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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Its what the Google AI said not me. Our most advanced carrier was placed near Israel to show Iran we were gonna prioritize protecting Israel.
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This is why you shouldn't take what AI says as gospel. Those of us who were following that recruitment remember Witfong only saying we were the leader at the very end. Before that he was giving Ohio State and Georgia the driver's seat in that recruitment.
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BeardedVol said:
And the US citizens who pay into Social Security.

And the US farmers who received farm subsidies though USAID and other programs.

And US school kids that received free school lunch through the NSLP.

And the US oil and gas industry that is subsidized by the federal government.

And US pharmaceutical companies that have had their research costs subsidized by the federal government.

And US corporations and banks that received bailouts from the federal government.

And US corporations that Trump purchased an outright ownership stake in for the federal government.

I'm probably forgetting some here, but I'm sure someone will remind me.
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At least half of these are not the great examples you think they are.

In fact your list is riddled with examples of double dipping/price gouging and abject corruption.
 
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hog88 said:
The problem was that the west didn't make Iran wealthy, they made the royal family and the landed gentry wealthy. That set the stage for Mosaddegh's socialist reforms.
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Ask the average Iranian if they are better off today. Iran was the most prosperous and educated country in the Middle East.
 
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KB5252 said:
At least half of these are not the great examples you think they are.

In fact your list is riddled with examples of double dipping/price gouging and abject corruption.
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Socialism is actually fantastic if your people don't have to pay for it and are relatively homogenous in terms of population.

We Americans have subsidized it in Europe and other parts of the world for years.
 
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rikberry31 said:
Ask the average Iranian if they are better off today. Iran was the most prosperous and educated country in the Middle East.
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That's an entirely different subject, of course they are not any better off today. I'm just explaining how the western oil companies set the stage for the pre-Reza Pahlavi era socialist reforms in Iran.
 
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KB5252 said:
At least half of these are not the great examples you think they are.

In fact your list is riddled with examples of double dipping/price gouging and abject corruption.
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I went to two USAID events in my DC time and immediately ****ed off when I realized 100% of their presentations were about the size of the projects (in $) with nothing about compliance or success and that our company wouldn't fit that culture, despite having plenty of successful development-ish work. It is/was a revolving door between agency and "industry" and when you have basically five companies eating up all the work (including monitoring and evaluation) all you end up with is a corrupt circlejerk of back-patting and turning the other way.

You have to be a media-slupring idiot to think USAID has done any measurable good anywhere. And that's just one example he provided.
 
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KB5252 said:
I have an idea, post the link so I and others here can take a look. In every other instance I've seen similar allegations made the links were bogus. Not saying this is, but I've yet to see anything credible.

Now as far as allegations go they are that, it has to be determined if they are credible. I can go to the FBI years ago and tell them D4H was diddling kids and eating them and there it would be in black and white.

So in short I'm asking you to provide links because the rabbit holes I've been down prior weren't worth the time.
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Doing your homework is dead for most of these people, in Google they trust.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
My exact words.

I posted more than a week ago that I hoped the transition went quickly same as Iraq from:

Tomahawks>Stealth Aircraft> regular aircraft
As smoothly as possible with no boots on the ground in Iran and no attempt at nation building. So far, so good. Now that all the SAM sites and AAA are smoking holes in the ground, Israel and US conventional aircraft are destroying targets at will...and its been reported that Saudi and the other Gulf nations that have been attacked with drones and cruise missiles will begin their own airstrikes soon. Gonna be crowded skies over Iran...need to have great communication to avoid friendly fire incidents.
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If you’re an Iranian Air Force pilot I don’t know how you decide to get in that airplane and take off. I guess you follow orders, I would claim malfunction and eject as soon as I got airborne, if I was even able to take off
 
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lawgator1 said:
Gas went up 18 cents overnight in Florida. If Iran turns and this ends by Friday, how many months will it take for prices to return to where they were ?

#collusion#rigged
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You know what runs on gasoline?

US Postal Trucks. Higher prices means fewer gassed up trucks. Fewer gassed trucks means delayed delivery. Won’t be long before we see a degradation in service.

Coincidence? I think not.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
What’s everyone’s thoughts here. I do not know Sanchez or if he has delivered on anything that he says.

I do however believe that Iran is showing with their ineptness to defend or retaliate, that once again they were not a real threat. Again, leave “your team” out of it. Is Sanchez wrong?
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I think once the decision was made to strike (right or wrong) that the regime cannot be allowed to stay in power. Based on both past threats and actions along with actions it took against it's neighbors targeting civilian infrastructure.

Since the decision was made to attack we more of or less owe it to the people of Iran the right to a chance at self determination.

Spain can do as they wish, but they have fallen short of NATO obligations for some time. And while they have participated with military support in the past there is division within the country, mainly the fractioned political parties and their allegiances and post Franco they have been reluctant to increase military spending and support. In short Spain has internal issues.
 
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hog88 said:
So does that mean the Kuwaiti pilot gets to call himself an ACE?
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YankeeVol said:
Listen, I'm not saying the pilot should shoot down two more of our planes.

I'm just saying he has the opportunity to get the funniest Ace status ever.
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You think he’s gonna put 3 Eagle kill markings on the side of his plane?
 
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rikberry31 said:
The bottom line is that it is wrong to make an agreement and sign a contract and then renege, I don't care what your human rights laws are or your morale code.
The Japanese believed they had a right to all of East Asia, we disagreed and kicked their azz.
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That point expands the conversation beyond the impetus for my reply to you. My comment was, at its heart, an acknowledgement that our structure and reason for our rights is special. Not only special in the world currently but in all of history.
 
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