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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Considering they never deposed the current regime despite Israel and the US egging them on I would presume they prefer their current state of affairs to the pillaging of their country by western oil companies. And don't act like they couldn't do it if they wanted to because they deposed the Shah and he had the backing of the West. While the current regime is basically being attacked by every power nation in the world outside of China and Russia (who aren't even overtly supporting them).
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Jimmy Carter put the current regime in power because he was a commie. You are high if you think that the average Iranian prefers the current state of affairs. They are dancing in the streets for God's sake over them being wiped out.
Also it is very telling that the Ayatollahs only friends are the Russians and the Chinese, even the other Middle East Muslim countries hate them.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Buddy Iran did not create the infrastructure to get the oil. They seized it without compensating the people who did. Stealing by the government is still stealing.
When a coyote is getting after your livestock you shoot them, no matter the reason they are doing it.
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You also don't build a hen house in the middle of a coyote den and then blame them for taking your chickens.
 
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rikberry31 said:
They don't have the right to steal others property, that is what nationalization is. Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Cuba, China, Venezuela, all the same. The only people who benefit from socialism are the tyrannical dictators and their cronies.
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And the US citizens who pay into Social Security.

And the US farmers who received farm subsidies though USAID and other programs.

And US school kids that received free school lunch through the NSLP.

And the US oil and gas industry that is subsidized by the federal government.

And US pharmaceutical companies that have had their research costs subsidized by the federal government.

And US corporations and banks that received bailouts from the federal government.

And US corporations that Trump purchased an outright ownership stake in for the federal government.

I'm probably forgetting some here, but I'm sure someone will remind me.
 
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What’s everyone’s thoughts here. I do not know Sanchez or if he has delivered on anything that he says.

I do however believe that Iran is showing with their ineptness to defend or retaliate, that once again they were not a real threat. Again, leave “your team” out of it. Is Sanchez wrong?
 
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McDad said:
Speaking only for myself, on our way back from NO, McRib was scrolling her FB. There was a video of someone "warning" of the spike in gas prices. He was doing it in a way that seemed like he was cautioning everyone to make proper preparations. I rhetorically asked McRib, what are we supposed to do? Buy a 500 gallon tank and stock up on gas?
Gas costs what it costs. I pay what it costs. If I don't want to pay, I do my best to drive less.
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I hear you. I'm the same way (and hell, I drive way less than most).

However, there are people in lower income brackets than both of us who worry a lot more than the extent of "well, it costs what it costs."

Example: between corporate pizza delivery chains and door dash, we have over 1.5 million people delivering food for a living. I'd wager it comes down to more than "it is what it is" for them. A paycheck to paycheck lifestyle will murder you if gas spikes 35% in a week, only to slowly trickle back down over several months.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I hear you. I'm the same way (and hell, I drive way less than most).

However, there are people in lower income brackets than both of us who worry a lot more than the extent of "well, it costs what it costs."

Example: between corporate pizza delivery chains and door dash, we have over 1.5 million people delivering food for a living. I'd wager it comes down to more than "it is what it is" for them.
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I agree. I can absorb the fluctuations. But back to the question to LG, this is the pattern for gas prices. What are we supposed to discuss? Big oil opportunistically sticking it to us? The corporate retailers sticking it to us?

Perhaps there aren't any posters here who deliver food for a living and that's why the convo didn't gain traction.
 
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McDad said:
Actually they do if that country has decided that there is no personal property.
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What if your county or neighborhood decided that there is no personal property and seized your property, you would probably be ok with that right? What about a country (Germany) that decides that Europe is their property, that's cool right?
No, somebody takes your shite and you kick their azz. Talk to me when it is your stuff being stolen.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
What’s everyone’s thoughts here. I do not know Sanchez or if he has delivered on anything that he says.

I do however believe that Iran is showing with their ineptness to defend or retaliate, that once again they were not a real threat. Again, leave “your team” out of it. Is Sanchez wrong?
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I already don’t like this guy for having a Buccees flag on the stage.
 
