave behind the millions of extremists who aren't changing their way of life because we open the way for some McDonalds' franchisees to move in to moderate neighborhoods.
80% of Iranians support regime change. We should be able to accomplish something with numbers like that. Hell, we had far more than 20% supporting King George when we fought the Revolutionary War
 
That boat has had numerous plumbing and systems problems since it was launched. No need to get all giddy and celebrate, it wasn't hit by enemy fire.
F you Hogg. I'm no Iranian sympathizer.

Truth matters to me. And our best aircraft carrier leaving the battle because it can't wash clothes... does that make sense to you, partner?
 
80% of Iranians support regime change. We should be able to accomplish something with numbers like that. Hell, we had far more than 20% supporting King George when we fought the Revolutionary War
Problem is that 80% is complacent and doing nothing to take advantage of the cards that were dealt.
 
Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone.

Do you really think we've been lily white all these years? We shot down an Iranian civilian plane with 250 people on board for Christ sake. And, yeah, the Shah of Iran was our guy. He was essentially an autocrat and highly politically repressive. A bit corrupt as well. Iranians overthrew our guy and that made us angry.

SEE: Imperialism.

I'm not saying Iran has leaders that shouldn't be neutered, but let's not pretend that moral high ground is all ours.

We've been in a mostly cold war with Iran for a long time. All's fair in love and war, as they say.

Here is a fact-based, historically grounded list of major instances where the United States has directly caused death, destruction, or military harm to Iran (or inside Iranian territory) since the 1979 Iranian Revolution. I’ll keep it specific and avoid exaggeration—because the reality is serious enough without distortion.


Major U.S. actions causing death/destruction in Iran (since 1979)​

1. Support during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988)​

  • The U.S. did not fight Iran directly at first, but:
    • Provided intelligence and indirect support to Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
    • Helped tilt the balance in a war that killed over 1 million people total, with Iran suffering very heavy losses. (Encyclopedia Britannica)
👉 While the U.S. did not directly kill those people, its involvement is widely debated as contributing to the scale of destruction.


2. Operation Nimble Archer (1987)​

  • U.S. Navy destroyed two Iranian oil platforms
  • These were economic and military targets
  • No confirmed deaths, but major infrastructure destruction (Wikipedia)

3. Operation Praying Mantis (1988)​

  • Largest direct U.S.–Iran naval battle in history
  • U.S. forces:
    • Sank or crippled multiple Iranian ships
    • Destroyed offshore platforms
  • ~56 Iranian personnel killed (Wikipedia)

4. Iran Air Flight 655 shootdown (1988)​

  • U.S. warship shot down a civilian airliner
  • 290 civilians killed (including children) (Wikipedia)
👉 This is one of the deadliest single incidents directly caused by the U.S. against Iranians.


5. Sanctions (1979–present)​

  • Long-term U.S. sanctions have:
    • Severely impacted Iran’s economy
    • Restricted access to medicine, trade, and infrastructure
  • These are not direct killings, but are widely argued to contribute to:
    • Increased mortality
    • Economic hardship
👉 Exact death tolls are unknown and debated, and should not be stated as precise figures.


6. Covert and cyber operations (2000s–present)​

Examples include:

  • Cyberattacks like the Stuxnet virus targeting nuclear facilities
  • Assassination campaigns (often attributed to U.S. + allies)
👉 Effects:

  • Infrastructure damage
  • Some Iranian scientists killed (though responsibility is often shared or disputed)

7. Direct strikes in Iran (2020s–present escalation)​

2025–2026 U.S. strikes​

  • U.S. bombed Iranian nuclear-related sites in 2025 (HISTORY)

Ongoing 2026 conflict (recent reporting)​

  • Over 1,300 Iranian deaths reported in current war conditions (The Guardian)
  • Includes both military and civilian casualties

Example incident:​

  • U.S. strike on a school (2026):
    • ~165 civilians killed, many children (AP News)

Summary (verified, grounded)​

Direct U.S.-caused deaths (clearly documented)​

  • Iran Air Flight 655: 290 civilians
  • Operation Praying Mantis: ~56 military personnel
  • 2026 war (so far): 1000+ deaths (mixed causes, including U.S. strikes)

Destruction​

  • Oil platforms destroyed (1987)
  • Naval fleet damage (1988)
  • Nuclear and military infrastructure (2020s)
  • Economic system heavily impacted via sanctions

