Iran

[utvolpj]

People just lying for fun. Even our officials said it was a Tomahawk

Just the regular America last dems on here. Disgusting individuals

So which one do you believe? Why had the DoW not come out to definitively prove it wasn't ours?

 

[utvolpj]

The truth is we can’t know for sure. You’re telling me the same government that slaughtered 30k of its own citizens, wouldn’t strike its own school with a missile they “don’t operate” to garner support from the citizens? Who’s to say what they can operate and can’t operate? Especially when their country is being bombarded

The US govt knows for sure. Hard to believe that Iran could pull off an attack in such coordination with a US attack

 

[CobbVol]

Not per that article.

Look in the embedded MSNOW link that this partisan article is based on.

 

[05_never_again]

If the people drilling the oil were responsible for the price gouging, they wouldn’t care about the American stock market. But it’s not the Middle East who is gouging us. It’s the people who own the ships and the refineries.

They know when they’re going to create hard times and good times and can beat us on Wall Street at the same time.

Oh, you're one of those "companies decided to be greedy today but they weren't greedy yesterday and that's why prices were lower" guys.

Also, many of the companies who own the refineries are also the ones drilling for oil.

 

[rikberry31]

The psy-op is strong in you. You’re probably right. The billionaires are all working towards your benefit.

You asked why the price oil fluctuates. That's like asking why do plane have to land when they run out of fuel.

 

[MontyPython]

First off do you really think $50 drones are a threat to the USS Gerald Ford carrier group? To unarmed civilian ships yes, US combat vessels no. In fact the Greeks have already sent a couple tankers through.

You underestimate the Iranian weaponry. To date, the US has had easy sailing. Dropping bombs from 50K feet allows that. Dealing with the threats up close and personal around Hormuz... likely not so easy. Not saying we won't ultimately counter their threat, just it won't be so simple and may result in casualties.

Iran has developed a range of asymmetric naval weapons specifically intended to threaten ships operating in the Strait of Hormuz, including vessels from the United States Navy. These systems emphasize area denial, surprise attacks, and saturation tactics rather than conventional fleet combat.

Below is an overview of the main categories of Iranian weapons often cited by defense analysts as threats to naval ships in that region.

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Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles (ASCMs)​

These missiles can be launched from coastal batteries, ships, aircraft, or trucks, allowing Iran to target vessels throughout the narrow strait.

Examples:

• Noor – Based on the Chinese C-802; range ~120–170 km.
• Qader – Improved version with ~200 km range.
• Khalij Fars – A ballistic missile designed to hit moving ships at long range.
• Nasr‑1 – Shorter-range missile for smaller vessels and coastal units.

Why they matter:
The Strait is narrow (~21 miles wide at its narrowest), so land-based missiles could cover most of the shipping lanes.

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Naval Mines​

Iran is believed to possess thousands of naval mines, from simple contact mines to more advanced influence mines.

Common types include:

• Contact mines (explode when a ship touches them)
• Magnetic mines (triggered by ship magnetic signature)
• Acoustic mines (triggered by propeller noise)
• Bottom influence mines

These could be deployed by:

• Small boats
• Submarines
• Merchant vessels

Why they matter:
Mines are relatively cheap but extremely disruptive, potentially forcing large-scale mine-clearing operations.

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Fast Attack Craft and Swarming Boats​

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy specializes in swarm tactics using many small boats attacking simultaneously.

Typical features:

• High-speed craft (40–50+ knots)
• Rockets or anti-ship missiles
• Heavy machine guns or torpedoes
• Suicide boat capability (in theory)

Why they matter:
Large warships can be overwhelmed by multiple simultaneous close-range attacks.

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Submarines and Underwater Threats​

Iran operates several types of submarines capable of operating in shallow Gulf waters.

Examples:

• Ghadir-class submarine – Small subs optimized for shallow waters and mine-laying.
• Fateh-class submarine – More modern indigenous design.
• Kilo-class submarine – Larger submarines capable of torpedoes and mines.

Why they matter:
Shallow, cluttered waters make submarine detection more difficult.

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Armed Drones (UAVs)​

Iran has developed numerous UAVs that could be used against ships.

Examples:

• Shahed‑136 – A “kamikaze” drone.
• Shahed‑129 – Capable of carrying guided munitions.