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rikberry31 said:
What if your county or neighborhood decided that there is no personal property and seized your property, you would probably be ok with that right? What about a country (Germany) that decides that Europe is their property, that's cool right?
No, somebody takes your shite and you kick their azz. Talk to me when it is your stuff being stolen.
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the error in your thought process is how I would feel about it. You have rights in this country that are inalienable. Rights bestowed by God. Not all countries assign rights that way. Many assign rights based on what the state bestows.

In those countries, you may not have any (or limited) possessions. Should you live in those countries, you wouldn't have a legal or moral reason to kick azz.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
You also don't build a hen house in the middle of a coyote den and then blame them for taking your chickens.
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I have a farm that is in coyote country and I and my neighbors shoot them any chance we get. The West made Iran wealthy, when you hire a contractor you can't just not pay them after they build your house.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I hear you. I'm the same way (and hell, I drive way less than most).

However, there are people in lower income brackets than both of us who worry a lot more than the extent of "well, it costs what it costs."

Example: between corporate pizza delivery chains and door dash, we have over 1.5 million people delivering food for a living. I'd wager it comes down to more than "it is what it is" for them. A paycheck to paycheck lifestyle will murder you if gas spikes 35% in a week, only to slowly trickle back down over several months.
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Dude it's not just the lower income brackets that feel it when gas prices rise. Try filling up an 80 gallon tank at the marina every couple weekends, it's brutal.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And the US citizens who pay into Social Security.

And the US farmers who received farm subsidies though USAID and other programs.

And US school kids that received free school lunch through the NSLP.

And the US oil and gas industry that is subsidized by the federal government.

And US pharmaceutical companies that have had their research costs subsidized by the federal government.

And US corporations and banks that received bailouts from the federal government.

And US corporations that Trump purchased an outright ownership stake in for the federal government.

I'm probably forgetting some here, but I'm sure someone will remind me.
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So your telling me that I couldn't do better investing my FICA tax on my own. Social Security was just a means for the government to get a hold of a lot of Americans wealth, it is the biggest slush fund in the history of the world. If they let me keep the money and invest it on my own, I would be working for fun not waiting for some poverty check. Good thing I am not counting on that.
 
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rikberry31 said:
So your telling me that I couldn't do better investing my FICA tax on my own. Social Security was just a means for the government to get a hold of a lot of Americans wealth, it is the biggest slush fund in the history of the world. If they let me keep the money and invest it on my own, I would be working for fun not waiting for some poverty check. Good thing I am not counting on that.
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I'm telling you that like most Americans, you love "socialism" when it's you, someone else, or a corporation that you want to see the get the benefit.

It's just a dirty word when you want to smear the other side.
 
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rikberry31 said:
I have a farm that is in coyote country and I and my neighbors shoot them any chance we get. The West made Iran wealthy, when you hire a contractor you can't just not pay them after they build your house.
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The problem was that the west didn't make Iran wealthy, they made the royal family and the landed gentry wealthy. That set the stage for Mosaddegh's socialist reforms.
 
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McDad said:
I agree. I can absorb the fluctuations. But back to the question to LG, this is the pattern for gas prices. What are we supposed to discuss? Big oil opportunistically sticking it to us? The corporate retailers sticking it to us?

Perhaps there aren't any posters here who deliver food for a living and that's why the convo didn't gain traction.
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That was just an example. Like I said, I'd wager most of us here aren't kept up at night about it because most of us are self sustaining men above the age of 35 with enough free time to make milk puns amidst a uniquely shaky time in the geopolitical landscape. The doomsday clock is 85 seconds to midnight (the closest to such since the creation of the doomsday clock) and we're not collectively freaking out.


What I took from his point is that we took military action that would, with utmost certainty, spike gas prices in a time when the economy isn't exactly holding a cup flowing over the brim with prosperity. We can't get a rock solid answer as to why it needed to be done right now.
 
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McDad said:
the error in your thought process is how I would feel about it. You have rights in this country that are inalienable. Rights bestowed by God. Not all countries assign rights that way. Many assign rights based on what the state bestows.

In those countries, you may not have any (or limited) possessions. Should you live in those countries, you wouldn't have a legal or moral reason to kick azz.
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The bottom line is that it is wrong to make an agreement and sign a contract and then renege, I don't care what your human rights laws are or your morale code.
The Japanese believed they had a right to all of East Asia, we disagreed and kicked their azz.
 
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