Important context (to keep this accurate)​

  • The U.S.–Iran conflict is mutual and ongoing, not one-sided:
    • Iran has also supported groups responsible for killing Americans and others
  • Many deaths attributed to “U.S. vs Iran” come from:
    • Proxy wars (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, etc.)
    • Not all are direct U.S. actions inside Iran itself

Here is only a partial record of the Iranian regime’s blood-soaked war on Americans:

  • November 1979: Iranian students, backed by the regime, seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran — taking 66 Americans hostage in a 444-day standoff .
  • April 1983: The Islamic Jihad, an Iran-backed terrorist group, carried out a suicide car bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 17 Americans.
  • October 1983: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 241 U.S. military personnel — including 220 U.S. Marines and 21 other service personnel — in a truck bombing at a Marine compound in Beirut.
  • March 1984: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists kidnapped CIA station chief William Buckley on his way to work in Beirut, ultimately killing him the following year.
  • September 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 23 innocent people — including two American service members — in a car bomb attack at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut.
  • December 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked Kuwait Airways Flight 221 en route to Pakistan, diverting it to Tehran — where they brutally tortured and killed two American officials.
  • June 1985: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked TWA Flight 847 on its way from Athens to Rome, torturing a U.S. Navy diver before shooting him point blank in the head and tossing his body onto the Beirut airport tarmac.
  • July 1989: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed U.S. Marine Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while serving with a United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon.
  • April 1995: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists killed eight people — including one American citizen — in a car bomb attack in the Gaza Strip.
  • August 1995: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing an American and three other passengers, and wounding more than 100 others.
 
I'd offer you may be too far in. Trump is paving the way at the present moment for the GOP to suffer irreparable damage. Of late, he has abandoned most of his campaign promises. He has time to correct it. But, it's not looking likely. He's turned his back on too much domestic need to go and bomb Iran without an end game. The oppressed Iranian citizens have yet to rise up and re-take their country, and likely won't. They've been conditioned and programmed for too long. It ain't going like he thought it would. My 3rd vote is not panning out as well as my first vote. Like I said in another post. He's great at moving on to the next shiny object and starting potentially beneficial projects. But, he no longer finishes any of them. I'm not anti Trump, but I am not blind either.
He's also treated our closest allies like sh*t while kowtowing to Putin all at the same time. Our next President will spend a great deal of time repairing that damage
 
My list was so long, VN said I couldn't put it in one post. Here's the rest of it:

  • February 1996: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up another bus in Jerusalem, killing three Americans and wounding three other Americans.
  • March 1996: A suicide bomber linked to the Iran-backed Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist groups killed 20 people — including two Americans — in a suicide bombing at a Tel Aviv shopping center.
  • May 1996: Iran-backed terrorists killed an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounded another American citizen in the West Bank.
  • June 1996: Iran-backed Hezbollah Al-Hijaz terrorists killed 19 U.S. Airmen and wounded nearly 500 others in a truck bombing at a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia.
  • September 1997: Iran-backed Hamas suicide bombers blew themselves up at a shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounding seven other American citizens.
  • August 1998: Al-Qaeda suicide bombers, facilitated by Iran-backed Hezbollah, simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people — including a dozen American citizens.
  • August 2001: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a Jerusalem pizzeria, killing three Americans.
  • January 2002: An Iran-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade terrorist killed an American-Israeli dual citizen in the West Bank.
  • July 2002: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist killed five Americans in a bombing at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
  • June 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber killed 17 people — including an American citizen — on a bus in Jerusalem.
  • October 2003: Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees terrorists killed three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.
  • Between 2003 and 2011: Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq — “roughly one in every six American combat fatalities in Iraq.”
  • August 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing five Americans and wounding one other American.
  • August 2006: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed American citizen and Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier Michael Levin during the Second Lebanon War — the only American to die in the conflict.
  • January 2007: A dozen men affiliated with Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force killed five U.S. soldiers and wounded three others in Karbala, Iraq, after disguising themselves as U.S. soldiers and entering the Provincial Joint Coordination Center.
  • March 2007: Former FBI Agent Robert Levinson disappeared in Iran, likely dying in an Iranian prison.
  • July 2014: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed two American citizens serving in the IDF.
  • October 2015: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed an American citizen and his wife in a drive-by shooting in the West Bank.
  • December 2019: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed an American civilian contractor and wounded several U.S. service members in a rocket attack at K1 Air Base in Kirkuk, Iraq.
  • January 2020: 109 U.S. troops suffered traumatic brain injuries in an Iranian ballistic missile attack on the Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq.
  • September 2020: U.S. intelligence indicated the Iranian regime was considering a plot to assassinate the U.S. Ambassador to South Africa.
  • February 2021: An Iran-backed militia fired a rocket at coalition forces in Erbil, Iraq, wounding a U.S. service member and four U.S. civilian contractors.
  • July 2021: Iranian-backed militias wounded two U.S. service members in a series of rocket and drone attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria.
  • September 2022: An Iranian rocket attack killed an American citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan.
  • November 2022: An IRGC captain orchestrated the killing of an American citizen in Baghdad.
  • March 2023: An Iranian drone attack killed an American contractor and wounded five U.S. service members and another contractor in a strike on a coalition base in Syria.
  • October 2023: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed 46 Americans and kidnapped at least 12 Americans in the October 7th massacre.
  • December 2023: Iran-backed militias wounded three U.S. service members in an attack on Erbil Air Base in Iraq.
  • January 2024: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed three U.S. service members and wounded more than 40 other service members in a drone attack against the Tower 22 military base in Jordan.
  • Between October 2023 and November 2024: Iran and its proxies conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East, wounding more than 180 U.S. service members and killing three service members.
  • November 2024: An Iranian national and IRGC asset was charged for plotting to assassinate President Trump.
  • June 2025: Iran-backed militias attacked at least three U.S. bases in Syria and two U.S. bases in Iraq.
 