Why they matter:
Drones can be used for:

• Surveillance and targeting
• Saturation attacks
• Coordinating missile strikes

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Summary:
Iran’s strategy in the Strait of Hormuz focuses on asymmetric warfare—using missiles, mines, drones, small boats, and submarines to threaten larger naval forces and commercial shipping rather than matching them ship-for-ship.

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If you want, I can also explain how the U.S. Navy typically counters these threats in the Strait of Hormuz (defensive systems, tactics, and escorts).

 

[85SugarVol]

There's an absolute ocean of difference between support for IRGC/Hezbollah/Hamas and distaste for starting a war and killing civilians half a world away. Get TF out of the middle east and stay out. Id be happy to never be involved over there again. Israel can get bent.

I’m fine with that.

But you can’t shriek when Israel goes scorched earth on its neighbors.

Deal?

 

[MontyPython]

Why did oil increase anyway? Raising the price doesn’t increase its availability. Plastics and motor oils aren’t increasing in price, and they’re all obtained during the same refining process.

Why does it ever increase or decrease?

Supply and demand.

 

[adam.vol]

Oh, you're one of those "companies decided to be greedy today but they weren't greedy yesterday and that's why prices were lower" guys.

Also, many of the companies who own the refineries are also the ones drilling for oil.

Yes. I’m one of those “the CIA and Mossad control almost everything about our government and the only time something improves is when something else is taken away” guys.

You keep voting for one of two candidates from parties who are open about rigging primaries and tell yourself all is well. I’m done being confused about why things always seem to work against the taxpayers.

 

[adam.vol]

You asked why the price oil fluctuates. That's like asking why do plane have to land when they run out of fuel.

I gave you an example of something directly related to the price of gasoline that does not fluctuate and you completely ignored it to come to a conclusion that doesn’t make sense.

That’s like asking why a plane isn’t flying when it’s inside the hanger.

 

[MontyPython]

I wonder... would those in charge covertly buy commodity options on the one hand, then intentionally lie on the other hand to manipulate oil markets and make a quick buck.... NAAAAAHHHHH. No way.

Trump admin is squeaky clean!

• Secretary of Energy Chris Wright wrongly claimed in a social media post that the U.S. Navy had successfully escorted a tanker through the Strait of Hormuz.
• “The U.S. Navy has not escorted a tanker or a vessel at this time,” White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters Tuesday.
• Oil prices fell sharply after Wright’s post.
• Oil traffic through the critical Strait has been severely disrupted as oil shippers fear attacks by Iran, keeping ships at anchor.

 

[adam.vol]

Supply and demand.

So are the other byproducts of oil refinery increasing and decreasing? Are the wheel taxes increasing?

 

[n_huffhines]

Just had my usual solving-world-problems lunch with guys from work - we noticed that marine traffic was all heading into the strait of Hormuz. Everything that had been at anchor toward the south was underway. So some sort of local decision had been taken to convoy through.

I realize this thread is really just for hating, but if you wanted to make any opinions of your own, there's a simple development for ya.

marinetraffic.com

God bless you for the positivity as we navigate this cluster****

We did it guys. Marine traffic is headed into the strait!

 

[n_huffhines]

Why did oil increase anyway? Raising the price doesn’t increase its availability. Plastics and motor oils aren’t increasing in price, and they’re all obtained during the same refining process.

Why does it ever increase or decrease?

Yes it does. It's the invisible hand. External conditions threaten us with shortages, and we raise prices wich changes behavior, and it all gets allocated to the places willing to pay the new price. If we didn't see the price surge, usage doesn't change and then we see shortages.

 

[rikberry31]

I’m fine with that.

But you can’t shriek when Israel goes scorched earth on its neighbors.

Deal?

Honestly, Most of Iran's equipment is hot garbage, mostly Russian and Chinese crap. Their Chinese air defenses were so good that the did last a day and failed to shoot down one plane. It is the insurance companies are closing the strait, and if they keep messing around they will lose they clients to us. Trump is going to give the tankers USAA.

 

[adam.vol]

Yes it does. It's the invisible hand. External conditions threaten us with shortages, and we raise prices wich changes behavior, and it all gets allocated to the places willing to pay the new price. If we didn't see the price surge, usage doesn't change and then we see shortages.

So who is cutting back production based on the cost of gasoline and diesel, because I can’t tell.

 

[MAD]

Yes. I’m one of those “the CIA and Mossad control almost everything about our government and the only time something improves is when something else is taken away” guys.

You keep voting for one of two candidates from parties who are open about rigging primaries and tell yourself all is well. I’m done being confused about why things always seem to work against the taxpayers.