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Weird. I thought their navy was destroyed.
The already-destroyed navy that still needs bombing is the reason why our president is passive-aggressively soliciting from allies, trade partners, and geopolitical rivals military cooperation that we have absolutely no need of.
 
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He's also treated our closest allies like sh*t while kowtowing to Putin all at the same time. Our next President will spend a great deal of time repairing that damage
Plus the 4 years of Biden not knowing which ally was even in the room, and whatever damage Obama may or may not have done. It ain't good overall.

I think the proper foreign policy for now would be, if you need something give me a call and we'll talk. no offense, but we got some housekeeping to do.
 
F you Hogg. I'm no Iranian sympathizer.

Truth matters to me. And our best aircraft carrier leaving the battle because it can't wash clothes... does that make sense to you, partner?

Yes, it makes perfect sense. Half the damn toilets don't work and it's got fresh water problems, the fire is just the straw that broke the camels back. Plus the crew has been at sea for almost a year, that's a long deployment.

You may not be an Iranian sympathizer but I have no doubt that you would celebrate one of our boats getting hit for no other reason than it would be a black eye for Trump.
 
80% of Iranians support regime change. We should be able to accomplish something with numbers like that. Hell, we had far more than 20% supporting King George when we fought the Revolutionary War
Bit of a "Lead a horse to water" thing going on. One could make a pretty good argument there may not be another window like this in their lifetime...doesn't mean they're willing to en masse go into harms way to get it done. Otherwise it'd basically take a military backed coup and who knows how "people friendly" that would turn out to be.
 
Bit of a "Lead a horse to water" thing going on. One could make a pretty good argument there may not be another window like this in their lifetime...doesn't mean they're willing to en masse go into harms way to get it done. Otherwise it'd basically take a military backed coup and who knows how "people friendly" that would turn out to be.

It's going to take a chunk of the regular Iranian Army to decide they've had enough and lead the coup.
 
Anyone else shocked regime change from bombing the **** out of a country won't work? Anyone? Anyone? I mean unless you use Nukes. Pipe down Newt

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Not when it's not coordinated with and in-country end game. Can't just wake up one morning and push the button over coffee. didn't work for Obama. Hasn't worked even remotely well for the CIA. Won't work for Trump.
 
80% of Iranians support regime change. We should be able to accomplish something with numbers like that. Hell, we had far more than 20% supporting King George when we fought the Revolutionary War

~72,000,000 unarmed civilians, zerging the ~18,000,000 who have all of the military hardware, is not a sound strategy, no matter how many times Israel suggests it.
 

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