A huge part of intelligence and educating others is knowing when something is out of your league and when you are not properly informed to speak on something, let alone trying to educate others. Know your limitations.

Same energy as your posts.

 

[OrangeTsar]

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Your „response“ has absolutely zero logical connection to the discussion but merely constitutes an extremely milquetoast ad hominem attack.
I know you are capable of doing better.

 

[rikberry31]

I gave you an example of something directly related to the price of gasoline that does not fluctuate and you completely ignored it to come to a conclusion that doesn’t make sense.

That’s like asking why a plane isn’t flying when it’s inside the hanger.

Oil is one of the most elastic commodities. Infinitely more than clothing or plastic so they are not comparable..

 

[FortSanders]

Nice Guys, these Mullahs of Iran. This is about the latest king in Iran and his followers.

Khamenei’s son and successor, the Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei, 56, has neither his father’s experience nor Khomeini’s pedigree. His ascent marks the collapse of the last egalitarian pillar of the revolution, namely that the mullahs, unlike decadent Persian shahs, don’t do dynastic succession. With Mojtaba, the revolution has come full circle. Even without regime change, monarchy has returned to Iran.

He was first outted as the supreme leader’s son, when a cleric complained "in both 2005 and 2009 about Mojtaba Khamenei’s role in manipulating the presidential elections on behalf of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...

Mojtaba is part of the reactionary wing of Iranian politics. He belongs to the so-called war generation—men who didn’t lead the revolution but tested their mettle in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. By volunteering in the latter years of the conflict, he checked an important box for would-be leaders of the divine republic. (He probably did not see action.)

As the regime matured, they developed a taste for material wealth. Corruption came as easily to them as piety did. One of the hardest things Westerners—and Westernized Iranians—have to absorb about the Islamic Republic, and Islamic history in general, is that the friction between faith and worldly acquisitiveness is less than one might expect. Unlike Christianity, Islam didn’t begin as a faith for the downtrodden. The VIPs in the IRGC and the clergy are usually well-heeled. Mojtaba Khamenei is a wealthy man.

In the turbulent politics of the Islamic Republic, violence and terror have always been a means of political control. But Mojtaba’s generation of militants has faced more popular insurrections as the revolution has lost much of its luster. Even in the context of Iran’s ruthless politics, this generation shows a particular attachment to terrorism. Violence is the mandatory response to those seeking to undermine the regime. The recent uprising demonstrated the lengths to which this generation will go to preserve God’s will manifested.

Iran’s theocracy hasn’t undergone such stress since the last year of the Iran–Iraq war, when the Iranian front line collapsed. In the face of adversity, an inexperienced leader will lean on those who share his grievances and worldview. He will need time to consolidate his power, as even his bureaucratically agile father took several years to establish his political hegemony.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/mojtaba-khamenei-brings-monarchy-back-to-iran-da2be975?mod=hp_opin_pos_6

 

[05_never_again]

So are the other byproducts of oil refinery increasing and decreasing? Are the wheel taxes increasing?

Yep.

 

[OrangeTsar]

A huge part of intelligence and educating others is knowing when something is out of your league and when you are not properly informed to speak on something, let alone trying to educate others. Know your limitations.

Same energy as your posts.

Hatred of the Jews is mankind’s oldest mind virus and it remains as virulent as ever. And if the Bible is to believed , prophecy says that it will lead to the battle that ends history.

 

[05_never_again]

Yes. I’m one of those “the CIA and Mossad control almost everything about our government and the only time something improves is when something else is taken away” guys.

You keep voting for one of two candidates from parties who are open about rigging primaries and tell yourself all is well. I’m done being confused about why things always seem to work against the taxpayers.

You have no idea who I voted for.

 

[rikberry31]

I’m fine with that.

But you can’t shriek when Israel goes scorched earth on its neighbors.

Deal?

Every lib would lose there everloving minds if we didn't restrain Israel. At the same time they wouldn't utter a peep if we bombed Israel. What their real problem is that the left hates Israel and they hate the United States of America.

 

[n_huffhines]

So who is cutting back production based on the cost of gasoline and diesel, because I can’t tell.

Demand moves faster than supply. It takes the producers time to adjust. It's possible that things are restored without the supply chain ever being disrupted in a significant way. All of this is a reaction to world events and this is how you prevent a shortage. We don't wait until it gets here and then react.